Dumb stuff liberals say to radicals II

[Sentinel]

Continued from here (http://www.revleft.com/vb/dumb-stuff-liberals-t166718/index25.html), previous thread was almost at the 500 posts mark.

[ellipsis]

since occupy ended, i haven't had much to post here.:grin::grin::grin:

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

Someone told me, "Communism can't work because theres not enough money for everyone."

[TheRedAnarchist23]

There are not many liberals in Portugal.

One person I know said the crisis would pass and that the markets would solve the problem.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

A lot of the liberals I knew in high school graduated to libertarianism after 2008

[Fourth Internationalist]

"Communism is a single-party state system with state control over production and distribution."

"In communism, wages go to the government and are then divided equally to everyone."

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

There are not many liberals in Portugal.

One person I know said the crisis would pass and that the markets would solve the problem.

You might not believe, but here in Holland Liberals are the large majority and still they say markets will solve the problem.

STFU! Markets fucking created the problem!

[A Revolutionary Tool]

The CPUSA is revolutionary. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[TheRedAnarchist23]

You might not believe, but here in Holland Liberals are the large majority and still they say markets will solve the problem.

I beleive you, but your people must be sick in the head to think something like that. Maybe it is the cold.

[Orange Juche]

"Get rid of capitalism? So what do we do, go back to bartering?" (someone I personally know who is a high school history teacher).

"Vote Ron Paul!" (numerous people who are, by their beliefs, economic social democrats, not libertarians, but support him because of his drug and war stances, then defend his insanity or write it off)

"Occupy is supposed to be all inclusive!" (in response to my criticisms that the local occupy was letting libertarians/Ron Paulites be a part of it)

[MEGAMANTROTSKY]

"Doesn't Marxism say that marriage is legal prostitution? I think that's sexist--calling all married women prostitutes."

Yes. Really.

[Orange Juche]

"I'm a socialist." (even though they are not, they're a social democrat) or; "Socialism is..." (goes on to explain liberal social democracy).

[Art Vandelay]

Oh my god, there is this dude from my hometown whose an actual mentalist.

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

"I'm a socialist." (even though they are not, they're a social democrat) or; "Socialism is..." (goes on to explain liberal social democracy).

Oh god, ALL THE TIME! I have a whole bunch of "socialists" at my school, who are all really Obama and Democrat supporters.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

The "we're all socialists" type of idiots who say that the police department is a socialist institution because it's state run :cursing::cursing:

[Leftsolidarity]

Human nature

[Fourth Internationalist]

In a YouTube debate currently going on, I mentioned factory workers in third world countries and that they're working as slaves for corporations in America. He replied,

Thanks to that they actuallu got a job and can afford some food. We need inequality. The energy is in the waterfall, not a pond.People like him are just as disgusting as Nazis.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

In a YouTube debate currently going on, I mentioned factory workers in third world countries and that they're working as slaves for corporations in America. He replied,
People like him are just as disgusting as Nazis.

Youtube: home of the best debates on the internet!

[TheRedAnarchist23]

wow. Those american liberals are idiots! That is the kind of stupidity the USA are known here for.

In my country I have heard:
"The PS and left-wing policy was responsible for the crisis"
"We need to pay back the debt"
"It was better when Salazar was around"

But these are not from liberals, they are from fascists. Strangely it is more common to find a fascist than a liberal here, but you still have a very hard time finding a fascist, it is much easier to find a communist.

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

wow. Those american liberals are idiots! That is the kind of stupidity the USA are known here for.

In my country I have heard:
"The PS and left-wing policy was responsible for the crisis"
"We need to pay back the debt"
"It was better when Salazar was around"

But these are not from liberals, they are from fascists. Strangely it is more common to find a fascist than a liberal here, but you still have a very hard time finding a fascist, it is much easier to find a communist.

It is becoming more and more obvious that Portugal is not all that different from Holland.
It's probably because Fascists like to scream more. On- and off-line.

[Fourth Internationalist]

Youtube: home of the best debates on the internet!
It's the best I can do as a 14 year-old :( I just hope someone can see my many debates and then maybe become more sympathetic to our cause.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

It's the best I can do as a 14 year-old :( I just hope someone can see my many debates and then maybe become more sympathetic to our cause.

The morale is to avoid debating on youtube. What was the limit, a few hundred characters? Hardly a great deal of room. It wasn't an attack against you comrade, I am just saying there are more productive places to argue.

[Fourth Internationalist]

The morale is to avoid debating on youtube. What was the limit, a few hundred characters? Hardly a great deal of room. It wasn't an attack against you comrade, I am just saying there are more productive places to argue.

I know, but it's quite hard to resist not responding to people who respond to my pro communist comments, or to just let everyone who is reading the comments when they see an anti communst comment that they can see the communist point of view. It cant do more harm than good. :)

[Rational Radical]

"You're tooo left" but i also would be called that here too lol

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I know, but it's quite hard to resist not responding to people who respond to my pro communist comments, or to just let everyone who is reading the comments when they see an anti communst comment that they can see the communist point of view. It cant do more harm than good. :)

Oh, I know the feeling... is how I have gotten myself into one too many fool-hardy debates with conservatives and Nazis. Eventually we all learn to pick our battles but it is hard, yes.

[Rational Radical]

when i here communist states my skin crawls,then when i give the most basic definition of communism a couple of liberals said " no i don't think you understood me,is there any communist nation states,like countries?" as if i misinterpreted it to mean states like New York,Georgia etc. lololol

[Leftsolidarity]

Israel has the right to exist

[Skyhilist]

Israel has the right to exist

Oh, and "You're an anti-semite if you think otherwise!"

[Althusser]

Some liberal girl at my school tells me about how she just wants to dust off her V for Vendetta mask and protest. It really doesn't matter what for. She also likes Ron Paul

Also, about youtube debates: I once took on about 8 libertarian nazi-sympathizers at once on youtube. I felt like Neo from The Matrix fighting 100 nazi uniformed Mr. Smiths.

[ellipsis]

"I'm part of this forum called revleft." I just stole that from a deleted post by user unnamed, because it made me laugh.

[Leftsolidarity]

"I'm part of this forum called revleft." I just stole that from a deleted post by user unnamed, because it made me laugh.

I read it and wanted to post the same exact thing as you hahaha

[MarxArchist]

"Communism has some great intentions but we need to just pick and choose some communism and mix it with capitalism which is why I'm a socialist".

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

When I hear liberals talk about human nature and how it makes communism impossible, I release the safety on my Browning. Mises's fantasies about an alleged economic calculation problem are also regularly regurgitated by liberals.

But at least these people are consistent liberals; most "liberals" in Croatia are ethnic chauvinists whose rhetoric would qualify them as Nazis in a saner country.

[RedAtheist]

"Sweden is socialist." Or insert some other supposed European utopia, whose TNCs are all over the place.

"Socialism is about being nice to the poor/working class." It's not, it's about raising oppressed groups to the position of the ruling class, so that they can have influence over the economy and then they won't need you're paternalistic niceness to survive.

"People just need to be less selfish". This implies that it's ordinary people and their way of thinking and behaving that are the problem, not the capitalist system or the ruling class.

If you're talking about social liberals, here's a few statements I'm sick of hearing from them.

"Don't judge." This statement is self-defeating, since it too is a judgement.

"I can do what I want with my own body." Yeah, but that doesn't mean what you're doing is a good idea.

"Why do you care about X it doesn't effect you?" Why should I only care about things which directly effect me? What kind of selfish, libertarian crap is that?

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

"I can do what I want with my own body." Yeah, but that doesn't mean what you're doing is a good idea.

"A good idea" being what, when it comes to how people dispose of their body? I mean, I realise that certain types of behaviour should be discouraged in the era of the dictatorship of the proletariat for purely economic reasons, those that lead to wasted expenditure of labour power for example, or for reasons of public order, namely those that harm other citizens in some way. That sort of behaviour aside, though, why would it not be "a good idea" for someone to get an abortion, or not get an abortion, to have one child or three (as long as the quality of life of those children is not affected), to drink alcohol etc.?


"Why do you care about X it doesn't effect you?" Why should I only care about things which directly effect me? What kind of selfish, libertarian crap is that?

The kind of selfish, libertarian crap that the labour movement should have, in my opinion, taken to heart, which would have meant a swift death to homophobia, transphobia, opposition to abortion, and other attempts to "care about people" by forcing them to change their lifestyle or stopping them from making certain choices that primarily concern themselves.

