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Althusser
1st March 2013, 00:05
http://monthlyreview.org/commentary/did-mao-really-kill-millions-in-the-great-leap-forward


Did Mao Really Kill Millions in the Great Leap Forward?
by Joseph Ball

Over the last 25 years the reputation of Mao Zedong has been seriously undermined by ever more extreme estimates of the numbers of deaths he was supposedly responsible for. In his lifetime, Mao Zedong was hugely respected for the way that his socialist policies improved the welfare of the Chinese people, slashing the level of poverty and hunger in China and providing free health care and education. Mao’s theories also gave great inspiration to those fighting imperialism around the world. It is probably this factor that explains a great deal of the hostility towards him from the Right. This is a tendency that is likely to grow more acute with the apparent growth in strength of Maoist movements in India and Nepal in recent years, as well as the continuing influence of Maoist movements in other parts of the world.

Most of the attempts to undermine Mao’s reputation centre around the Great Leap Forward that began in 1958. It is this period that this article is primarily concerned with. The peasants had already started farming the land co-operatively in the 1950s. During the Great Leap Forward they joined large communes consisting of thousands or tens of thousands of people. Large-scale irrigation schemes were undertaken to improve agricultural productivity. Mao’s plan was to massively increase both agricultural and industrial production. It is argued that these policies led to a famine in the years 1959-61 (although some believe the famine began in 1958). A variety of reasons are cited for the famine. For example, excessive grain procurement by the state or food being wasted due to free distribution in communal kitchens. It has also been claimed that peasants neglected agriculture to work on the irrigation schemes or in the famous “backyard steel furnaces” (small-scale steel furnaces built in rural areas).

Mao admitted that problems had occurred in this period. However, he blamed the majority of these difficulties on bad weather and natural disasters. He admitted that there had been policy errors too, which he took responsibility for.

Official Chinese sources, released after Mao’s death, suggest that 16.5 million people died in the Great Leap Forward. These figures were released during an ideological campaign by the government of Deng Xiaoping against the legacy of the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. However, there seems to be no way of independently, authenticating these figures due to the great mystery about how they were gathered and preserved for twenty years before being released to the general public. American researchers managed to increase this figure to around 30 million by combining the Chinese evidence with extrapolations of their own from China’s censuses in 1953 and 1964. Recently, Jung Chang and Jon Halliday in their book Mao: the Unknown Story reported 70 million killed by Mao, including 38 million in the Great Leap Forward.

Western writers on the subject have taken a completely disproportionate view of the period, mesmerized, as they are, by massive death toll figures from dubious sources. They concentrate only on policy excesses and it is likely that their views on the damage that these did are greatly exaggerated. There has been a failure to understand how some of the policies developed in the Great Leap Forward actually benefited the Chinese people, once the initial disruption was over.

U.S. state agencies have provided assistance to those with a negative attitude to Maoism (and communism in general) throughout the post-war period. For example, the veteran historian of Maoism Roderick MacFarquhar edited The China Quarterly in the 1960s. This magazine published allegations about massive famine deaths that have been quoted ever since. It later emerged that this journal received money from a CIA front organisation, as MacFarquhar admitted in a recent letter to The London Review of Books. (Roderick MacFarquhar states that he did not know the money was coming from the CIA while he was editing The China Quarterly.)

Those who have provided qualitative evidence, such as eyewitness accounts cited by Jasper Becker in his famous account of the period Hungry Ghosts, have not provided enough accompanying evidence to authenticate these accounts. Important documentary evidence quoted by Chang and Halliday concerning the Great Leap Forward is presented in a demonstrably misleading way.

Evidence from the Deng Xiaoping regime Mao that millions died during the Great Leap Forward is not reliable. Evidence from peasants contradicts the claim that Mao was mainly to blame for the deaths that did occur during the Great Leap Forward period.

U.S. demographers have tried to use death rate evidence and other demographic evidence from official Chinese sources to prove the hypothesis that there was a “massive death toll” in the Great Leap Forward (i.e. a hypothesis that the “largest famine of all time” or “one of the largest famines of all time” took place during the Great Leap Forward). However, inconsistencies in the evidence and overall doubts about the source of their evidence undermine this “massive death toll” hypothesis.

