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Die Neue Zeit
23rd February 2013, 03:54
http://cpgb.org.uk/home/weekly-worker/950/left-organisation-not-another-sinister-sect



The way the left organises is a nonsense, argues Nick Wrack. This is an edited version of his speech at the February 9 ‘Socialist Organisation and Democracy’ event in Manchester

The nature of this onslaught against ordinary working class people, in this country and beyond, is forcing families, individuals, groups of friends - whether it is in the pub, the kitchen or around the TV when the news is on - to consider what they can do about the avalanche of attacks that is eroding everything they had come to expect in their life.

I think that is the starting point for the left, whatever tradition we come from, whether it is Marxist, socialist, anarchist, autonomist - we have a shared goal and a shared objective and that is to try and forge some kind of united response to the crisis we are facing and give people a glimpse of confidence, of hope, about how we can resist.

I work as a barrister and over the last year or so I have been lucky enough to represent students who were arrested and prosecuted for their participation in the anti-fees demonstrations of 2010. Those young people took to the streets to protest against the trebling of the fees. It reminds me of when I was a student. Having left school in Salford at the age of 18, I went to university and I got a full grant to do my undergraduate and postgraduate degrees and then to see me through my professional qualifications. Five years’ tuition all paid for.

That was what my generation came to expect. And, right through the 1970s and beyond, most people thought that their children would grow up in a society where they would be better off than their parents had been; that they would not have to go through the hell, the drudgery, the hardship that their grandparents had in order to get the basic things of life.

But what we have seen over the last five or six years in particular is a situation where everything that people came to expect is being smashed up. The welfare state in this country and in all other advanced capitalist countries is being dismantled. Why? Because we are facing a crisis not just of neoliberalism, not just of the latest particular brand or variant of capitalism, but a profound crisis of the system itself. In a way the ridiculous debate between David Cameron and Ed Miliband about who is going to make capitalism more humane, more decent, more responsible, is a response to the questioning of that system.

Take the meat crisis - could there be a better encapsulation of what capitalism is about? They are prepared to disguise what they sell us. Personally, if I know I am buying 100% horse meat without harmful or veterinary drugs, then I am prepared to eat it. But I want to be in control of what I eat. Yet actually the adulteration of food has been at the heart of capitalism since its inception. Go back and read Upton Sinclair’s fantastic book, The jungle. Read Lenin. He wrote an article on the adulteration of the meat trade in Russia before World War I - meat that had been condemned was being passed off as fit to eat. It happens again and again because the people who run this society are not interested in the health, well-being and living standard of ordinary people, but instead with lining their own pockets and making profit.

Now for most people that is a very simple concept to comprehend. The idea that there are those who exist to make a profit and they do so at our expense is easy to grasp. According to a recent opinion poll, 60% of the population of Britain identify as working class. That is quite significant.

Huge gap

But what has been the response from the left, from working class organisations, to this crisis? There is a huge gap between the reality and the necessity. Why is it so difficult for the left, for the organised workers’ movement, to respond and to pose an alternative? That surely is the issue we are facing.

I do not particularly want to discuss the crisis in the Socialist Workers Party, or the particular ways of organising preferred by the various left groups. I think it is better to start with what we would expect - and by all means use historical examples to inform, help or guide us. That does not mean regarding such examples as some kind of biblical text, or engaging in scholastic arguments about what Lenin really meant on this or that question.

However, I have read Lars T Lih and I think he has put the correct gloss on what Lenin and the Bolsheviks really did and what they were really trying to achieve. What they were trying to achieve was a replication in Russia of what they saw in Germany with the Social Democratic Party, which was a mass party of the working class, as the Bolsheviks were themselves to become. Many of the errors of the far left arise from a complete misconception of what the Bolsheviks were, how they organised, what they achieved. It is necessary to understand the real Bolshevik programme and, more fundamentally, bring it up to date, because we are not living in Russia in 1917 and we do not have a mass peasantry, feudal remnants and so on.

We are living in an advanced capitalist society, where people have access to Twitter, to Facebook, to all sorts of social media, where they are used to having discussions in the open. The idea that you can suppress debate and discussion, hide it, pretend it is not going on - ‘Don’t tell the children: they won’t be able to understand it; only the central committee can cope with it’ - is just complete nonsense. It never happened in the past and it should not be happening now. And it results from a false concept of how we have to change society.

