Gay Porn

[Zanthorus]

Let's start this thread off with a simple question that I'd be interested in people's answers to, if they could provide them - Do you actually find gay porn sexually stimulating?

(Question is obviously directed towards gay and bisexual male users but straight guys who get off on that kind of thing and gals of all orientations with experience in this area can discuss too)

The reason is I ask is because, most of the time, I don't. And this was really confusing at first because I'm a guy who likes guys, and it felt logical that I should be right in the target audience for gay porn. But it seems like the majority of gay porn consists of butch over-muscled 'macho' guys having sex with one another, and personally I find those types of bodies disgusting and repulsive. I actually had a bit of a period where I thought I might not actually be bi just because I couldn't enjoy most gay porn I saw.

I know I'm not the only person who doesn't really like gay porn that much either, I've talked to at least a couple of other gay/bi guys who weren't all that into it. In fact I haven't talked to anyone so far whose had anything really positive to say about it. So I'm curious as to whether there actually is a huge subset of gay guys who buy into this stuff, or if there are more people like me who'd rather watch that cute guy from physics getting freaky :blushing:

I'm asking the question here because there is kind of an 'identity' related issue here, in that gay porn seems to promote the idea that what gay men really want is aggressive caricatures of masculinity. I thought about writing something just trashing gay porn straight off but I think the question format is probably more appropriate because I don't want to go in all guns blazing and find out I'm in the minority when it comes to not being aroused by this stuff.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

It's nice.

[Tim Cornelis]

Are you sexually attracted at all to males? Maybe you're only romantically attracted to males and not sexually. If that's the case maybe you're homoromantic instead of a homosexual.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I never liked (gay) porn. It all seemed very fake and forced, no idea how anyone was supposed to derive pleasure from such false intimacy. But that is just my opinion.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

I never liked (gay) porn. It all seemed very fake and forced, no idea how anyone was supposed to derive pleasure from such false intimacy. But that is just my opinion.

That's what it's like with all kinds of porn, though.

[Yuppie Grinder]

I don't like pornography, but gay porn is usually less gross than straight porn from my experience.
If you don't find gay porn actors attractive that doesn't say anything about your sexuality other than that you don't have awful taste.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Gay porn tends to be boring and unappealing to me, just like straight porn (I am a bisexual). And I like muscular guys (moderately muscular, not steroid addled brutes with muscles the size of a cow); it's just that it depicts the same sort of situations in the same sequence. At least it doesn't degrade the participants as much as straight porn does.

If you find men attractive in real life, well, then you're attracted to men. It's that simple.

[Zanthorus]

Are you sexually attracted at all to males? Maybe you're only romantically attracted to males and not sexually. If that's the case maybe you're homoromantic instead of a homosexual.

I like girls too so I couldn't be homosexual either way. But yes I have sexual thoughts about and sometimes interactions with other guys. I just like guys with normal body types.

To clarify I'm not questioning anything about my sexuality in this thread. I'm as sure of being bi as I am of anything. I just brought that episode up as a way of questioning whether these images are really healthy images.

[Philo]

I don't think it's all that unusual to not be attracted to the versions of masculinity found in most gay porn, at least that's the way I feel. Some porn does it for me, but most falls flat.

I personally derive a lot more pleasure from imagination. :blushing:

[Rurkel]

Yeah, I don't think that not finding a certain "hawt" stereotypical type attractive doesn't mean that you're not gay.

[Sasha]

just have a look around for a genre that suits you, you have to dig little bit deeper but with some effort gay erotica can be as diverse as the straight stuff.
how many straight ppl really dont like the fake blond with fake tits and all shaved stuff even when that seems the norm at first glance...

[Zanthorus]

Well I don't know really know what subgenres of gay erotica there are apart from twink stuff. That is a bit more my style I guess, though the body thing kind of bothers me again but in the opposite direction, a lot of those guys look like they're starving themselves (Though to be fair I eat fairly regularly and I still only weight about 110lbs). And I don't mind more masculine looking guys, I just don't want them to look like freaks.