The More Likely Truth About the Great Leap Forward

The idea that “Mao was responsible for genocide” has been used as a springboard to rubbish everything that the Chinese people achieved during Mao’s rule. However, even someone like the demographer Judith Banister, one of the most prominent advocates of the “massive death toll” hypothesis has to admit the successes of the Mao era. She writes how in 1973-5 life expectancy in China was higher than in Africa, the Middle East, South Asia and many countries in Latin America 1. In 1981 she co-wrote an article where she described the People’s Republic of China as a ‘super-achiever’ in terms of mortality reduction, with life expectancy increasing by approximately 1.5 years per calendar year since the start of communist rule in 1949 2. Life expectancy increased from 35 in 1949 to 65 in the 1970s when Mao’s rule came to an end.

To read many modern commentators on Mao’s China 4, you would get the impression that Mao’s agricultural and industrial policies led to absolute economic disaster. Even more restrained commentators, such as the economist Peter Nolan 5 claim that living standards did not rise in China, during the post-revolutionary period, until Deng Xiaoping took power. Of course, increases in living standards are not the sole reason for increases in life expectancy. However, it is absurd to claim that life expectancy could have increased so much during the Mao era with no increase in living standards.

For example, it is claimed by many who have studied figures released by Deng Xiaoping after Mao’s death that per capita grain production did not increase at all during the Mao period. 6 But how is it possible to reconcile such statistics with the figures on life expectancy that the same authors quote? Besides which these figures are contradicted by other figures. Guo Shutian, a Former Director of Policy and Law in the Chinese Ministry of Agriculture, in the post-Mao era, gives a very different view of China’s overall agricultural performance during the period before Deng’s “reforms.” It is true that he writes that agricultural production decreased in five years between 1949-1978 due to “natural calamities and mistakes in the work.” However he states that during 1949-1978 the per hectare yield of land sown with food crops increased by 145.9% and total food production rose 169.6%. During this period China’s population grew by 77.7%. On these figures, China’s per capita food production grew from 204 kilograms to 328 kilograms in the period in question.7

Even according to figures released by the Deng Xiaoping regime, industrial production increased by 11.2% per year from 1952-1976 (by 10% a year during the alleged catastrophe of the Cultural Revolution). In 1952 industry was 36% of gross value of national output in China. By 1975 industry was 72% and agriculture was 28%. It is quite obvious that Mao’s supposedly disastrous socialist economic policies paved the way for the rapid (but inegalitarian and unbalanced) economic development of the post-Mao era.8

There is a good argument to suggest that the policies of the Great Leap Forward actually did much to sustain China’s overall economic growth, after an initial period of disruption. At the end of the 1950s, it was clear that China was going to have to develop using its own resources and without being able to use a large amount of machinery and technological know-how imported from the Soviet Union.

In the late 1950s China and the USSR were heading for a schism. Partly, this was the ideological fall-out that occurred following the death of Stalin. There had been many differences between Stalin and Mao. Among other things, Mao believed that Stalin mistrusted the peasants and over-emphasized the development of heavy industry. However, Mao believed that Khrushchev was using his denunciation of Stalinism as a cover for the progressive ditching of socialist ideology and practice in the USSR.

Also the split was due to the tendency of Khrushchev to try and impose the Soviet Union’s own ways of doing things on its allies. Khrushchev acted not in the spirit of socialist internationalism but rather in the spirit of treating economically less developed nations like client states. For a country like China, that had fought so bitterly for its freedom from foreign domination, such a relationship could never have been acceptable. Mao could not have sold it to his people, even if he had wanted to.

In 1960 the conflict between the two nations came to a head. The Soviets had been providing a great deal of assistance for China’s industrialization program. In 1960, all Soviet technical advisers left the country. They took with them the blueprints of the various industrial plants they had been planning to build.

Mao made clear that, from the start, the policies of the Great Leap Forward were about China developing a more independent economic policy. China’s alternative to reliance on the USSR was a program for developing agriculture alongside the development of industry. In so doing, Mao wanted to use the resources that China could muster in abundance-labour and popular enthusiasm. The use of these resources would make up for the lack of capital and advanced technology.