[Art Vandelay]

Power corrupts.

[p0is0n]

OH MY GOD I THINK im having a fucking heart attack

i decided to go to fucking i acknowledge class warfare exist page again to shout at fucking liberals

see post titled "I'm a Keynesian because Herbert Hoover wasn't", get slightly annoyed. scroll through comments and find "I'm a marxist because logic", smile, look under it:

"I'm not a Marxist because it's only good in theory and not in practice."

"And that's why I'm a Keynesian. Marx was right about capitalism, but incorrect about the solution." 16 likes JEUSESAIJDFGD

"Marxism works on communes, not countries. Funny thing is capitalism only works in small enclosed markets as well. It takes a blended economic ideology to operate in the large groups we have. That being said nothing will ever be perfect because people mess economies up out of greed and incompetence." 10 likes

[Fourth Internationalist]

Power corrupts.

I don't understand how this is a dumb thing... :confused:

[Kalinin's Facial Hair]

The human nature "argument" makes me lose it.

I have heard it a fucking billion times...

[Althusser]

"I'm part of this forum called revleft." I just stole that from a deleted post by user unnamed, because it made me laugh.

Lol that was me. I posted that after reading those disgusting posts about how evil Lenin was from Kindness in another thread.

[p0is0n]

I don't understand how this is a dumb thing... :confused:
i suppose because "power corrupts" suggests that power is some sort of mystical and fixed thing. don't trust my word tho im dumb as fuck lol.

[Fourth Internationalist]

On the same YouTube debate I mentioned earlier, he told me to read Irwin Shiff's "How an Economy Grows." The comic is about regulation vs deregulation (liberals vs conservatives), taking the side of deregulation (conservatives). It's about how government intervention in the markets slows the growth of the capitalist economy. I'm not a liberal capitalist! I'm a communist! Communists do not want to regulate the capitalist economy, we want to overthrow it! We do not want to regulate the system, we want a new system! Why can't he just understand that!? :crying:

[TheRedAnarchist23]

The human nature "argument" makes me lose it.

I have heard it a fucking billion times...

You have heard it a billion times and you have still not developped a good counter-argument?

[TheRedAnarchist23]

i suppose because "power corrupts" suggests that power is some sort of mystical and fixed thing. don't trust my word tho im dumb as fuck lol.

That makes no sense!

Evidently power currupts because it is associated with high social standing. Saying power corrupts has nothing to do with saying it is a mystical thing, and if you think this you are an idiot who cannot look beyond what he has been told.

[p0is0n]

[...] and if you think this you are an idiot who cannot look beyond what he has been told.
woah, what the fucks your problem?

[Art Vandelay]

woah, what the fucks your problem?

My past behavior towards him must have rubbed off on him.

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

OH MY GOD I THINK im having a fucking heart attack

i decided to go to fucking i acknowledge class warfare exist page again to shout at fucking liberals

see post titled "I'm a Keynesian because Herbert Hoover wasn't", get slightly annoyed. scroll through comments and find "I'm a marxist because logic", smile, look under it:

"I'm not a Marxist because it's only good in theory and not in practice."

"And that's why I'm a Keynesian. Marx was right about capitalism, but incorrect about the solution." 16 likes JEUSESAIJDFGD

"Marxism works on communes, not countries. Funny thing is capitalism only works in small enclosed markets as well. It takes a blended economic ideology to operate in the large groups we have. That being said nothing will ever be perfect because people mess economies up out of greed and incompetence." 10 likes

Ugh, those people kill me. What liberal believes in class war?

[Althusser]

You have heard it a billion times and you have still not developped a good counter-argument?

Consciousness does not create material conditions. Consciousness arose from the material world and is a direct reflection of it. Our material conditions create our consciousness. Because our brains are highly organized matter, we have the ability to influence our conditions with correct ideas, within the limits of natural law. There isn't a human nature. Human nature is the same argument monarchs would use against democracy, and feudal lords against capitalism. Human nature is the absolute shittiest argument for/against anything and is the main argument inferior positions use to fall back on.

[Turinbaar]

Any and all romanticization of the kennedy brothers and the belief that they were victims of a police state. As lapdogs of McCarthy, JFK and his precious brother Bobby were instruments of a police state. Good riddance to both of them.

Also, going through Jessica Mitford's "A Fine Old Conflict," we find a reflection on her sister Nancy, which very accurately summarizes the smug, narcissistic, and superficial personality of a liberal. Nancy published a collection of essays appropriately titled "the Water Beetle" and quoted Hillaire Belloc in its epigraph:

"She aggravates the human race/By gliding on the water's face/Assigning each to each its place./But if she ever stopped to think/Of how she did it, she would sink."

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

I saw this bullshit on some liberal facebook page. It was a whole page against Ayn Rand, and they used an Ayn Rand quote.

9034

[TheRedAnarchist23]

woah, what the fucks your problem?

My problem is that this forum is filled with marxists who simply cannot tolerate the presence of anarchists.
My problem is that my ideology is considered inferior towards a majority here in this forum, and nobody seems to fight back. The other anarchists here see their politics be criticised and ridiculed every day, and they do nothing.
I do not simply ignore and let it pass, I intervene, I always do it, even if it ends badly for me.
When I see my ideology criticised I imediately go to its defence. I consider it the best ideology, therefore it is placed above all others.
My problem is that I consider my ideology to be the correct one, and you think some other is correct, and it does not matter whatever effort I put into it there is no way to change your mind.
My problem is that the others who share my ideology will not rush to its defence when it is attacked, and they will not spread thier truth to others.

Basicaly my problem is with the fact that you said something that offended me. The rest is the other stuff that drove me to that point.

[Art Vandelay]

My problem is that this forum is filled with marxists who simply cannot tolerate the presence of anarchists.
My problem is that my ideology is considered inferior towards a majority here in this forum, and nobody seems to fight back. The other anarchists here see their politics be criticised and ridiculed every day, and they do nothing.
I do not simply ignore and let it pass, I intervene, I always do it, even if it ends badly for me.
When I see my ideology criticised I imediately go to its defence. I consider it the best ideology, therefore it is placed above all others.
My problem is that I consider my ideology to be the correct one, and you think some other is correct, and it does not matter whatever effort I put into it there is no way to change your mind.
My problem is that the others who share my ideology will not rush to its defence when it is attacked, and they will not spread thier truth to others.

Basicaly my problem is with the fact that you said something that offended me. The rest is the other stuff that drove me to that point.

Yes TRA23 you are the glorious defender of the anarchist ideology, you are by far the best one on the site. :rolleyes:

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

My problem is that this forum is filled with marxists who simply cannot tolerate the presence of anarchists.
My problem is that my ideology is considered inferior towards a majority here in this forum, and nobody seems to fight back. The other anarchists here see their politics be criticised and ridiculed every day, and they do nothing.
I do not simply ignore and let it pass, I intervene, I always do it, even if it ends badly for me.
When I see my ideology criticised I imediately go to its defence. I consider it the best ideology, therefore it is placed above all others.
My problem is that I consider my ideology to be the correct one, and you think some other is correct, and it does not matter whatever effort I put into it there is no way to change your mind.
My problem is that the others who share my ideology will not rush to its defence when it is attacked, and they will not spread thier truth to others.

Basicaly my problem is with the fact that you said something that offended me. The rest is the other stuff that drove me to that point.

I get how you feel, as a Maoist I feel the same way.

Except I defend my ideology with facts and reason, instead of passive-aggressive rants......

[Doflamingo]

On the same YouTube debate I mentioned earlier, he told me to read Irwin Shiff's "How an Economy Grows." The comic is about regulation vs deregulation (liberals vs conservatives), taking the side of deregulation (conservatives). It's about how government intervention in the markets slows the growth of the capitalist economy. I'm not a liberal capitalist! I'm a communist! Communists do not want to regulate the capitalist economy, we want to overthrow it! We do not want to regulate the system, we want a new system! Why can't he just understand that!? :crying:

Nobody ever said conservatives could think outside their tiny box. :lol:

[Questionable]

I was in history class today and the discussion veered over to Syria, and when someone asked which side America was on, rebels or government, this one dude exclaimed "They're probably on the side that isn't killing dozens of people!"