[GPDP]

Not a gay guy, but all I can tell you is, look harder. There is so much erotic material out on the internet that you're always bound to find something that will appeal to you, whether it's straight or gay, in picture, video, written, or even drawn forms, tame, kinky, downright fucking weird, etc.

I know I don't like regular straight porn. My tastes are pretty all over the place. You just need to go deeper sometimes. You may be slightly horrified at what you may end up finding arousing, though. :D

[Sasha]

There is a whole subgenre of "alternative/punk" boys, I know because friends of mine made some money there... Maybe instead of "gay porn" look for "queer art" or something

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I like cute boys with long hair, I don't want no muscle'd bald heads in my porn. That's why I mostly have japanese porn. The only western that was any half-way nice to look at I found after I saw someone had called the porn I was downloading "emo", so I searched for that-- :blushing:

[Quail]

The small amount of (straight) porn I've watched doesn't do anything at all, possibly because it's a) aimed at men and b) really contrived, almost hilariously so. My friend put on gay (male) porn one time which was equally terrible. I haven't watched lesbian porn (that is actually aimed at lesbians/bi women) so I can't comment on that. I just use my imagination. I think that a lot of people in porn in general are very "stereotypically" attractive. I like men too, but I don't really find conventionally muscular manly men very attractive, and likewise I don't think that fake breasts and no pubic hair is an attractive look on a woman. It's okay not to find people who are "stereotypically" attractive attractive, because it's an artificial, airbrushed and unrealistic (possibly even unattainable) look.

Blegh, worst articulated post ever, sorry.

[Brutus]

Different strokes for different folks

[Clarion]

I very rarely find any gay porn that I find watchable, but then the same is true of the majority of porn aimed at straight men. I suspect the issue may well be the comparative audience size -- sturgeon's law applies but there's just alot less gay porn and so fewer counter-examples are around to be found.

Another problem is that gay porn tends to be produced in a much narrower set of genres that I just don't find appealing.

A further problem is that I just don't find any of the male stereotypes typically used in gay porn appealing.

[Profunc]

@OP

There's a lot more sexual orientations than just straight, homosexual, and bisexual. There's many. Stereotypes viewable in the gay pornography trade would just be whatever films appeal to the majority, because they bring in the most cash, and take the least amount of skill to concoct.

There's not too much homoromantic porn out there. :blushing:

[Questionable]

Porn in general both bores and disgusts me. I'm not gay, but even pornography designed for straight men is revolting to me. The whole thing reeks of...I don't know, oppression I guess. I just imagine behind the scenes nobody is enjoying it at all and they all just want to get paid and leave.

[GPDP]

Porn in general both bores and disgusts me. I'm not gay, but even pornography designed for straight men is revolting to me. The whole thing reeks of...I don't know, oppression I guess. I just imagine behind the scenes nobody is enjoying it at all and they all just want to get paid and leave.

I dunno, Billy Herrington looks like he loves his career a bit too much.

[Leftsolidarity]

I watch gay porn from time to time but the vast majority of the time it's heterosexual porn. I don't find most gay porn enjoyable because my taste in men usually isn't what is depicted in porn and I also feel more romantically attracted to men than sexually so just watching 2 buff dudes rail each other doesn't really do much for me.

When I was first coming to terms with my sexuality that was strange for me cuz it made me question how I actually felt.

Kind of stupid to me in retrospect to try to evaluate my sexuality based on porn.

[human strike]

Generally speaking I think porn is something most people instinctively don't like and is something we are encouraged to adjust ourselves to. Porn, the commodified image of sex, is shit - it's not a bad thing to dislike it, to me it is a sign of a healthy sexuality.

[Leftsolidarity]

Generally speaking I think porn is something most people instinctively don't like and is something we are encouraged to adjust ourselves to. Porn, the commodified image of sex, is shit - it's not a bad thing to dislike it, to me it is a sign of a healthy sexuality.

Idk about that. Once I found out porn existed in 2nd grade I thought it was the best thing in the world.

[soso17]

Idk about that. Once I found out porn existed in 2nd grade I thought it was the best thing in the world.

