Soccer

[skitty]

Apparently "soccer" is English in origin; and predates "football" by about 18 years(soccer-association football-football) and has class connotations: gentlemen would prefer "soccer" and "football" was favored by the lower class. "Soccer" was adopted in the USA only to avoid confusion.

[Narcissus]

Are you sure? I always thought it was played back in the medieval times. As I understood it, there were no size limits for teams, and it was brutal! Doesn't mean they didn't call it soccer first though I guess, but I don't know if you just mean organised football or not.

[Ostrinski]

He's talking about the terms and the confusion over it, not the game itself.

[Narcissus]

"The early forms of football played in England, sometimes referred to as "mob football", would be played between neighbouring towns and villages, involving an unlimited number of players on opposing teams who would clash en masse, struggling to move an item, such as inflated animal's bladder, to particular geographical points, such as their opponents' church, with play taking place in the open space between neighbouring parishes."

Not the first football - apparently it was played in Ancient Greece, and then later Rome, China, and Japan before England, but my favourite :grin: although I have no idea how we can tell what the sport was referred to at the time.

[Will Scarlet]

How can the term soccer predate the term football for football when 'soccer' derives from the term 'association football'?

The class thing makes sense for why no one calls it soccer (here) though.

I might start calling it mob football though. :cool:

[mo7amEd]

football*

[skitty]

How can the term soccer predate the term football for football when 'soccer' derives from the term 'association football'?

The class thing makes sense for why no one calls it soccer (here) though.

I might start calling it mob football though. :cool:I believe "soccer" and the current rules came out of the elite schools(Oxford?) and the "er" was similar to "rugger". The progression went to association football, probably as teams formed; and in popular usage the "association" was discarded. The Toffs probably clung to their "soccer" as long as possible.

[skitty]

He's talking about the terms and the confusion over it, not the game itself.Right! Mid-1800's UK, not foot-meets-ball for the first time:).

[Bronco]

How do you mean? The term "football" has been used since the 14th/15th century

[skitty]

How do you mean? The term "football" has been used since the 14th/15th centuryI mean the game as it's currently played. Until last year I found the game painfully boring; but watching Premier League games won me over-so I'm no authority. I'm only sharing what I've read because the two terms would appear to be interchangeable, even in the UK and elsewhere.

[Narcissus]

I mean the game as it's currently played. Until last year I found the game painfully boring; but watching Premier League games won me over-so I'm no authority. I'm only sharing what I've read because the two terms would appear to be interchangeable, even in the UK and elsewhere.

Painfully boring! Can you watch the champions league where you live?

Around the world football (soccer) is known as 'le foot', 'futbol', 'futebol', 'fußball', and 'voetball'.

To me soccer is the original football, the most widely known football, and the most popular football. It also fits its name the best, as you use your feet to kick the ball more than any other game.

People in the UK of course know what soccer means, but they would never dream of saying it instead of football.

Soccer should be recognised universally as football, and all other 'football' should drop the word from their names, and be more descriptive like basketball.

[Eleutheromaniac]

Football = Football

American Football = Hand Egg

[skitty]

Football = Football

American Football = Hand EggAmerican football=IQ test:rolleyes:!

[skitty]

Painfully boring! Can you watch the champions league where you live?

Around the world football (soccer) is known as 'le foot', 'futbol', 'futebol', 'fußball', and 'voetball'.

To me soccer is the original football, the most widely known football, and the most popular football. It also fits its name the best, as you use your feet to kick the ball more than any other game.

People in the UK of course know what soccer means, but they would never dream of saying it instead of football.

Soccer should be recognised universally as football, and all other 'football' should drop the word from their names, and be more descriptive like basketball.We have cable tv; but no premium channels, so I'm lucky if I can see a Premier League game or two/week and less often Champions League on ESPN or Root.

[F9]

While it is really interesting to see the origin of the words and their history(if anyone has any reliable source i would really like to see it), now there is no question!Soccer is stupid.The word is football.The catch and run ball being played in US is just ridiculous taking over the name from the proper sport.

Fuck Premier League and Champions League.Watch campionato, bundesliga, or south american ones, one to see how real fans live the games :)

[Tifosi]

Fuck Premier League and Champions League.Watch campionato, bundesliga, or south american ones, one to see how real fans live the games :)

Very little beats a Champions League night.