This same person is always getting irritated every time we study a revolution in history. I remember one day the professor ended class by saying "So after studying all the European revolutions, do you think America is heading for a second one?" and the person practically shouted "ABSOLUTELY NOT"

[Leftsolidarity]

Everyone can start being more polite to others in the thread or stfu.

Consider that a general warning for flaming or whatever the hell is going on between you all.

[p0is0n]

My problem is that this forum is filled with marxists who simply cannot tolerate the presence of anarchists.
My problem is that my ideology is considered inferior towards a majority here in this forum, and nobody seems to fight back. The other anarchists here see their politics be criticised and ridiculed every day, and they do nothing.
I do not simply ignore and let it pass, I intervene, I always do it, even if it ends badly for me.
When I see my ideology criticised I imediately go to its defence. I consider it the best ideology, therefore it is placed above all others.
My problem is that I consider my ideology to be the correct one, and you think some other is correct, and it does not matter whatever effort I put into it there is no way to change your mind.
My problem is that the others who share my ideology will not rush to its defence when it is attacked, and they will not spread thier truth to others.

Basicaly my problem is with the fact that you said something that offended me. The rest is the other stuff that drove me to that point.
fuck off buddy

[LOLseph Stalin]

"Socialism/communism doesn't work because people are greedy and power hungry." and "Lenin was an evil dictator and mass murderer." There's honestly waaaaay too many things to list.

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

I'm arguing with this liberal on Facebook, and shes going on how people are greedy, and it would be great if we could all just get along, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.............................. ....................

[Sinister Intents]

My mom arguing against socialism with "people like to eat Jay" i freaked out over that and tried explaining what socialism really is and she said that it doesn't work even after I explained to her everything that I pretty much freaking learned.

Also my parents used the columbine school shooting as an antisocialist statement. They called the shooters radicals and revolutionaries

[LOLseph Stalin]

Today on Facebook I posted a picture of Stalin. I'm not actually an M-L, but I just thought the picture was cool. Immediately people started freaking out. It kind of ties in with an earlier incident of people calling me an apologist for genocide because I recognize and respect his efforts in WW II.

[La Guaneña]

Today on Facebook I posted a picture of Stalin. I'm not actually an M-L, but I just thought the picture was cool. Immediately people started freaking out. It kind of ties in with an earlier incident of people calling me an apologist for genocide because I recognize and respect his efforts in WW II.

I think that nothing makes liberals rage more than Stalin. Maybe Pol Pot, but people don't associate the name with the face. But some Stalin-induced rage is awesome.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I think that nothing makes liberals rage more than Stalin. Maybe Pol Pot, but people don't associate the name with the face. But some Stalin-induced rage is awesome.

That's partially why I posted it, to troll my liberal friends. I got a good laugh before removing it.

[Durruti's friend]

"If those kids in American high schools would have rifles, there would be less shooting sprees."

"A privatized judicial system is better than a state run one."

"You know when will natural resources disappear if they are private property? NEVER. The price can rise, but there will always be oil." Oh yes...

This is off the top of my head. It would be easier to say what fascists say because, as Semendyaev stated, Croatia is full of them.

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

I think that nothing makes liberals rage more than Stalin. Maybe Pol Pot, but people don't associate the name with the face. But some Stalin-induced rage is awesome.

It's true. I tagged 9mm in a Stalin picture on Facebook, and one of his friends I don't even know got very angry at us.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I really don't think this person was a liberal(I think a conservative or something), but somebody seriously just said poverty is a choice. Well shit, I must have been so wasted out of my mind when I made the decision to be poor because I don't remember any of it :laugh:.

Also, those Africans! We don't need to help them, they choose to starve! My entire life has been a lie!

[Sinister Intents]

I got called antiwhite by a liberal who didn't know what that meant.

[Art Vandelay]

It's true. I tagged 9mm in a Stalin picture on Facebook, and one of his friends I don't even know got very angry at us.

Haha that was my Bill Maher loving cousin.

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

Haha that was my Bill Maher loving cousin.

Oh man, we should have pretended to love Stalin!

[Futility Personified]

"you say the rich and the ruling class will not give up power easily, but look at what the 60s accomplished, that was all peace and love and gay people are accepted and racism is gone"

[Lokomotive293]

When they run out of arguments and then scream at you "Go away with your communist propaganda!" Pretty funny, actually.

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

This wasn't even a political discussion. Obviously a dumbass liberal turned it into politics anyway.

Blog-author questioned the Hubert-peak and the people who managed to change the expectations towards their own ideas.
I commented the author, then this major dumbass jumps in between.

He said: "Oil won't run out for at least 500 years."

So I explained to him how physics and biology works and said: "I think it will run out in about 20 to 30 years, because the process requires such specific variables and tons of plant-material to make a couple litres oil."

So he cleverly replied: "You are left so you are always defiant, therefore you're wrong."

[Mark V.]

"I'm not against Capitalism, I'm against corporate greed!"

I almost felt some small amount of physical pain upon hearing this.

[Comrade Nasser]

Dumb stuff Libs say to Anarchists:

"Stop being so edgy your scaring the children!"

"Does Anarchy mean you litter?"

"Do you hate the government?"

"Do you hate Nazis"

"You're so edgy! I'll probably cut myself on your edges!"

[Comrade Nasser]

"I'm not against Capitalism, I'm against corporate greed!"

I almost felt some small amount of physical pain upon hearing this.

>mfw that person was implying that capitalism and corporate greed aren't the same thing

[Art Vandelay]

If you don't want to reform into a capital system, then move from north america.

[Kalinin's Facial Hair]

If you don't want to reform into a capital system, then move from north america.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[human strike]

During a march for a teachers' strike a couple of years ago, the standard (and rather banal) chant of "One solution: Revolution!", was being overused as usual. Members of the ATL union started chanting back "We don't want your revolution, we just want a better pension." It was pretty depressing... :(

[Fourth Internationalist]

"Fascism is a far-left ideology because it puts the state above the individual."

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

"Because of capitalism, washingmachines (and other appliances) became cheaper and cheaper, so more families could buy one. Because of that more women could go to work in stead of staying at home for the childeren and houskeeping. So Capitalism did a lot for Feminism!"

:confused: Wut??

[Aurora]

^ that's true, more efficient means of doing reproductive labour has lead to the benefit of women. With having more free time women confined to the home have been able to better educate and organise themselves.
The guy who invented the post box came to regret it because it empowered women by allowing them to communicate with others outside the home without permission of men. Just as the pill has allowed woman to take control of her own body and change her whole intercourse with society.

The same way the development of technology lays the practical basis for communism, the administration of society by the whole of society requires there be enough time in the work day to fulfill all of societies needs and take charge of administration, this is one of the reasons why a central demand of the communists has been the shortening of the workday.

This is also the basis of the communist emancipation of women, built on the technological means for emancipation communism is the superseding of the forms of slavery in which women live, the responsibilities of the home are transferred from the individual woman to the whole of society and the family from a unit of bondage becomes the free association of individuals.


I'm pretty drunk but that's about right.

[Ele'ill]

dumb stuff that people say at work that makes me want to hurt myself

'it's more than you had before' regarding any raise but in this case a particularly small raise

'the company doesn't make that much' in defense of their own hours getting cut which happened to ruin their plans

'*hardman face* I come to work' fuck you I don't care

[Nevsky]

I saw this one on the imdb forum of the movie "The Killing Fields":

"It was totalitarian Marxism, not communism. Pol Pot just skipped the "motions" of progressive Marxism. Socialism, communism then totalitarian personality cult. Pol Pot just cut to the chase, thats all. Look at Mao's China - it was just as bad, the same can be said for Lenin/Stalin's regimes, Hitler to boot to some extent. Socialism is evil because it always ends the same and always takes the same pathway, the presumption of egalitarianism, that morphs into authoritarianism then totalitarianism [...]."

My eyes are still bleeding...

[Rafiq]

"Because of capitalism, washingmachines (and other appliances) became cheaper and cheaper, so more families could buy one. Because of that more women could go to work in stead of staying at home for the childeren and houskeeping. So Capitalism did a lot for Feminism!"

:confused: Wut??

and what existed before capitalism?