I'm glad you said that, I thought I was alone. :)

As far as my adult life as a gay man, my interest in porn (gay or otherwise) waxes and wanes. Most of the time I prefer photos to videos anyways. I hate bad acting. LOL And I'm not really keen on "action" shots anyways. Give me some pics of attractive men in various states of undress and I'm happy as a clam!

[Tenka]

Generally speaking I think porn is something most people instinctively don't like and is something we are encouraged to adjust ourselves to. Porn, the commodified image of sex, is shit - it's not a bad thing to dislike it, to me it is a sign of a healthy sexuality.

I'm with Leftsolidarity and soso on this. I was interested in porn from a very early age even growing up in a household that tried to hide its existence. Once the internet was in my unsupervised hands, nothing could stop me exploiting the internet's vast free porn reserves.

I believe that porn at the very least, for sexual animals, is entertaining on a very basic level. Amusing. The right kind, you may be able to get off on. I saw a video on youtube reporting that Chimps enjoy porn when given access to it and prefer it to other things on screens.

Don't mistake the subtle conditioning of your life for instinct! Or your instinct for everyone else's, if you are not mistaken on the former point. Also, don't conflate porn with the porn industry, which I fear you may be doing to some extent.

[Goblin]

A lot of gay porn actors are actually straight (gay for pay), which is interesting.

[Leftsolidarity]

A lot of gay porn actors are actually straight (gay for pay), which is interesting.

Do you have any sources on that?

[Goblin]

Do you have any sources on that?
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/2012/08/gay--for-play_p.php

http://www.afterelton.com/blog/lylemasaki/imho-tyra-banks-show-gay-for-pay

http://www.bizarremag.com/fetish/interviews/10333/gay_for_pay_pornstars.html?xc=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-for-pay#Pornography

[Wall$reet_Weenie]

It depends on what you define as "Gay". I only find interest in porn with other Transsexuals, And I do prefer the second partner to be male. I guess on a Gay V Straight porn, strictly speaking, gay porn is significantly more appealing, on both an emotional and sexual level.

[cynicles]

This forum knows waaaaaaay too much about porn.

[Narcissus]

This forum knows waaaaaaay too much about porn.

I thought the demography of RevLeft was supposed to be male high school students.

[Leftsolidarity]

This forum knows waaaaaaay too much about porn.

That's what happens when you watch it on a daily basis for like 9 years.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I'm an asexual so no porn turns me on. My body doesn't discriminate.

[h0m0revolutionary]

it seems like the majority of gay porn consists of butch over-muscled 'macho' guys having sex with one another

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gay porn seems to promote the idea that what gay men really want is aggressive caricatures of masculinity.

Of course this type of porn does exist, but I wouldn't say it's a particularly prominent depiction of gay sex at all. Nor would i say it's opposite, the feminisation of 'twinks' is particularly assertive. I really think you're looking at the wrong sites.

I find gay porn just about the best thing to happen to the world (not to overblow it :D). But in all seriousness, gay porn websites are in the main commercial ventures and that so, they cater for an extremely wide array of different tastes, fetishes, kinks and taboos to maximize their traffic/customer count. The idea there is a dominant narrative of hypermasculinity, 'buff' bodies and the like within this doesn't fit with my experience at all. In fact if the myriad of very specific tumblrs/blogs/other websites popping up are anything to go by i'd say gay porn is so varied it is no longer saturated by these big 'cater-for-all' websites but is moving increasing to the subject specific types whether that's specifically catering for solo, underwear, punishment or something rather more specialised such as foot-fetish, piss, lycra etc.

[Zukunftsmusik]

Generally speaking I think porn is something most people instinctively don't like and is something we are encouraged to adjust ourselves to. Porn, the commodified image of sex, is shit - it's not a bad thing to dislike it, to me it is a sign of a healthy sexuality.

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no, but seriously, what's a "healthy sexuality"? I mean, I see your point about getting "encouraged to adjust ourselves to" it, but if people like to watch it, then let them, it's nothing "unhealthy" about it as far as I can see (disregarding porn addiction, of course).