Although problems and reversals occurred in the Great Leap Forward, it is fair to say that it had a very important role in the ongoing development of agriculture. Measures such as water conservancy and irrigation allowed for sustained increases in agricultural production, once the period of bad harvests was over. They also helped the countryside to deal with the problem of drought. Flood defenses were also developed. Terracing helped gradually increase the amount of cultivated area.9

Industrial development was carried out under the slogan of “walking on two legs.” This meant the development of small and medium scale rural industry alongside the development of heavy industry. As well as the steel furnaces, many other workshops and factories were opened in the countryside. The idea was that rural industry would meet the needs of the local population. Rural workshops supported efforts by the communes to modernize agricultural work methods. Rural workshops were very effective in providing the communes with fertilizer, tools, other agricultural equipment and cement (needed for water conservation schemes).10

Compared to the rigid, centralized economic system that tended to prevail in the Soviet Union, the Great Leap Forward was a supreme act of lateral thinking. Normally, cement and fertilizer, for example, would be produced in large factories in urban areas away from the rural areas that needed them. In a poor country there would be the problem of obtaining the capital and machinery necessary to produce industrial products such as these, using the most modern technique. An infrastructure linking the cities to the towns would then be needed to transport such products once they were made. This in itself would involve vast expense. As a result of problems like these, development in many poorer countries is either very slow or does not occur at all.

Rural industry established during the Great Leap Forward used labour-intensive rather than capital-intensive methods. As they were serving local needs, they were not dependent on the development of an expensive nation-wide infrastructure of road and rail to transport the finished goods.

In fact the supposedly wild, chaotic policies of the Great Leap Forward meshed together quite well, after the problems of the first few years. Local cement production allowed water conservancy schemes to be undertaken. Greater irrigation made it possible to spread more fertilizer. This fertilizer was, in turn, provided by the local factories. Greater agricultural productivity would free up more agricultural labour for the industrial manufacturing sector, facilitating the overall development of the country.11 This approach is often cited as an example of Mao’s economic illiteracy (what about the division of labour and the gains from regional specialization etc). However, it was right for China as the positive effects of Mao’s policies in terms of human welfare and economic development show.

Agriculture and small scale rural industry were not the only sector to grow during China’s socialist period. Heavy industry grew a great deal in this period too. Developments such as the establishment of the Taching oil field during the Great Leap Forward provided a great boost to the development of heavy industry. A massive oil field was developed in China.12 This was developed after 1960 using indigenous techniques, rather than Soviet or western techniques. (Specifically the workers used pressure from below to help extract the oil. They did not rely on constructing a multitude of derricks, as is the usual practice in oil fields).

The arguments about production figures belie the fact that the Great Leap Forward was at least as much about changing the way of thinking of the Chinese people as it was about industrial production. The so-called “backyard steel furnaces,” where peasants tried to produce steel in small rural foundries, became infamous for the low quality of the steel they produced. But they were as much about training the peasants in the ways of industrial production as they were about generating steel for China’s industry. It’s worth remembering that the “leaps” Mao used to talk about the most were not leaps in the quantities of goods being produced but leaps in people’s consciousness and understanding. Mistakes were made and many must have been demoralized when they realized that some of the results of the Leap had been disappointing. But the success of the Chinese economy in years to come shows that not all its lessons were wasted........ Rest of the article (http://monthlyreview.org/commentary/did-mao-really-kill-millions-in-the-great-leap-forward)

TheGodlessUtopian
1st March 2013, 00:19
This isn't a new article by any means. Been floating around for quite a while. However, when I read it a bit ago I did enjoy his thoughtful scholarship and main point that the anti-communists will never be able to give a thoughtful critique of the Mao era when they engage in such brash displays of dishonest "research gathering". I most enjoyed his level-headed arguments in defense of the cultural revolution in that it wasn't fanatical but neither was it in-bias. Over all it was a great read which should be mandatory reading for anyone interested in understanding the controversy.

Tim Cornelis
1st March 2013, 00:24
What caused the famine:

Kill a Sparrow Campaign, which Mao introduced
Relocating peasants into steel production, which Mao approved
Unfavourable weather conditions
Bureaucratic mismanagement (stories if silos of crops with the starving outside).
Adoption of pseudo-science by Trofim Lysenko, which Mao ordered.