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[MP5]

"Socialism punishes people for being successful" :grin:

"Communism will never happen as their has always been inequality throughout history. It goes against the natural order of things as some people are leaders while others simply follow the leaders"

"Violence is not the way to solve any problems. There are other ways to deal with people willing to protect Capitalism through repression and state sponsored violence then having to resort to using violence" :rolleyes:

"Why the hell would you want a Communist revolution? Look at how bad the USSR was" :laugh:

Those are just a few dandies i can think of right now. I'm sure I'll think of others later

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

"Communism will never happen as their has always been inequality throughout history. It goes against the natural order of things as some people are leaders while others simply follow the leaders"

My head still hurts from trying to explain why that argument is total and utter bullshit. Liberals...unteachable

[MP5]

My head still hurts from trying to explain why that argument is total and utter bullshit. Liberals...unteachable

I hear ya on that :glare: . Honestly unless i have the misfortune of calling these Liberals friends i don't even bother explaing why the statement is such utter bullshit. Even then i usually just say go read "Discourse of the origins of inequality" by Rousseau instead of wasting my time explaining it to them. Them Liberals could do with some reading anyway :sleep:

[Nevsky]

That the European Union is like a soviet dictatorship which steals everyone's hard earned money and that less government would solve the debt crisis.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

That the European Union is like a soviet dictatorship which steals everyone's hard earned money and that less government would solve the debt crisis.

"EUSSR! EUSSR! EUSSR!" -Thinking they are very, very clever.

[ellipsis]

Is global warming is real, why is it so cold here?

[Ele'ill]

Regarding mental health

"Yeah, I've been sad before..."


"Just go on meds. You can't complain if you aren't doing something about it."



"It's a choice to be happy."

[Art Vandelay]

Regarding mental health

"Yeah, I've been sad before..."


"Just go on meds. You can't complain if you aren't doing something about it."



"It's a choice to be happy."

Seriously fuck these kinds of people.

[LOLseph Stalin]

"Without some form of capitalism there wouldn't be many jobs. Where would you work? Not McDonalds. You couldn't be lawyer. How would your boss pay you? There is a lot of people in this world. They need things, food, shelter, vehicles. Who would provide it?"

^Lmao. This was seriously a comment on my Facebook page.

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

"Without some form of capitalism there wouldn't be many jobs. Where would you work? Not McDonalds. You couldn't be lawyer. How would your boss pay you? There is a lot of people in this world. They need things, food, shelter, vehicles. Who would provide it?"

^Lmao. This was seriously a comment on my Facebook page.

I know..."how would you pay for things under communism" :laugh:

[Ele'ill]

briefly after engaging in political discussion with me

"if you don't have anything positive to say then just don't say it"

"why are you so negative"

and one of my favorite liberal tactics

"i'm sorry you're not being clear enough i don't understand" *ends conversation because will never understand* (actually understands knows they're wrong feels silly has ego problems)

[Rugged Collectivist]

"If you hate capitalism so much why don't you go live in the woods?"

"If you like communism so much why don't you move to North Korea?"

[Nevsky]

Again a comment taken from an imdb forum. I found this one on the board of Soderbergh's "Che: Part One":

I see people calling Che a freedom fighter. Che fought for Communism, which by definition takes people's freedom and property AWAY from them. He was a murderous thug who sought to enslave people in socialism. He is a villain who deserved the violent death he received. Only a fool would hold him up as a symbol of freedom, something he actively fought against. If you don't believe that just ask them how much freedom they have in Cuba.

[Doflamingo]

Dumb stuff Libs say to Anarchists:

"Stop being so edgy your scaring the children!"

"Does Anarchy mean you litter?"

"Do you hate the government?"

"Do you hate Nazis"

"You're so edgy! I'll probably cut myself on your edges!"

It's like I'm really on 4chan!

[Mark V.]

I know this has probably been mentioned before but...

"Blah blah human nature blah blah"

[Philosophos]

Well what I hear everyday is just surreal but that's one of the classics: "Communism can't work because nobody is going to pay the police and then we have chaos" :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Comrade Nasser]

"You know that if you're type of government ever came to power you and all you're buddies would be the first to meet the firing squads."

"Don't communists hate gay people though? Don't you guys like hate freedom and individuality?"

"Why don't you move to China?"

"Wait you're a communist? Do you like Obama?"

"You're ideology is dead deal with it!"

"Anarchy is stupid, everyone will kill each other, are you dumb?"

"You're Arabian though. I heard Arabian people don't like communism." (I have no idea where this woman even conceived this from lol so strange.)

"Haha the soviet union collapsed. You lost the war!"

And the list goes on...

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

'Lets ban Ba'athists, Saddamists and Jucheists because they're genocide supporters'

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

If the majority of people wanted this Commuist utopian society, it would have happened by now!

[Vanilla]

Seems like liberals hate communism without even knowing what it is...
"We shouldn't have a communist state. There would be no freedom and plus, capitalism works perfectly fine."

[Lokomotive293]

Seems like liberals hate communism without even knowing what it is...

Why would they hate it if they knew what it was?

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

Why would they hate it if they knew what it was?

Touché!

[Aleksandr Karelin]

"you need to understand islamic terrorism in context of Amercan imperialism"

[Kalinin's Facial Hair]

"you need to understand islamic terrorism in context of Amercan imperialism"

Oh no you didn't.

[Ele'ill]

I can't do a direct quote here but the running current that is based on age that as you get older you have to stop being interested in change or that you have to stop struggling and fighting. I'm not saying that the struggling or fighting does much but it isn't something I can just not do anymore and I don't understand how people can just shut it off and fall in line. I also think that I have an okay balanced life between being a wingnut and citizen with citizen friends (most aren't though) etc.. I like walking in cemeteries, traveling, reading, movies, beer, drinking at bars, meeting people, but there is no off switch to that other actively engaged side of me.

[Akshay!]

"Why are you always so serious?" (whenever they can't respond to your argument)

"You're too political!!"

"Now, don't start again."

[The Intransigent Faction]

Just had to share this fucking gem:

"Well, the media spins things. What would they have done without the factory? They need jobs and resources." - My mom on the tragic factory fire in Bangladesh.

Damn near tossed my dinner across the room after this one.

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

Just had to share this fucking gem:

"Well, the media spins things. What would they have done without the factory? They need jobs and resources." - My mom on the tragic factory fire in Bangladesh.

Damn near tossed my dinner across the room after this one.

Same for me. Saw this liberal post that sort of shit on his blog and had to react.

"Capitalism is the best thing that ever happened to Bangladesh"
If i knew him in person, i'd punch him in the face fro saying shit like that!

[Comrade #138672]

"you need to understand islamic terrorism in context of Amercan imperialism"Isn't that somewhat true, though?

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

Isn't that somewhat true, though?

Yeah that's probably the most painfull part: not even denying it!

[Bostana]

"Communism only works in theory......(then they go on about how the government controls everything in communism)"

[Rugged Collectivist]

"You know that if you're type of government ever came to power you and all you're buddies would be the first to meet the firing squads."

I actually think this one is true. It's still worth a shot though.

[Lokomotive293]

"If you're not a communist at the age of 20, you have no heart. If you're still a communist at the age of 30, you have no brain."

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

"If you're not a communist at the age of 20, you have no heart. If you're still a communist at the age of 30, you have no brain."

SO i have no heart AND no brain? :laugh:

[The Intransigent Faction]

I'm not sure this passes for "liberal", but something a guy I know from my university's debate team just said:

"Ever wonder why people would always demonize Muslims, gays, etc? Same reason people demonize other groups like bankers, "the 1%".

A blanket statement comparing all revolutionary leftists to raging Islamophobes and homophobes? Seriously? I'm just fuming here but I think any response would be a waste of time. As usual just had to vent about that somewhere. Holy hell!

[Brutus]

"Most immigrants do come over here for benefits"
Nearly broke the front door when my step mum said this

[Doflamingo]

Not from a liberal, but from my reactionary cousin.

"The tea-party movement is leftist" :laugh:

[Le Libérer]

Not from a liberal, but from my reactionary cousin.

"The tea-party movement is leftist" :laugh:

Well, if they take up arms and storm the white house like they are talking about, she may have a point. When I saw that posted from this Conservative idiot I know, I posted back, " Yes and the Left thanks you for taking the front line." Y'all hurry and get this started so us Commies can come in and take over. We appreciate y'all!"

:)

[Doflamingo]

Either liberal or conservative, not sure which she is. She said to me

>No money or wages? That would never work.