So let us pose that question: who is going to change society? Is it going to be an organisation of 1,000 or 2,000 people led by a central committee? No. Is it going to be a tightly-knit party regime - what the revolutionary left generally calls ‘democratic centralism’ (although in reality it is bureaucratic centralism) - devoted to protecting its own programme and theoretical ideas from deviations, in order to justify this tight, disciplined organisation that is kept small, but pure? And then, when a revolutionary situation arises with the rising tide of working class struggle, this organisation (which may even have 10,000 members by this point) will ride the surf onto the beach, with the central committee at the front of the surfboard. Yes, it is complete nonsense!

In order to affect the changes in society that we want, first of all we will have to win the argument with working class people. We will have to persuade them that society is profoundly broken, it cannot be made to work in their interests, it can only work in the interests of a tiny minority. I think that is an argument which is easily made, but socialist ideas, for all sorts of reasons, have been pushed back. The reformist, social democratic organisations of the working class have abandoned even the most tenuous links to the ideas of a socialist society. That is why the left finds itself marginalised, fractured, atomised. We need to find a way of overcoming that.

But who is going to change society? It is not going to be an elite, a bureaucracy or a minority of people elected into parliament. The change in society that we need has to be carried out by the majority. The majority, who collectively say, ‘We are not going to put up with the situation where our meat is adulterated, and our children are poisoned, and our kids are deprived of an education, and pensioners cannot get a decent standard of living. We’re not going to put up with any of it.’ And they understand the necessity of changing root and branch the whole way that society is organised, and that the only way this can be achieved is if they themselves actively carry out that change.

Mass party

So in my opinion the concept that seems to proliferate on the left of a minority party using the development of struggle to somehow ride to the front is completely misconceived. What we need, in my opinion, is a mass party. A mass party of the working class.

What does that mean? We need to persuade, let us say, 30 million people in Britain that an alternative to capitalism is necessary; that the alternative is socialism - the common ownership of the means of production, production for need, not for profit. We need to persuade 30 million people that they have the collective power to do that, that it cannot be achieved overnight and that it cannot be achieved on the basis of small revolutionary sects, even if they call themselves parties. Surely it has to be an organisation that penetrates every single aspect of working class life - politics, culture, media, football, chess ... Those ideas have to become common currency for the bulk of people in our society, who must then be organised. Now that does not mean ‘discipline’ in the sense of ‘You must do this, you must do that’. But people as self-thinking socialists who organise collectively to change society, to take power.

So how do we go from today, where the left is atomised, fragmented, split, to even the beginnings of the possibility of influencing people? We need a massive army of persuaders - or advocates, as I would be described in court. In the English civil war in the 17th century the revolutionary army elected agitators who went and spoke on behalf of the ordinary soldiers about what kind of society they wanted. Cromwell said he wanted a society where only the owners of land could vote, and the agitators said they wanted a society where everyone can vote. We need agitators, persuaders, activists, organising together to win other people to build that army.

The question of how you organise should flow from that. The left is obsessed with what they falsely call ‘democratic centralism’. Is that what someone who joins an organisation that aims to change the world should expect? Surely the party should anticipate that new world. The new world that we are struggling for surely is going to be democratic. It must be a democratic party, where you have the right to speak, the right to dissent, the right to publicise your own views and so on. Now, of course, we must organise around a programme, around common activity. But that does not mean that debate and discussion must be stifled, that people cannot write articles, cannot get together and discuss in the pub or on Facebook on pain of expulsion.

Whenever you open your newspaper you read about someone in one of the rotten, rightwing, establishment parties dissenting from their leadership. When Maria Hutchings, the Tory candidate for the February 28 Eastleigh by-election, was asked on television what she thought of David Cameron’s position on Europe, she said, “I disagree with it.” What does she think of David Cameron on gay marriage? “I disagree with him.” So the Tories can select a representative who openly disagrees with the party leader and prime minister, but the revolutionary left tries to win people in the working class with, ‘Join us, but you’d better not say anything the leadership disagrees with’. You cannot get past the first step if you organise on that basis.

Probably most of us in the Independent Socialist Network are Marxists, but we are not in any of the organised groups precisely because we previously were in such groups and do not want to experience that again. But I still work closely with people in the SWP, people in the Socialist Party, people in the Communist Party of Great Britain, people in all the other groups. I have no problem with working with those groups, so long as you can have a debate and act together. But we need a project to bring people together in an organised way around a common programme - obviously that cannot be achieved overnight: it has to be based on serious, determined discussion.