Highly lethal famines were due to weather conditions were common in China. Six million people died from famines in the 1920s and 1930s, for instance. However, this was amplified by the four aspects listed above. Joseph Ball doesn't offer any counter-information which would refute that Mao's rule resulted in the death of millions. In contrast, we can use Soviet demographics to reach a number of 6-7 million deaths due to concentration camps, the holodomor, and the great purge under Stalin's regime. Well below the 10-20 million academics estimated prior to 1990 (and 40-60 million by anticommunist hysteria individuals). Of course, such reliable statistics are lacking from China, but what sources can Ball show that back his claim.
Millions died, to a large extent, if not primarily, due to several disastrous policies implemented under the leadership of Mr. Mao Tse-Tung.

EDIT: Oh wait, there is a rest of the article. Be right back.

EDIT II:

Be right back tomorrow then, it's a longer article than I anticipated. In the meanwhile:


But surely if Mao’s actions had led to the deaths of millions of peasants, the peasants would have realized what was going on. However, the evidence is that they did not blame Mao for most of the problems that occurred during the Great Leap Forward

This has got to be one of the weakest arguments put to paper, surely. This is already indicative of a bias by the author, a rationalisation.

goalkeeper
2nd March 2013, 23:08
This isn't a new article by any means. Been floating around for quite a while. However, when I read it a bit ago I did enjoy his thoughtful scholarship and main point that the anti-communists will never be able to give a thoughtful critique of the Mao era when they engage in such brash displays of dishonest "research gathering". I most enjoyed his level-headed arguments in defense of the cultural revolution in that it wasn't fanatical but neither was it in-bias. Over all it was a great read which should be mandatory reading for anyone interested in understanding the controversy.

The author of this article, who I have met, is an avowed Maoist. When he began to research for this article, I have no doubt that it was always going to lead to one conclusion, and one conclusion only.

I don't know Chinese history particularly well so I can't judge the validity of the article too much. One point though: if this article is a serious and credible critique of mainstream historiography of the Mao era, why was it published in the Monthly Review magazine? Why not a history journal?

Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist
2nd March 2013, 23:14
The author of this article, who I have met, is an avowed Maoist. When he began to research for this article, I have no doubt that it was always going to lead to one conclusion, and one conclusion only.

I don't know Chinese history particularly well so I can't judge the validity of the article too much. One point though: if this article is a serious and credible critique of mainstream historiography of the Mao era, why was it published in the Monthly Review magazine? Why not a history journal?

The Monthly Review is a Harvard publication, so it is much more dependable than your average public college rag.

Yuppie Grinder
2nd March 2013, 23:15
Yes.

MarxArchist
2nd March 2013, 23:34
It's not communism's job to facilitate any sort of 'great leap forward', NEP or any sort of state capitalism. When capitalists attack all this they do so in a "see look what communism does" sort of way which needs to be countered in a "that wasn't communism" reply.

Communists shouldn't defend anything Lenin did post 1920 or anything Stalin did or anything Mao did no matter the death toll.

Crux
2nd March 2013, 23:53
Yes.
http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft-history-some-t108719/index.html
"- Similarly, one-line posts that do not present any argument or evidence will be trashed, as will off-topic posts."
Consider this a verbal warning.
/Global Mod

goalkeeper
2nd March 2013, 23:55
The Monthly Review is a Harvard publication, so it is much more dependable than your average public college rag.

Erm, no. MR is not a scholarly historical journal. It is a political magazine with a stated political position. There's nothing wrong with such publications (on the contrary, they are great), but they are limited and very different than historical journals.

Positivist
2nd March 2013, 23:59
What caused the famine:

Kill a Sparrow Campaign, which Mao introduced
Relocating peasants into steel production, which Mao approved
Unfavourable weather conditions
Bureaucratic mismanagement (stories if silos of crops with the starving outside).
Adoption of pseudo-science by Trofim Lysenko, which Mao ordered.