>So you're saying it's okay to kill people? (When explaining revolution as opposed to revisionism)

[Fourth Internationalist]

"But Israel is (insert defence of Israel by saying they are fighting against terrorism here) and the Palestinians are (insert attack against Palestinians by calling them Moslem terrorists here)"

[Ele'ill]

okay but why do you think that

"BECAUSE I JUST DON'T, OKAY?"

not okay

[Sea]

"No, not Lenin. That's John Lennon who wrote about war and why peace is needed and such."

And that was the first mention of anyone's first names in that conversation. It's also where the conversation ended.


>No money or wages? That would never work. There should be some sort of punishment for saying things like this! :laugh:

[Orange Juche]

'Lets ban Ba'athists, Saddamists and Jucheists because they're genocide supporters'

What the fuck?

[Leftsolidarity]

"We should legalize undocumented immigrants but they should still have some punishment because they broke the law."

Yeah, change the law cuz its fucked but still punish them for said fucked law. Makes perfect sense.

[Dropdead]

''Nazis are as bad as communists!!!!111111''

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

''Nazis are as bad as communists!!!!111111''

Thanks to Stalin for that.

[Brutus]

"But people die in revolutions!"

Well done... *sarcastic clapping*

[Ele'ill]

"but you're not a girl"

[Ele'ill]

"but it does some good"

[Ele'ill]

"you're out of your mind"

you don't even know what it's like to have your mind

[Comrade Samuel]

Not from a liberal, but from my reactionary cousin.

"The tea-party movement is leftist" :laugh:

Relative to Nazism, maybe.

[The Intransigent Faction]

Thanks to Stalin for that.

Yeah, it's Stalin's fault that people make stupid statements which show no understanding of history or political theory without bothering to do their research first, just to appear "smart". Typical anarchist. :rolleyes:

I kid, of course...sort of.

I'm well aware of the shit Stalin did, but it's no excuse for this mind-numbingly ignorant buffoonery that tries to equate Nazism and Communism. :D

[helot]

My partners dad made me laugh uncontrollably before with this little gem: "you want to take away what people have worked hard for"

[Fawkes]

I'm not racist, but

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

Yeah, it's Stalin's fault that people make stupid statements which show no understanding of history or political theory without bothering to do their research first, just to appear "smart". Typical anarchist. :rolleyes:

I kid, of course...sort of.

I'm well aware of the shit Stalin did, but it's no excuse for this mind-numbingly ignorant buffoonery that tries to equate Nazism and Communism. :D

I'd say it's 30% Stalin and 70% ignorance.

[Vanilla]

My partners dad made me laugh uncontrollably before with this little gem: "you want to take away what people have worked hard for"

and of course "no one will have any incentive to work anymore" :rolleyes:

[Le Communiste]

On my economics exam, one of the questions was " in pure socialism. Who owns the means of production?"
The two meaningful answers where
A. The government
B. the workers

I picked the answer he wanted, not the one that was right:rolleyes:

[Bardo]

^Should have chose B and written a long explanation ;)

There are lots of anti-left arguments by liberals, though some of those that want to favor the left are just as annoying.

"The post office is socialist"

"Socialism works in Europe"

etc

[Vanilla]

A lot of liberals seem to think that England is socialist. One time a liberal wrote:


And Socialism’s not exactly a walk in the park either.

Just look at the fact that in England they decided at around the age of 10 what school a child will go to and depending on where they send them it can affect what jobs they will get.



I really have no idea what socialism has to do with any of that stuff going on in England's educational system.

They also said:


If the market is sexist well the market can right it’s self.

I don't even know what they were trying to say

[Flying Purple People Eater]

"I'm not a feminist - I'm an egalitarian."

"Welfare is the pinnacle of communism."

"In communism, everyone is equal and gets paid equal, thus most people do no work. This is why the USSR collapsed.":laugh:

[Rugged Collectivist]

Just look at the fact that in England they decided at around the age of 10 what school a child will go to and depending on where they send them it can affect what jobs they will get.

What are they talking about? You don't get to pick which school you go to in the US either.

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

"Socialism is where everyone is forced to be equal"

"There would be even more surveillance in a communist society"

"Revolutions can't happen anymore, i learned that in a history lesson"

[Bardo]

"Revolutions can't happen anymore, i learned that in a history lesson"

lol what?

This is a quote from a conservative, but amazing nonetheless:


America is now a socialist economy. The definition of a socialist economy is when 50% or more of your economy is dependent on the federal government.

Keep in mind this conservative was a getting regular national air time and was running in a high profile senate race. :D

[Craig_J]

One that I've heard a few times:

Liberal: "Communism doesn't work"
Me: "Why not?"
Liberal: "It just doesn't"

At this point I never know whether to carry on or give up.

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

"but how does anyone turn a profit!"


oh my god whyyy

[Flying Purple People Eater]

"Israel needs extra land for it's growing population, hence the Egyptian war. Anyone who disagrees is an anti-semite."

It's funny how you can draw distinctions between Israel-defenders and the fucking third-reich, lol. Jewish lebensraum, folks! Piss off levanters!

[Bardo]

"The beauty of capitalism is that you have a choice. Nothing is stopping you from moving onto a commune and living under communism."

Heard this beaut yesterday.

[Doflamingo]

"Not all Republicans are bad, just the tea party."

[Flying Purple People Eater]

"All governments reflect the opinions of their populations."

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

"All governments reflect the opinions of their populations."

No...they didn't say that...noone is that stupid...i hope

[Flying Purple People Eater]

No...they didn't say that...noone is that stupid...i hope

The guy who said it is also someone who thinks that muslims should be deported, so it more or less fits in with his level of stupid.

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

The guy who said it is also someone who thinks that muslims should be deported, so it more or less fits in with his level of stupid.

That makes sense.

[Red Banana]

"Oh trust me, I've read the communist manifesto. I know all about communism and why it can't work."

This one nearly made me pull my hair out today. The sad part is if you take out the last 5 words, you'll see some radicals spew this one out too.

[International_Solidarity]

Been said but whatever, I hear it a lot "Communism looks good on paper but doesn't work in real life"

"Without capitalism you wouldn't have those clothes, and you wouldn't be able to buy food!"

"Stop being so negative"

"Communism is irrelevant. We already got workers rights from the Roosevelts!"

"You should be grateful for the things Capitalism has given you!"

"Its the republicans' fault that Obama hasn't been able to live up to his promises!"

"Karl Marx.... but he killed millions of people!" (Yeah, not even kidding)

"I'm a socialist, of course I support Obama!" (My fucking god when I heard that I almost punched a whole in the wall)

"Haven't you ever read 1984 or Animal Farm? Socialism can't work!"

This list could go on forever.... >.<

I love how, no matter what my mood, 5 minutes reading this thread gets me unspeakably pissed off. :laugh:

[Landsharks eat metal]

"Karl Marx.... but he killed millions of people!" (Yeah, not even kidding)

Holy shit I laughed so hard at this

[ВАЛТЕР]

"Even if you give everyone the same amount of money, some people will spend it all and others will invest it. That's why socialism doesn't work."

Mind you this was after I sat there and explained that the class struggle was a struggle for control over the means of production and that the class who controls the means of production controls society. I don't want your damn pie, I want the oven that's making it.

I remember just looking at the guy and asking him if he was at all present during the last 10 minutes or so of our discussion.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Holy shit I laughed so hard at this
People got nothin' to worry about. But streetlights, streetlights beware; Marx is around the corner, drunk with his homies, armed and dangerous. Aw shit.

[Vanilla]

The other day I told a liberal friend that I wanted to own a gun to protect myself. I'm only about 5 feet tall and I don't have much self-defense training so I thought that owning a gun would be rational. My liberal friend disagreed. She was all like, "Really? You want a gun? When would you ever need a gun? Couldn't you just call the police if something happens?" I wanted to punch her in the face.

[slum]

not to detract from how wrong liberals are about the police and guns, but if you're female owning a gun significantly increases your chance of being killed by a partner. you're also likely to be criminalized for defending yourself- look up marissa alexander. it sucks and i dont have a better solution, but it's something to keep in mind when considering self defense.

on topic:

"raising awareness in lots of people is what makes [political/environmental/social] change happen"

[Fourth Internationalist]

"EUSSR!"

All the time... :(

[Comrade #138672]

"EUSSR!"

All the time... :(True. You hear this a lot, but I wouldn't say these people are saying that because they are liberals.

[LOLseph Stalin]

"Deng Xiaoping was one of the greatest men of the 20th century." Yes, I had somebody say that to me this morning. He also proceeded to go on and say Deng didn't bring sweat shops to China and that they already existed under Mao.

