Seattle mayor orders police to dismantle its drone program after protests

[Os Cangaceiros]

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/02/major-privacy-victory-seattle-mayor-orders-police-not-use-surveillance-drones

Some good news for a change!

[B5C]

Us Washingtonians love our privacy and also the SPD has a history of beating up minorities and the mentally ill, so we don't trust them.

[skitty]

"Township supervisors are taking a dim view of anyone who may want to use a remote-controlled airplane to get a birds-eye view of another property.

In addition to providing regulations for dealing with junked cars, garbage, and high grass on private properties, a nuisance ordinance township supervisors reviewed at their meeting Thursday includes a section barring the flying of remote-controlled planes over properties without permission.

Specifically, the ordinance prohibits "the operation of remote controlled or other non-tethered aircraft over property not owned by the operator and without permission of the property owner."

On Thursday, supervisors singled out that section as a unique and valued regulation to address the specter of small, private spy planes flying above a property and recording video of what is below."

This is a smallish township near me; and I have no idea if they are thinking about drones....

[BIXX]

Yeah, those are drones. I honestly don't think the drones being instituted in the US overall would be a bad thing. Don't get me wrong, I think the drones are evil, but I think they will make people angry at the government and more willing to revolt. I mean, it could be the straw the broke the camel's back, you know?
I do know that I will destroy any that I can when they are instituted, however.i just hope they incite people against the state, because I think that could be something everyone except liberals (who often support the drones for some reason) could unite against.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Yeah, those are drones. I honestly don't think the drones being instituted in the US overall would be a bad thing.

I think that they're going to have pretty big consequences for the US government, some of which are going to be really irritating and unexpected. Like the Internet, I think that it may turn into a pandora's box of sorts when the technology becomes cheaper and more decentralized.

[The Intransigent Faction]

Yeah, those are drones. I honestly don't think the drones being instituted in the US overall would be a bad thing. Don't get me wrong, I think the drones are evil, but I think they will make people angry at the government and more willing to revolt. I mean, it could be the straw the broke the camel's back, you know?
I do know that I will destroy any that I can when they are instituted, however.i just hope they incite people against the state, because I think that could be something everyone except liberals (who often support the drones for some reason) could unite against.

To a dark place this line of thought will carry us. Great care we must take...

Seriously, though, I understand where you're coming from, but it's a counterproductive and somewhat elitist position to take to support lethal weapons flying over American skies because this will "radicalize workers".

When we wish ill on workers in order to win them over to our way of thinking, this is a manipulative approach that implies we have a place somehow above workers.

Workers who know something is wrong with their situation but are not familiar with Marx's writing and have only been exposed to bourgeois propaganda about communism in general are not going to be won over by a bunch of people sitting in armchairs hoping things get worse for them.



In what relation do the Communists stand to the proletarians as a whole?
The Communists do not form a separate party opposed to the other working-class parties.
They have no interests separate and apart from those of the proletariat as a whole.

[The Intransigent Faction]

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/02/major-privacy-victory-seattle-mayor-orders-police-not-use-surveillance-drones

Some good news for a change!

Good news...until those drones get moved overseas to do more than surveillance. :(

[Os Cangaceiros]

To a dark place this line of thought will carry us. Great care we must take...

Seriously, though, I understand where you're coming from, but it's a counterproductive and somewhat elitist position to take to support lethal weapons flying over American skies because this will "radicalize workers".

When we wish ill on workers in order to win them over to our way of thinking, this is a manipulative approach that implies we have a place somehow above workers.

Workers who know something is wrong with their situation but are not familiar with Marx's writing and have only been exposed to bourgeois propaganda about communism in general are not going to be won over by a bunch of people sitting in armchairs hoping things get worse for them.

In reality Americans (generally speaking) probably won't do shit about any of this. They just don't care, as long as it doesn't noticably interfere with their day-to-day lives and conveniences. I wish it were some other way but it isn't. This logic of "Man, this is totally screwed up, people will have to revolt now!" is what's bankrupt. It's been almost conclusively disproven in my mind, as far as this country goes, over the last five years or so.


Where has he [the tyrant] acquired enough eyes to spy upon you, if you do not provide them yourselves?

[BIXX]

To a dark place this line of thought will carry us. Great care we must take...

Seriously, though, I understand where you're coming from, but it's a counterproductive and somewhat elitist position to take to support lethal weapons flying over American skies because this will "radicalize workers".

When we wish ill on workers in order to win them over to our way of thinking, this is a manipulative approach that implies we have a place somehow above workers.

Workers who know something is wrong with their situation but are not familiar with Marx's writing and have only been exposed to bourgeois propaganda about communism in general are not going to be won over by a bunch of people sitting in armchairs hoping things get worse for them.

I think you are misunderstanding my position. I don't WANT them at all, and I sincerely don't wish ill on the workers. I just am trying to remain positive, in that when they are implemented (cause they will be, I'm willing to bet), it could have benefits for us, even if it's not an ideal situation. I do understand how my post could have seemed like I was wishing ill on the workers though, my apologies for not being more clear.

Also, they aren't lethal weapons. They're essentially remote-controlled helicopters with cameras on them. At least, the ones that the govt. in Oregon is trying to get in. I however do think they are extremely fucked up and when they are introduced I will definitely be spending a lot of my time trying to destroy them or take them out of the skies.

[BIXX]

In reality Americans (generally speaking) probably won't do shit about any of this. They just don't care, as long as it doesn't noticably interfere with their day-to-day lives and conveniences. I wish it were some other way but it isn't. This logic of "Man, this is totally screwed up, people will have to revolt now!" is what's bankrupt. It's been almost conclusively disproven in my mind, as far as this country goes, over the last five years or so.

This worries me, cause I think you're right and it really upsets me. I just wanna believe otherwise.