Highly lethal famines were due to weather conditions were common in China. Six million people died from famines in the 1920s and 1930s, for instance. However, this was amplified by the four aspects listed above. Joseph Ball doesn't offer any counter-information which would refute that Mao's rule resulted in the death of millions. In contrast, we can use Soviet demographics to reach a number of 6-7 million deaths due to concentration camps, the holodomor, and the great purge under Stalin's regime. Well below the 10-20 million academics estimated prior to 1990 (and 40-60 million by anticommunist hysteria individuals). Of course, such reliable statistics are lacking from China, but what sources can Ball show that back his claim.
Millions died, to a large extent, if not primarily, due to several disastrous policies implemented under the leadership of Mr. Mao Tse-Tung.

EDIT: Oh wait, there is a rest of the article. Be right back.

EDIT II:

Be right back tomorrow then, it's a longer article than I anticipated. In the meanwhile:



This has got to be one of the weakest arguments put to paper, surely. This is already indicative of a bias by the author, a rationalisation.

Uhhh no. Casually labeling the labor camps of the USSR is very irresponsible and misleading. The labor camps were deplorable by all means but those sent their went to fill sentences for crimes, not hated ethnic, social and political groups targeted by the government, and the aim of the camps were to simultaneously ensure effective criminal justice while maintaining the labor force not to kill the inhabitants.

TheGodlessUtopian
3rd March 2013, 00:03
I don't know Chinese history particularly well so I can't judge the validity of the article too much. One point though: if this article is a serious and credible critique of mainstream historiography of the Mao era, why was it published in the Monthly Review magazine? Why not a history journal?

Because capitalists are not in the habit of publishing anything which might frame socialism in a good light, for one. Aside from that the article wasn't meant as an full-fledged endorsement but rather as an inquiry into the tactics used by bourgeois scholars in their fight against revolutionary anti-capitalism. I always read it as a piece intending to promote actually objective (non-hostile) research in the sense of rejecting counterrevolutionary lies and smears.

goalkeeper
3rd March 2013, 00:42
Because capitalists are not in the habit of publishing anything which might frame socialism in a good light, for one.

Works challenging the anti-Communist consensus of Richard Pipes, Robert Conquest etc on the USSR and Russian Revolution are regularly published, I don't see why it would be different for Chinese history.

TheGodlessUtopian
3rd March 2013, 00:47
Works challenging the anti-Communist consensus of Richard Pipes, Robert Conquest etc on the USSR and Russian Revolution are regularly published, I don't see why it would be different for Chinese history.

Challenging, but not endorsing. There is a difference. I can challenge an conservative's argument with a liberal one but that does not mean it is an endorsement. I see very few works which endorse socialist construction. Such does not mean it is impossible but very unlikely all the same.

Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist
3rd March 2013, 00:48
Works challenging the anti-Communist consensus of Richard Pipes, Robert Conquest etc on the USSR and Russian Revolution are regularly published, I don't see why it would be different for Chinese history.

Mobo Gao's work defending China is published in an academic setting, so it's not like it is impossible to defend it to those standards.

And non-academic publishing is more accessible, after all, isn't our goal the merger of the working class and the socialist movement?

goalkeeper
3rd March 2013, 01:30
Mobo Gao's work defending China is published in an academic setting, so it's not like it is impossible to defend it to those standards.

Hardly. It's a crap polemic printed by Pluto Press. From what I remember the author spends a lot of time talking about what people on the internet in China are saying lol.



And non-academic publishing is more accessible, after all, isn't our goal the merger of the working class and the socialist movement?

Sure. I'd rather read a magazine article than an academic journal article. But this article of 'Joseph Ball' is not, for example, the rewriting of an academic article for a general audience. It seems to set itself up as a piece of serious and original historical research that challenges the reigning consensus of the Mao era among historians; if he has something as such and it is credible, he wouldn't waste it by putting it in MR.

goalkeeper
3rd March 2013, 01:34
Challenging, but not endorsing. There is a difference. I can challenge an conservative's argument with a liberal one but that does not mean it is an endorsement. I see very few works which endorse socialist construction. Such does not mean it is impossible but very unlikely all the same.

Well perhaps thats because anyone familiar with the history of China or the USSR who isn't a lier and/or propagandist would not praise the "socialist construction" of those countries too much.

Tim Cornelis
3rd March 2013, 01:40
Uhhh no. Casually labeling the labor camps of the USSR [concentration camps] is very irresponsible and misleading. The labor camps were deplorable by all means but those sent [there] went to fill sentences for crimes, not hated ethnic, social and political groups targeted by the government, and the aim of the camps were to simultaneously ensure effective criminal justice while maintaining the labor force not to kill the inhabitants.