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

"EUSSR!"

All the time... :(

I'm not all that with Stalin, so i just can't care about it.

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

"Well, your heart is in the right place...."

[The Intransigent Faction]

"While I don't usually advocate other people boycott the olympics, I generally refuse to watch them. I don't need to have called for boycotts previously to have decided enough is enough. If you think this makes me a hypocrite, fine; but, don't expect me to agree with you. Additionally, for all the problems Canada or America has, it's hilarious to even compare them to Russia or China in terms of the systemic violence and oppression."

This from a self-described "liberal" who wants to boycott the Russian Olympics.
Should I even fucking bother typing out a list of U.S. government crimes for him, or just let him delude himself?

[BIXX]

"While I don't usually advocate other people boycott the olympics, I generally refuse to watch them. I don't need to have called for boycotts previously to have decided enough is enough. If you think this makes me a hypocrite, fine; but, don't expect me to agree with you. Additionally, for all the problems Canada or America has, it's hilarious to even compare them to Russia or China in terms of the systemic violence and oppression."

This from a self-described "liberal" who wants to boycott the Russian Olympics.
Should I even fucking bother typing out a list of U.S. government crimes for him, or just let him delude himself?

Please try. We can't have this idiocy in the world. I think it will literally kill me.


And though it's been said again and again in this thread, liberals always say
"Neither capitalism not communism is the answer, socialism is. Just look at Canada."


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[Ace High]

I remember liberals used to use this ridiculous analogy to explain the difference between capitalism, communism, and socialism:

"Capitalism is where you raise two cows and you keep both and their milk."
"Socialism is where the government takes your cows but you get some milk."
"Communism is where the government takes both of your cows and you get no milk."

Literally what my 8th grade history teacher told us.

[The Intransigent Faction]

Please try. We can't have this idiocy in the world. I think it will literally kill me.


And though it's been said again and again in this thread, liberals always say
"Neither capitalism not communism is the answer, socialism is. Just look at Canada."


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Ah crap, you encouraged me.

The forecast calls for an 85% chance of a liberal shitstorm.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

"Deng Xiaoping was one of the greatest men of the 20th century." Yes, I had somebody say that to me this morning. He also proceeded to go on and say Deng didn't bring sweat shops to China and that they already existed under Mao.

Erm, heh. They do realize that a fair amount of his economic reforms were flops, with his Brilliant and Glorious Tenure starting off with an annual 25% inflation, and the fact that his Magnificent and Glorious education reform led to 80% of people dropping out in the 80's

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

Erm, heh. They do realize that a fair amount of his economic reforms were flops, with his Brilliant and Glorious Tenure starting off with an annual 25% inflation, and the fact that his Magnificent and Glorious education reform led to 80% of people dropping out in the 80's

Let's also not forget that he's partly responsible for the Tianamen massacre.

[G4b3n]

For my fellow anarchists out there, you already know what it is.

Liberal: Anarchy is chaos!
Me: No it isn't, it is a organized socioeconomic system that rejects social hierarchy
Liberal: Since when?
Me: Only about a 140 years or so, you didn't get the news?

[BIXX]

Ah crap, you encouraged me.

The forecast calls for an 85% chance of a liberal shitstorm.

Good luck, comrade. If you need asylum our doors are open.

[Rugged Collectivist]

I remember liberals used to use this ridiculous analogy to explain the difference between capitalism, communism, and socialism:

"Capitalism is where you raise two cows and you keep both and their milk."
"Socialism is where the government takes your cows but you get some milk."
"Communism is where the government takes both of your cows and you get no milk."

Literally what my 8th grade history teacher told us.

I'm so glad I was largely spared from this shit. The first time I heard the word bourgeoisie was in history class. My teacher was explaining that the rise of the bourgeoisie and their subsequent conflict with the aristocracy was a major factor in the lead up to the French revolution. But then this was the same teacher who demonstrated what the USSR was like by making us take a test with pencils (that he provided because everyone gets the same everything hurr durr) and yelled at us for talking (more the usual).

[BIXX]

I'm so glad I was largely spared from this shit. The first time I heard the word bourgeoisie was in history class. My teacher was explaining that the rise of the bourgeoisie and their subsequent conflict with the aristocracy was a major factor in the lead up to the French revolution. But then this was the same teacher who demonstrated what the USSR was like by making us take a test with pencils (that he provided because everyone gets the same everything hurr durr) and yelled at us for talking (more the usual).

My history teacher's analogy of capitalism is that he gave everyone a few (3) pieces of paper. Everyone would play Rock Paper Scissors, and if you lost you left the game. Me and two other student were still in the game when enstopped it. It turned out that the two other players had started out with 18 pieces of paper.

Maybe I'm a born capitalist. :laugh:

His analogy was the normal everyone gets the same (but only because he didn't have enough time to teach more).

[International_Solidarity]

I explained to this person the difference between Communism and Socialism(the transition). I also explained to him that theories like Anarcho-Communism exist. . . . Anyway, Im going to post a direct quote(Im sorry for the offensive language):
"You literally have down syndrome, that's how fucking stupid you are! Anarchy = 0% govt, it literally translates to 'no rulers'. Communism = 100% govt monopoly run by psychopaths/bankers. Marx was buried in the financial part of London and Nelson Rockefeller commissioned a Mural with himself, Marx and Trotsky etc on it! Anthony Sutton also proved how bankers invented and actually LOVE socialism ie communism. They are satanists and want mongoloid idiots like you to worship 'the(ir) state' as god."

. . . . LOL!!!!! :laugh:

[ВАЛТЕР]

I explained to this person the difference between Communism and Socialism(the transition). I also explained to him that theories like Anarcho-Communism exist. . . . Anyway, Im going to post a direct quote(Im sorry for the offensive language):
"You literally have down syndrome, that's how fucking stupid you are! Anarchy = 0% govt, it literally translates to 'no rulers'. Communism = 100% govt monopoly run by psychopaths/bankers. Marx was buried in the financial part of London and Nelson Rockefeller commissioned a Mural with himself, Marx and Trotsky etc on it! Anthony Sutton also proved how bankers invented and actually LOVE socialism ie communism. They are satanists and want mongoloid idiots like you to worship 'the(ir) state' as god."

. . . . LOL!!!!! :laugh:

Sounds more like you have an Alex Jones conspiracy nut on your hands than a liberal. lmao

[Comrade Jacob]

"Violence never solves anything" "WAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"Far-left is just as bad as the Far-right"
"I'm sure we can reach a negotiation on ideals"
"If we just stop arguing policy we will get things done"

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

I explained to this person the difference between Communism and Socialism(the transition). I also explained to him that theories like Anarcho-Communism exist. . . . Anyway, Im going to post a direct quote(Im sorry for the offensive language):
"You literally have down syndrome, that's how fucking stupid you are! Anarchy = 0% govt, it literally translates to 'no rulers'. Communism = 100% govt monopoly run by psychopaths/bankers. Marx was buried in the financial part of London and Nelson Rockefeller commissioned a Mural with himself, Marx and Trotsky etc on it! Anthony Sutton also proved how bankers invented and actually LOVE socialism ie communism. They are satanists and want mongoloid idiots like you to worship 'the(ir) state' as god."

. . . . LOL!!!!! :laugh:

.....Ouch.

That hurt my brains.

.......ow....

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Communism = 100% govt monopoly run by psychopaths/bankers.

This is just historically incorrect. I'd usually say that you shouldn't respond to this, but there is so much contrary evidence to this that you can literally drown him in it.


Marx was buried in the financial part of London and Nelson Rockefeller commissioned a Mural with himself, Marx and Trotsky etc on it!

It actually has Lenin on it, and was painted by Diego Rivera to be a part of Rockefeller's 'Man at the Crossroads' mural, where the political and industrial possibilities of the 20th century were to be captured in painting. Rockefeller didn't even know what Rivera was going to paint, only that he was a good artist and wanted a painting of that theme.

Funnily enough, Rockefeller actually requested Rivera to remove Lenin from the painting to which Rivera threatened that he and his assistants would go on strike. (http://www.diego-rivera.org/rockefellercontroversy.html) Rockefeller then destroyed the mural, but Rivera remade it for the Independent Labour Institute, of which he was a member.


Even with this all considered, how this translates into Marxian economics having flaws, or communism being anything other than public ownership over the means of production, is beyond me. Just sounds like your usual Alex Jones fearmongering.