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Around the world football (soccer) is known as 'le foot', 'futbol', 'futebol', 'fußball', and 'voetball'.

Calcio ;)1

[skitty]

Very little beats a Champions League night.

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Calcio ;)1Grazie! In Scotland I'm told Celtic is pronounced with a soft "C" like the Boston Celtics?

[Tifosi]

Grazie! In Scotland I'm told Celtic is pronounced with a soft "C" like the Boston Celtics?

yip - http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Celtic+-+Pronunciation

[Ostrinski]

That awkward moment when you realize you're getting emotional about sports terms

[F9]

That awkward moment when you realize you're getting emotional about sports terms

awkward?im crazy about sports and i love it!:)

[B5C]

I am ready for MLS! :grin:

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[International_Solidarity]

This is pretty interesting. Didn't know this. . . . has the US ever invented any sport? I know that both Soccer and Football are from Britain (even American Football), and aren't Basketball and Baseball also foreign? Sports are stressed so much in the USA that I would think that they would have at least created something original. Anyone know? Too busy reading on Value, Price, and Profit to research right now.

[B5C]

This is pretty interesting. Didn't know this. . . . has the US ever invented any sport? I know that both Soccer and Football are from Britain (even American Football), and aren't Basketball and Baseball also foreign? Sports are stressed so much in the USA that I would think that they would have at least created something original. Anyone know? Too busy reading on Value, Price, and Profit to research right now.

Basketball was invented in the United States.
Lacrosse was invented by Native Americans.

[Narcissus]

On the pronunciation of Celtic, in Glasgow it can end up sounding more like 'shailtuc' :)

[skitty]

Basketball was invented in the United States.
Lacrosse was invented by Native Americans.Good heavens, you're forgetting stickball, roller derby and beach vollyball:D!

[skitty]

On the pronunciation of Celtic, in Glasgow it can end up sounding more like 'shailtuc' :)I really have trouble following some of the announcers. Even Sir Alex sounds like he's mumbling!

[Sam_b]

I'd take a Scottish Cup Final over a Champions League night all day

[skitty]

I know a guy who is a huge Juventus fan. He is Sicilian; and moved north to Turin to work for Fiat. He told me he loved Juventus because they weren't a money(think Man United) team-they were guys just like himself who played their hearts out and won. Sound reasonable?

[Sam_b]

Not when you consider Juve are a multi-million team which was also engaged in match fixing/

[skitty]

Not when you consider Juve are a multi-million team which was also engaged in match fixing/He's been in the USA for many years so maybe he was talking about the 'good ol' days'?

[Sam_b]

Juventus have been domestically successful for decades, just as long as Man United if not longer.

[B5C]

Good heavens, you're forgetting stickball, roller derby and beach vollyball:D!

Should have I added NASCAR? ;)1

http://blogs.longwood.edu/laurap/files/2011/02/sports-pictures-fan-drunk-rednecks0000.jpg

[skitty]

Should have I added NASCAR? ;)1

http://blogs.longwood.edu/laurap/files/2011/02/sports-pictures-fan-drunk-rednecks0000.jpgWell...ok, if you think "go fast, turn left, repeat" is a sport.

[Tifosi]

I know a guy who is a huge Juventus fan. He is Sicilian; and moved north to Turin to work for Fiat. He told me he loved Juventus because they weren't a money(think Man United) team-they were guys just like himself who played their hearts out and won. Sound reasonable?

No. Juventus have always been one of, it not the wealthiest club in Italy due to the involvement of the Fiat owning Agnelli family. Famously, Gianni Agnelli pumped millions and millions into the club during his lifetime. The first challenge to their wealth dominance was when Angelo Moratti bought into Inter in the late 50's. This lead to a glory period at Inter but his money dried up in the late 60's. After that Juventus ruled by themselves again until Silvio Berlusconi bought AC Milan and the 7 sisters period in Italy began when Lazio and Roma won the Scudetto and Parma had great success in the League, Cups and Europe.

So Juventus have always been at the top of wealth pile. That's why they have a huge following of glory hunters from the the southern regions like Sicily, Campania and Puglia. Plus, they may play their hearts out but it always helps when you have giving the ref a big fat wad of cash before the game.