Half the prisoners of the gulags had no trial, they were contained in large groups in interment, under harsh conditions. This constitutes a concentration camp.

Ismail
3rd March 2013, 03:18
What's with the constant fixation on "academic standards"? After a while it starts to act as a red herring. Argue against or for the actual article, its quality has little to do with any good graces of academia or lack thereof. The only time it's relevant is when a blowhard is trying to give legitimacy to his or her work through dubious "credentials."

Comrade Jandar
3rd March 2013, 03:26
I heard it had something do with peasants reporting harvest figures that were higher than what they actually were or something. Does this sound right?

TheGodlessUtopian
3rd March 2013, 03:46
Well perhaps thats because anyone familiar with the history of China or the USSR who isn't a lier and/or propagandist would not praise the "socialist construction" of those countries too much.

Mao's contributions to China brought great sums of over 600million people into the modern century, brought upon an increased standard of living, wiped out natural systematic famines, rose education accessibility, initiated a worker movement which threw out boss and managerial control and placed such power into the workers hands (where they did not rise up and overthrow local regents of the bourgeoisie and compadors) and defeated an imperialist war of aggression not only within China's borders but helped to do so in Korea and Vietnam as well. All thanks to socialist construction. Nothing is perfect but without these movements China would not be in the position of power it is today; more likely a large highly divided nation (but such is speculation so I will cease).

However, I can see you are not being objective so there is probably little point in arguing with you since you look at things in absolute.

TheGodlessUtopian
3rd March 2013, 03:50
I heard it had something do with peasants reporting harvest figures that were higher than what they actually were or something. Does this sound right?

I think that places too much blame on the peasants. A good part of the problem was capitalists within the Chinese Communist Party itself which sabotaged planning; another good part for the disastrous event, which I think holds as much responsibility as the capitalists, was the commune system which doled out food in generous amounts without restriction as part of the theory. Both were to blame. Peasants did report higher outputs than they produced but I believe they were ordered to do so by local Party officials.

Edit: I actually get extremely board with these types of historical threads so I will leave any further "devil advocacy" with YABM.

goalkeeper
3rd March 2013, 04:09
Mao's contributions to China brought great sums of over 600million people into the modern century, brought upon an increased standard of living, wiped out natural systematic famines, rose education accessibility, initiated a worker movement which threw out boss and managerial control and placed such power into the workers hands (where they did not rise up and overthrow local regents of the bourgeoisie and compadors) and defeated an imperialist war of aggression not only within China's borders but helped to do so in Korea and Vietnam as well. All thanks to socialist construction. Nothing is perfect but without these movements China would not be in the position of power it is today; more likely a large highly divided nation (but such is speculation so I will cease).

However, I can see you are not being objective so there is probably little point in arguing with you since you look at things in absolute.

Funny that I get accused of not being objective when you are the one who seems to be repeating pro-Maoist rubbish that could come straight from Raymond Lotta and the RCP's work without even bothering to change the wording ("imperialist war of aggression", "local regents of the bourgeoisie and compradors")

Ismail
3rd March 2013, 05:02
Funny that I get accused of not being objective when you are the one who seems to be repeating pro-Maoist rubbish that could come straight from Raymond Lotta and the RCP's work without even bothering to change the wording ("imperialist war of aggression", "local regents of the bourgeoisie and compradors")You're assuming that objective truths need to be presently "objectively." Proletarian partisanship (i.e. partiinost') which was defended by Lenin and other Marxists combines the analysis of objective truths with a defense of working-class positions and exposure of bourgeois and petty-bourgeois positions using polemical and other methods. Pretty much every single Marxist tendency (self-described or otherwise) uses it.

Mauve Osprey
11th March 2013, 21:03
This article was a pretty good read. It's quite obvious that the "Millions Killed" Theory is led by the U.S. and Anti-Communists. I do not think it would be a good idea to blame the peasants for this, as it seems that they were producing higher yields. Even as the article points out, the policies implemented drastically improved living conditions. It's nice to see that their is plenty of evidence to debunk this theory. We must keep in mind the amazing things China was able to accomplish under the Great Leap Forward.