[Mitt Romney]

I'm amazed at most of these comments.
As leftists, should we not oppose pornography? Should we not oppose the commodification of sexual desire?
How in the world can one be anti-capitalist and pro-porn?

[Tenka]

I'm amazed at most of these comments.
As leftists, should we not oppose pornography? Should we not oppose the commodification of sexual desire?
How in the world can one be anti-capitalist and pro-porn?

Firstly, welcome to the forum.
Secondly, porn predates any value-based economy, and will certainly outlive Capitalism unless we stop being sexual animals at some point prior to revolution (which isn't impossible, I suppose). Do not confuse porn company productions with porn in general. Pornography can be in any form from writing to drawings to films, and a lot of it is amateur (there are many *tube sites for this, and erotic fiction sites and imageboards, etc.).

Basically, porn has nothing to do with "commodification of sexual desire" and is a masturbation aid. Selling porn is another story.

[Lev Bronsteinovich]

Porn in general both bores and disgusts me. I'm not gay, but even pornography designed for straight men is revolting to me. The whole thing reeks of...I don't know, oppression I guess. I just imagine behind the scenes nobody is enjoying it at all and they all just want to get paid and leave.
What a party pooper. As someone above said, pornography in this day and age is immensely diverse. The whole thing reeks of sexual fantasy. But of course, if you looked at pornography, what would comrade Stalin say?

[Mauve Osprey]

Hmm? Well this is a bit of an odd topic. The porn industry is quite exploitative period. But some people like myself do find some gay porn nice, but it is a very synthetic thing. It depends on the person

[Lev Bronsteinovich]

People, especially men, really like to look at pornography. It is nothing new, just more pervasive and diverse due to the WWW. I find some of the puritanical views expressed here annoying. If you don't like it, don't look at it. You are outnumbered. And it is a matter of personal preference.

[Art Vandelay]

As a male in a relationship with a woman and who also has an attraction to men, although I'm predominantly straight I guess you could call it (I've never actually been with a man or even come close), I'd say that porn isn't really all that appealing. It definitely was when I was a hormone ragging teen not getting action regularly, but now that I'm older I hardly ever watch it. I've never seen gay porn so I can't really comment on that, but most straight porn that I've seen and hasn't been amateur, is pretty brutal.

[Mitt Romney]

Firstly, welcome to the forum.

Thank you.


Secondly, porn predates any value-based economy [...] Do not confuse porn company productions with porn in general.Yeah, when I say "porn" I'm referring to commercial porn, which is the only kind I've ever seen.


Pornography can be in any form from writing to drawings to films, and a lot of it is amateur (there are many *tube sites for this, and erotic fiction sites and imageboards, etc.).OK, about the *tubes - got any links? Because I've looked around the various well-known tube sites, and I see mostly stuff from commercial porn studios. Some of it is called "amateur" but in almost every case, that's clearly bullshit.

I certainly have no objection to sex; it's my favorite thing in the world.
I have no objection to depictions of sex.
But I have a huge problem with an industry that manipulates our desires and, in the case of film/video, exploits workers in an often uniquely brutal fashion.

When I bring up this objection, I'm usually informed about all of the free egalitarian porn out there. Yet I've never been able to find any.

[Os Cangaceiros]

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2197868&postcount=11

[Mitt Romney]

[link]

YouPorn is almost entirely clips from commercial porn sites and is absolutely for profit.
Good argumentation from Jimmie Higgins on that thread.

[Tenka]

When I bring up this objection, I'm usually informed about all of the free egalitarian porn out there. Yet I've never been able to find any.

It is more difficult to find real amateur video porn that isn't just film of someone masturbating (but if you're into that, which I am, XTube is good for it). For my part, I have no objections to porn from professional studios if I can get it for free and it doesn't suck.

There is a fathomless lot of free computer-generated and drawn/cartoon porn circulating the internet; there are some professional studios producing cartoon/anime porn where obviously no real sex acts are taking place; and last, and probably least preferred, are the free sex story sites which, last I checked, were sadly dominated by tasteless incest fantasies, but I digress....

[melvin]

Different strokes for different folksThis made me laugh out loud.