Nero or the jews

[Monty Cantsin]

There’s a line in the bible that reads the 7 headed beast of Babylon must burn, I always thought they were referring to Rome because of its 7 hills and that line was preformed in 64 A.D when Rome burnt down. There’s also many other facts linking of Jews to the burning of Rome it was on this doco on history channel.

So what do you think burnt down 10 of the 14 districts in Rome Nero or The Jews?

[Al Creed]

Nero did it

[Monty Cantsin]

why do you think so? you've got to have more then that.

[Al Creed]

Well, from what I read, Nero was incompetant, that his mother was running the country with him as her puppet. After he had her assassinated, he was lost without her, and needed a surefire (pardon the pun) way to garner the favour of the Romans, and Breads and Circuses weren't doing the job.

So, he, through a few hired henchmen, set Rome ablaze, and used the Christians as a scapegoat.

[Monty Cantsin]

the fire started in a slum area downtown called the Subura which had many Christians and Jews. then the second fire started in Nero’s right hand man's house. if that isn’t the best place to frame someone i don’t know what is. so you've got all these people pissed off with the empire because its decadent and had taken there homeland. As I said before they also wrote about it in the bible. Also the punishments that the Christians got were that firer lighters would normally get.

Tacitus wrote about this in 109 A.C.E. so he was not there to see the fires himself. Or even close after. Now think about this statement he who controls the present controls the pass….

So if the history of the great fire was written when Christians were more accepted then who’s the say they didn’t put there own slant on things.

I think there’s a high chance that it was the Christians because they had the motive the means and then they wrote about it in the bible. There was also a proficies that a star would rise and that Christians all around the empire would rise to arms now, that was on the day of that the fire started and a bit down the road a rebellion started in Jordan.

[Kez]

:huh: <===does this look like a face that gives a shit?

[Hawker]

It was definately Nero,I mean the guy was a sick fuck,he was a child molester,sexually harassed senators wives,and acted like he was Hercules and fought in fixed games in the Colosseum.

[Soviet power supreme]

What about accident?

The houses were very flamable at that time,They were high and wooden.The Rome was over-populated.The Fires were very often seen in the Roman cities.

[Iron Star]

Actually its been found that the early Christians really did burn Rome. Nero persecuted them because he saw them as a "radical Jewish sect". I guess Nero wasn&#39;t even in Rome when it burned.

[monkeydust]

This is actually one of the few things I know a lot about, and it is a very few things so its convinient you asked the question.

Obviously, as the event was a long time ago and evidence is very lacking, we cannot be absolutely certain what happened. However, I&#39;ve come to the conclusion that it was most likely the case that the fire was started by accident, probably by someone drunk on the night.

I&#39;m almost certain Nero didn&#39;t do it, it wasn&#39;t in his character, he wasn&#39;t hugely bloodthirsty and many reports claim he wasn&#39;t even there on the night.

I&#39;m also pretty certain that it wasn&#39;t the Christians either, Nero blamed it on them later because essentially they were an easy target; disliked because they were an affront to all that Roman religion stood for. A major reason why Nero is viewed as such a tyrant is actually because Nero used them as a scapegoat and guess he wrote all the history books for the next 1800 years, almost exclusively Christian monks or Christians in general.

Euripides mentioned that Tacitus wrote in the 2nd century however, he was around shortly after being born late in Nero&#39;s reign. To understand why Nero is portrayed as a tyrant in Tacitus one has to understand first what Roman history was about. The works were put into books but as most of the population were illiterate the histories were read aloud. As a consequence Tacitus&#39;s work is dramatised to be good literature as well as history. The blaming of the fire on Nero is a dramatisation and his depiction as a tyrant is actually du to the values of the time.

Nero was actually viewed as a tyrant largely because he did not advocate violent games to a huge extent. Nero tried to be a musician and an actor, these jobs were traditionally taken up by slaves and as such he was viewed as an affront to Roman traditional values, this is largely why the aristocracy (who wrote the histrory) disliked Nero.

That said he was very odd and did build the Golden house

[Monty Cantsin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 07:40 PM
It was definately Nero,I mean the guy was a sick fuck,he was a child molester,sexually harassed senators wives,and acted like he was Hercules and fought in fixed games in the Colosseum.
Where did you get your information some online sources if you would please?

[Monty Cantsin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 01:54 PM
:huh: <===does this look like a face that gives a shit?
thats fine if you dont care but other people do there&#39;s more to talk about in life then left wing Politics.