Anthony Sutton also proved how bankers invented and actually LOVE socialism ie communism.

Some of the first communist slogans were pseudo-political ones such as 'burn the banks.' where is this guy getting this shit? Whale.com?

Why would communists support 'banks' when banks are nothing more than money capital? This guy's pulling shit right out of his ass.


They are satanists and want mongoloid idiots like you to worship 'the(ir) state' as god."


mongoloid idiots like you


mongoloid

This guy needs a kick to the face, not a debate.

[International_Solidarity]

I'd usually say that you shouldn't respond to this, but there is so much contrary evidence to this that you can literally drown him in it.

I sent him a huge response. He replied two days later and said,

"Stop listening to propaganda made by PSYCHOPATHS" and then blocked me.



This guy needs a kick to the face, not a debate.
Yeah, he got to hide behind his computer screen. He disgusted me, it was really really difficult to stay away from ad hominem on this one.

[International_Solidarity]

"Marx was smart because he called for a long transition. Marxists are too Utopian. Marx was okay, but I oppose Marxism because Marxists are too Utopian. Marx thought that it would be a natural transition, and maybe he's right"

^--- taken directly from the words of a Social Democrat.
Not like Marx called for Revolution or anything, and it isn't as if Marxists (in-line with Marx) criticize/criticized Utopian Socialists more than almost any other group.

[The Intransigent Faction]

Good luck, comrade. If you need asylum our doors are open.

So, I did...silence, and a week later he's right back saying the same fucking thing.
Yeah...whatever.

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

"Socialized medicine = Marxist Fascism!"

(Ok, I kind of cheated since this was from a conservative....but he's a libertarian so he still counts).

[danyboy27]

the shit i hear often from liberal:
Well, there must be some kind of middle ground somehow!

my usual answer: you cant stay neutral on a moving train.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

the shit i hear often from liberal:
Well, there must be some kind of middle ground somehow!

my usual answer: you cant stay neutral on a moving train.

Imagine that liberal in 18th and 19th century America.

"Hmm slavery or freedom, there must be some kind of a middle ground somehow!" Well, I guess that's why so many of them cheer on pre-maoist Tibet, what with unbreakable conditions of serfdom the Llamas rejoiced over.

As Slavoj Zizek puts it so perfectly bluntly, 'when you do not takes sides in a matter of oppression, you have already violently taken sides (with the oppressors).'

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

'Communism will lead to everyone being poor'

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

'You have to work within the system, otherwise you'll get nowhere.'

[Flying Purple People Eater]

'You have to work within the system, otherwise you'll get nowhere.'

The rungs torn from the ladder ... can't reach the tumor!

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Was literally told planting a garden is "useful" when it comes to fighting the system :laugh:

[Rafiq]

This is just historically incorrect. I'd usually say that you shouldn't respond to this, but there is so much contrary evidence to this that you can literally drown him in it.



It actually has Lenin on it, and was painted by Diego Rivera to be a part of Rockefeller's 'Man at the Crossroads' mural, where the political and industrial possibilities of the 20th century were to be captured in painting. Rockefeller didn't even know what Rivera was going to paint, only that he was a good artist and wanted a painting of that theme.

Funnily enough, Rockefeller actually requested Rivera to remove Lenin from the painting to which Rivera threatened that he and his assistants would go on strike. (http://www.diego-rivera.org/rockefellercontroversy.html) Rockefeller then destroyed the mural, but Rivera remade it for the Independent Labour Institute, of which he was a member.


Even with this all considered, how this translates into Marxian economics having flaws, or communism being anything other than public ownership over the means of production, is beyond me. Just sounds like your usual Alex Jones fearmongering.



Some of the first communist slogans were pseudo-political ones such as 'burn the banks.' where is this guy getting this shit? Whale.com?

Why would communists support 'banks' when banks are nothing more than money capital? This guy's pulling shit right out of his ass.







This guy needs a kick to the face, not a debate.

Didn't Lenin theoretically alter the marxian conception of capitalist relations to basically categorize bankers as the new ruling class?

[Sinister Intents]

"You're a communist? But don't they believe the same stuff as the KKK and wanna kill every one?"

[TaylorS]

The CPUSA is revolutionary. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

That was probably me back in 2003 when I was a stupid teenager! :lol:

[Fourth Internationalist]

Why are you a communist? You're not even Russian

Yes, this really has happened.

[TaylorS]

"Marxism is an outdated, materialist, scientistic ideology"

Said by a New Age woo-woo-head Eco-Luddite Left-Liberal.

[TaylorS]

Why are you a communist? You're not even Russian

Yes, this really has happened.

I get the "Go live in Cuba or North Korea" BS a lot.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

"You're a communist? But don't they believe the same stuff as the KKK and wanna kill every one?"

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0Dzn_xAYKdE/UP28B4zt9hI/AAAAAAAAD70/x5BDIC7awhk/s640/KKK+poster+Birmingham,+AL+1933.jpg

[the debater]

Is this real? :confused: The poster warning "Negros" to not join communist organizations?

[Remus Bleys]

Unions are an inherently capitalist ideology.
I wouldn't call pre-castro cuba capitalist
(Immediately followed by)
Poland was not soviet imperialism. It was a clear case showinhg socialism is subject to the same failures as capitalism.

[Remus Bleys]

You want to take away my rights!
What rights?
My right to property.
Do you own a means of production? Do you own a huge piece of land you aren't using? Do you own a place full of rich minerals?
No.
Then I don't want to take away your "property"
Yes you do.
*sigh* what other rights.
Just property. That's enough.

[Rugged Collectivist]

You want to take away my rights!
What rights?
My right to property.
Do you own a means of production? Do you own a huge piece of land you aren't using? Do you own a place full of rich minerals?
No.
Then I don't want to take away your "property"
Yes you do.
*sigh* what other rights.
Just property. That's enough.

Even better, when people say "Well what If I want to own those things some day!". As if disinterest is the only thing stopping them.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Is this real? :confused: The poster warning "Negros" to not join communist organizations?

Yes it is real. Fear was one of the KKK's primary tactics (the whole white outfit was because the originals thought that black people were stupid and would think they were ghosts), and they consistently put up signs 'warning' black people of joining progressive organisations because the 'KKK will be after you".

They did it extensively during the black Civil rights movement.

I'd suggest this website for more info: http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/ku-klux-klan

[Skyhilist]

"There's a big wealth gap in this country so lets just tax rich people more and assume it'll solve all of our problems."

[The Intransigent Faction]

"Having nobles has nothing to do with being a democracy, unless you think countries like the United Kingdom in the present day world aren't democracies?"

Ugh...yeah, that's what I think. Fucking hell...

[Le Socialiste]

"Signing petitions won't do you any good..."

Me: :)

"...What you need to do is write a letter to your representative."

Me: :(

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

"There are too many people on this planet" - No there fucking isn't, it's the world's resources that are being mismanaged and misdirected for the purposes of profit. Also, we don't need to reduce population in order to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

Of all the liberal canards, the "overpopulation" one annoys me the most. I know I mentioned it in the previous thread, but I saw a typical brain-dead liberal post elsewhere that provided an uncomfortable reminder. Part of the reason it annoys me is because it effectively serves the purpose of blaming the world's poorest and most disenfranchised for the situation in which they find themselves. I can't help but notice that these neo-Malthusian liberals never advocate that we reduce the amount of Americans or Europeans in the world, but instead insinuate that the phantom problem of "overpopulation" should be dealt with by reducing the numbers of people in places like India, Africa and South America. This is despite the fact that Africa and South America are not the most population-dense continents.

Sometimes I wonder if in the future this "overpopulation" rhetoric will mutate into something far nastier if it isn't countered often enough today. Sort of like an "acceptably" liberal version of the "useless eaters (http://www.regent.edu/acad/schedu/uselesseaters/)" mythology.

[Ocean Seal]

Them: You're a communist? But Cuba is so poor?
Me: Most of the world is pretty poor. Cuba actually has a high literacy rate, and I think that for all its flaws we...
Them: Let me stop you there. If you really love Cuba why don't you leave here.
Me: B/c I'd rather bring Cuba here :laugh:.
Them: :ohmy:

[adipocere]

The Queen is just a figurehead...