I am sure I am not the only one who has been told, ‘You talk about a communist society, where everyone collaborates and organises together. But it’s not going to happen, is it? What about human nature?’ My answer to that is that human nature is socially and historically determined and can change over time. But then they say, ‘You communists can’t even work together in the here and now, so why is it going to happen in the future?’

That is why we have to demonstrate through our own activity and our own work that we have a sense of proportion, a sense of perspective. It is not going to happen overnight; rather it is a long-term project. But we must begin the task now.

Vladimir Innit Lenin
23rd February 2013, 09:50
This is all rather good, but what is he advocating we actually do?

Rather seems like he's throwing a stone from a glasshouse - a member of a tiny, irrelevant communist party-sect criticising the left for being composed of tiny, irrelevant communist party-sects instead of popular mass parties.

Seriously, is there any news here or is this just the CPGB-PCC spouting off again without offering any policy alternatives of its own?

Mass Grave Aesthetics
23rd February 2013, 10:32
This is all rather good, but what is he advocating we actually do?

Rather seems like he's throwing a stone from a glasshouse - a member of a tiny, irrelevant communist party-sect criticising the left for being composed of tiny, irrelevant communist party-sects instead of popular mass parties.

Seriously, is there any news here or is this just the CPGB-PCC spouting off again without offering any policy alternatives of its own?
but their policy is precisely addressing the weakness of the left, criticising and trying to establish a dialogue with different section of the left. They see the foundations for a future mass party coming from todays left getting it´s act together.

Q
23rd February 2013, 13:59
Seriously, is there any news here or is this just the CPGB-PCC spouting off again without offering any policy alternatives of its own?

If you had actually read the article you would have noticed that this speech was given by Nick Wrack, who is in the Independent Socialist Network, not the CPGB.

If you want to know what the CPGB argues for, you might want to take a look at their Draft Programme (http://www.cpgb.org.uk/home/about-the-cpgb/draft-programme) which is featured very prominently on their about us (http://www.cpgb.org.uk/home/about-the-cpgb) page.

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The Garbage Disposal Unit
25th February 2013, 22:38
:lol: Direction for the working class from lawyers and profs at elite universities. Really in touch with the class, I'm sure. Hey, do you think he'd talk it out over dinner on his dime? I bet lots of working class folk would be interested in that.

Anyway, dubious credentials aside, one has to ask - is a mass party possible or desirable at this juncture? How is the mass constructed by the capitalist totality, and how do we construct a mass anything against that? Further, which of the various socialists sects isn't attempting precisely this by a whole variety of means? Probably the problem isn't where this guy is looking for it, because even if this problem were solved we'd have what? Quebec Solidaire? SYRIZA?

Enh. Whateva.

Red Enemy
25th February 2013, 22:51
Wasn't there a thread where all you "Revolutionary Marxists" claimed that it was "intellectually dishonest" to suggest that Lih claimed that Lenin was trying to copy the SPD model?

Q
25th February 2013, 23:03
Wasn't there a thread where all you "Revolutionary Marxists" claimed that it was "intellectually dishonest" to suggest that Lih claimed that Lenin was trying to copy the SPD model?

Could you find that thread for me? I find it highly unlikely that something like that was said.


:lol: Direction for the working class from lawyers and profs at elite universities. Really in touch with the class, I'm sure. Hey, do you think he'd talk it out over dinner on his dime? I bet lots of working class folk would be interested in that.

Anyway, dubious credentials aside, one has to ask - is a mass party possible or desirable at this juncture? How is the mass constructed by the capitalist totality, and how do we construct a mass anything against that? Further, which of the various socialists sects isn't attempting precisely this by a whole variety of means? Probably the problem isn't where this guy is looking for it, because even if this problem were solved we'd have what? Quebec Solidaire? SYRIZA?

Enh. Whateva.

I do recommend this reading: Programme and Party: Broad bad, mass good (http://cpgb.org.uk/home/weekly-worker/950/programme-and-party-broad-bad-mass-good)

Art Vandelay
25th February 2013, 23:28
Wasn't there a thread where all you "Revolutionary Marxists" claimed that it was "intellectually dishonest" to suggest that Lih claimed that Lenin was trying to copy the SPD model?