[Comrade Samuel]

"The world is shit- everything is absolute shit. The closest thing we'll ever get to true happiness is eating Mcdonalds and buying Nike shoes and its only a matter of time until the Chineese take that from us too...then we'll have nothing left." -basically every American liberal living beneath the poverty line

[Red_Banner]

"Obamacare is a step closer to single payer."

:rolleyes:

[Flying Purple People Eater]

"Obama is center-left".

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

"you call yourself a communist!? You fascist bastard"

how the living fuck can you say that without irony even if you are a stupid fucking economics fresher who is so home counties it hurts.

i mean, it was in a semi-joking tone but after a bit of chatter it turns out this guy bought into the whole "it's more like a political circle" thing REAL hard.

[Quail]

I hate it when people think politics goes in a circle. It really makes no sense at all.

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

its the whole shebang you're served in secondary school (at least here) where communism = fascism and liberal centrism sits right at the top. I can understand taking that in aged 12-16 or something but I'd expect a 19-year old doing economics to have a somewhat more nuanced view of politics

[Mark V.]

Marx is useful, not as an alternative to capitalism, but as a critique of it.

It's actually kinda funny to see people back track like this when faced with the failures of Capitalism.

[Thirsty Crow]

"Having nobles has nothing to do with being a democracy, unless you think countries like the United Kingdom in the present day world aren't democracies?"

Ugh...yeah, that's what I think. Fucking hell...You're wrong then, honestly.

[Rafiq]

The UK doesn't actually have nobles though, in their historical context.

[Thirsty Crow]

The UK doesn't actually have nobles though, in their historical context.
How does it not? The noble family of...whatever, I can't recall, produces the heir to the throne. What about the Duke of Norfolk, for instance?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nobility

[Rafiq]

How does it not? The noble family of...whatever, I can't recall, produces the heir to the throne. What about the Duke of Norfolk, for instance?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nobility

I know but the nobility had a specific relation to Feudal class society that simply makes their existence today merely... Cosmetic.

[Thirsty Crow]

I know but the nobility had a specific relation to Feudal class society that simply makes their existence today merely... Cosmetic.
Yeah that's true. That's why I said in the first place that it is not true that countries such as the UK do not represent democracies.

[motion denied]

It's actually kinda funny to see people back track like this when faced with the failures of Capitalism.

That's really amazing. "Marx got somethings right about capitalism. Revolution? Oh, no that's where he misses it completely".

Lovely.

[Ocean Seal]

I'm not a racist but

http://i.imgur.com/60qUzwL.png

[Hrafn]

I'm not a racist but

[image]

Claims. Yeah jesus christ I hated that post.

[Brotto Rühle]

"The Soviet Union was a workers state....though degenerate"

[Firebrand]

"People in third world countries shouldn't go on strike. At least they have jobs and they should be grateful for them"

[Rurkel]

"People in third world countries shouldn't go on strike. At least they have jobs and they should be grateful for them"

That's a 'nice' inversion of "people in first world countries shouldn't go on strike, they have it better then third-worlders".

[Flying Purple People Eater]

"People in third world countries shouldn't go on strike. At least they have jobs and they should be grateful for them"

I'm sure that's what the obese coltan barons hiss to congolese child-miners as they have mercury poured into their buckets and AK-47s poked in their faces by hired goons.

Also that person you quoted sounds more like a psychopath than a liberal.

[Aleister Granger]

'The reason communism doesn't work is because no one will have any money'

'People only considered communism good very briefly in the 20th century'

'Nazis are a kind of communist so we shouldn't go that far.'

'It's good in theory but in real life you might as well make Rush Limbaugh or Ron Paul commissars because it will end the same way.'

'Imagine socialism like a donut— I could just stop here, bad grammar and sense and all— everyone likes donuts. But if you give everyone a piece of a donut, its not a donut anymore, just crumbs.'

'Capitalisme piétiné l'âne du communisme. Nous avons besoin de quelque chose de différent.'

'Jesus was a communist, and look at all the good his followers did for the "oppressed masses." '

^'Jesus wasn't real. Maybe Karl Marx wasn't real either.'

'I like communism, but it's like if you gave all the bad students As, all the good students Fs, have the bad students overthrow the teachers and principal, violently repress anyone who does their homework by calling them "class enemies", and called that "The Dictatorship of the Dumb." ' :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::la ugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I don't even know how to top that one. That was brilliant.

[Thirsty Crow]

'The reason communism doesn't work is because no one will have any money'

If I ever heard that coming from a person with a straight face, I'd facepalm myself so epically the facepalm memes would never be the same.

[Aleister Granger]

If I ever heard that coming from a person with a straight face, I'd facepalm myself so epically the facepalm memes would never be the same.

If iPhones were around when I heard this I could have recorded it and shown you just how straight a face these words came from.

[Hermes]

I know this comes up in pretty much every thread, but when people, especially professors, etc, refer to "human nature".

Huh. Well, might as well let us out of the class early and cancel it in the morning, since there's obviously nothing we can do about it.

While talking about governments that are able to control/'rationalize' that 'nature'. Governments made of... what? Squid? Aliens?

All while throwing in population/Hardin and the Tragedy of the Commons.

[DasFapital]

"I am a socialist"
"So you think workers should own the means of production?"
'Well I think we should have a mixed economy."

[GerrardWinstanley]

'Yes, Israel is doing awful things, but spare a thought for those struggling against Assad too.' (Mehdi Hasan actually said words to that effect during the Gaza massacre last November)

'Criticising Israel is all well and good, but I take it you oppose that evil Nazi gulag China's occupation of Tibet too?'

'There you go again. Blaming the West for everything. SPARE ME YOUR WHITE GUILT!' (automatic liberal reflex to any mention of imperialism or colonialism)

'I can't believe you just said that. You wouldn't dare say that about a black person.'

'The fact you fight fascists instead of listening to them just goes to show illiberal you are.'

'What do you mean you think police budget cuts are a good thing?'

[Aleister Granger]

'Although there are differences in wealth there is no such thing as classes. That's just propaganda communists want you to believe to justify killing millions of people and causing property damage.'
It's hard to believe this could have come from anything but a right-wing mouth. And I mean I had to check this guy's credentials to make sure he wasn't a plant.

[Ocean Seal]

I'm sure that's what the obese coltan barons hiss to congolese child-miners as they have mercury poured into their buckets and AK-47s poked in their faces by hired goons.

Also that person you quoted sounds more like a psychopath than a liberal.
What's the difference?

[Rugged Collectivist]

'Imagine socialism like a donut— I could just stop here, bad grammar and sense and all— everyone likes donuts. But if you give everyone a piece of a donut, its not a donut anymore, just crumbs.'

Even if this were true, what would be the alternative? Give the donut to one person while everyone else gets nothing? Surely crumbs are better than nothing at all.

[Landsharks eat metal]

Even if this were true, what would be the alternative? Give the donut to one person while everyone else gets nothing? Surely crumbs are better than nothing at all.

Yeah, but what kind of asshole brings just one donut for a whole group of people anyway? Fuck them.

[The Intransigent Faction]

"What the hell is child poverty? When I was in middle school I made $0. That's the definition of being poor. Every child is poor!"

I HOPE this guy is just f***ing with me. :glare:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

"What the hell is child poverty? When I was in middle school I made $0. That's the definition of being poor. Every child is poor!"

I HOPE this guy is just f***ing with me. :glare:

Are you sure this guy is a liberal? All the ones I've encountered at least pay lip service to the concept of child poverty. The overly-simplistic reasoning sounds more in line with American conservatism.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

Anything said about JFK

[Taters]

Anything said about JFK

butbutbut civil rights movement! space! meth!

[Rugged Collectivist]

Ancaps, while not strictly liberal in the American sense, are often dumb nonetheless.

"Human beings are greedy and self serving and this is a part of their immutable human nature, but they would totes agree to follow the non aggression principle in the absence of the state"

[Sinister Intents]

"People like to eat Jay" said by my mother in response to me speaking of socialism.

[Remus Bleys]

Vote Sawant
Join the CWI
etc etc

[Questionable]

To summarize what a liberal's argument was after she saw me complaining about my job on FB.

"I think healthcare is a fundamental right too, but you should just be thankful you have a job in this economy."

[Fourth Internationalist]

1. "True capitalism, not crony capitalism."

2. Any comment about how Pope Francis is a new and positive figure in the world.

3. The slogans: "For the People" and "the 99%"

[ed miliband]

"i love paying tax, i wish we could pay more!" / "taxation is great!"

nah.