I'm not going to dig through old posts, you can if you like, but I'm pretty sure that the comment you are referring to came from me. First off, to answer your question, no that wasn't what I said. If anything 'orthodox' Marxists are those who attempt to make the lineage between the German SPD and the RSDPL more clear and to refute the 'Lenin myth' which is that he attempted to create a party, of a 'new type.' The RSDLP was based off of the same organization model of the German SPD, but was applied to Russia's material conditions. The statement I made in that thread, was something along the lines of:

"Anyone who posits that Lih's research leads to the conclusion that the RSDLP was a 'carbon copy' of the German SPD is either ignorant of said research, or is being intellectually dishonest."

Red Enemy
25th February 2013, 23:46
I'm not going to dig through old posts, you can if you like, but I'm pretty sure that the comment you are referring to came from me. First off, to answer your question, no that wasn't what I said. If anything 'orthodox' Marxists are those who attempt to make the lineage between the German SPD and the RSDPL more clear and to refute the 'Lenin myth' which is that he attempted to create a party, of a 'new type.' The RSDLP was based off of the same organization model of the German SPD, but was applied to Russia's material conditions. The statement I made in that thread, was something along the lines of:

"Anyone who posits that Lih's research leads to the conclusion that the RSDLP was a 'carbon copy' of the German SPD is either ignorant of said research, or is being intellectually dishonest."
Well you're splitting hairs now, so as not to be seen as critical of DNZ, who has just concluded that, the Bolsheviks weren't a carbon copy, just "trying to be".

Art Vandelay
25th February 2013, 23:49
Well you're splitting hairs now, so as not to be seen as critical of DNZ, who has just concluded that, the Bolsheviks weren't a carbon copy, just "trying to be".

I'm not splitting hairs on anything, I've stated my opinion quite clearly. This may come as a surprise to you, but I don't agree with DNZ on everything, in fact there are many things I disagree with him on. This seems like nothing other than, yet again, a pathetic attempt on behalf of certain members of this board as painting all 'orthodox' Marxists as DNZites; its quite humorous really.

Red Enemy
26th February 2013, 00:01
I'm not splitting hairs on anything, I've stated my opinion quite clearly. This may come as a surprise to you, but I don't agree with DNZ on everything, in fact there are many things I disagree with him on. This seems like nothing other than, yet again, a pathetic attempt on behalf of certain members of this board as painting all 'orthodox' Marxists as DNZites; its quite humorous really.What, prey tell, do you disagree with him about?

Again, I say, do you call DNZ intellectually Dishonest or ignorant to claim that Lih portrays the Bolsheviks as TRYING to be a carbon copy of the German SPD?

Art Vandelay
26th February 2013, 00:10
What, prey tell, do you disagree with him about?

Again, I say, do you call DNZ intellectually Dishonest or ignorant to claim that Lih portrays the Bolsheviks as TRYING to be a carbon copy of the German SPD?

Perhaps he could clarify whether or not he thinks that they were attempting to be a literal "carbon copy" of the German SPD, or whether or not they were a carbon copy (albeit tailored to Russia's material conditions). If it is the latter then it would appear we are in agreement, if it is the former, then yes I would make those claims against him (which I am sure he would respond to and we could engage in a comradely exchange).

However lets take a look at your contributions to the thread so far, shall we?


Wasn't there a thread where all you "Revolutionary Marxists" claimed that it was "intellectually dishonest" to suggest that Lih claimed that Lenin was trying to copy the SPD model?

I corrected you on your comment and explained how it was merely an opinion expressed by myself; how you came to the conclusion that it was the view of everyone in the RM usergroup, again (I can only think) stems from your mis-characterization of us as some monolithic entity.


Well you're splitting hairs now, so as not to be seen as critical of DNZ, who has just concluded that, the Bolsheviks weren't a carbon copy, just "trying to be".

All I can think of here, is that you are purposely attempting to create some sort of issue or division between the positions of me and my comrade DNZ. I have no idea why, but perhaps you could actually post something of substance instead? Or maybe, I don't know, engage with the article posted in the op?

Die Neue Zeit
27th February 2013, 06:03
What, prey tell, do you disagree with him about?

Again, I say, do you call DNZ intellectually Dishonest or ignorant to claim that Lih portrays the Bolsheviks as TRYING to be a carbon copy of the German SPD?

Old Bolshevism was an attempt to implement as much of the SPD model as possible under Russian conditions. For example, the Bolsheviks had worker insurance funds, an Alternative Culture adaptation not written about much.

Contemporary comrades have no intention of replicating carbon copies of the SPD. Speaking of puns, check out carbon dating and radioactive decay. Adapting the model to contemporary conditions is quite different from replicating while ignoring those hard science parallels.