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Flying Purple People Eater
8th February 2013, 06:22
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/8778946/Europe-bans-despotic-Soviet-hammer-and-sickle-from-commerical-use.html

The European Court of Justice said it was forced to refuse the request on the grounds of public morality, ending a five-year battle by a Russian designer to register the iconic coat of arms as a trademark across the 27-nation European Union.
It stated:"The symbols in question would be seen as contrary to public policy and to accepted principles of morality by a substantial section of the relevant public living in the part of the European Union which has been subject to the Soviet regime."
The court singled out EU member states such as Latvia and the Czech Republic which were either part of the Soviet Union or Soviet satellite states.
It also noted that in Hungary such Soviet-era symbols "are considered to be 'symbols of despotism' and their use is contrary to public policy."
The court's decision was greeted with frustration in Russia where certain Soviet symbols still play a big part in any commemoration of the Second World War and where attempts to outlaw symbols of that era in the former Soviet Union are often seen as historical revisionism.
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"The court's decision is political and reflects a denial of Europe's Soviet past," Konstantin Kantyrev, a lawyer, told local media.
Separately, the tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper ran a bizarre article on the ruling, claiming that Europe was afraid of Soviet symbolism. "The court's decision had little to do with economics or ethics," it said. "It was about politics."
The original Soviet coat of arms was first designed in 1923 and was used with minor modifications until the collapse of the USSR in 1991. It comprised a globe embossed with a hammer and sickle framed by ears of wheat.
A five-pointed red star was placed at its apex and a rising sun at its lower edge. The motto 'Workers of the World Unite!' was inscribed on a red ribbon at the bottom in Russian and in other languages around the coat of arms.

:laugh:

When the going gets tough, ban all their stuff! Also, Pravda still exists?

Questionable
8th February 2013, 06:24
A political organization that accepts fascists into its ranks has no right to tell people what kind of imagery is despotic.

Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant'
8th February 2013, 10:17
Man, it's like they want deeply eurosceptic rightist parties to sweep the polls in upcoming elections (demonise leftist symbols and any groups that have any affiliation to them, allow fascists to enter commitees and wave their flags wherever)
I'm sure there are many coats of arms and national flags that can be connected to any number of historical and current instances of violence, repression, corruption etc.
Just....arrgh the bloody EU

ВАЛТЕР
8th February 2013, 10:38
The EU has some cheek to pull this shit after they allow a known Nazi party to hold a seat on the Human Rights Council.

Mather
9th February 2013, 03:38
I'm sure there are many coats of arms and national flags that can be connected to any number of historical and current instances of violence, repression, corruption etc.

Spot on.

Over the course of it's existence, the British Empire killed more people than Nazi Germany ever did yet I do not see anyone in the EU or it's affiliated institutions calling to have the Union flag and other symbols of the British state banned.

And that is just one example, it can be applied to the symbols of any other European state as well.

Crabbensmasher
9th February 2013, 04:37
Europeans should at least know about their own history. Communism dominated eastern Europe for half a century. It's completely lunatic to try and erase that from the history books. I don't care if they view it immoral or completely just, they should at least come to terms with it.
I heard a study that said like 80% of German High school students couldn't say which political system was run in the GDR (East Germany). It's completely irresponsible to allow that level of ignorance.
I understand completely if they want to teach people that the eastern bloc communist regimes were bad from a human rights point of view, but they've kind of missed the mark on this one. It's like they've just distanced themselves with their own past.

I will point out though, the Baltic States seem to be a notable exception on this one. They have very staunchly anti-soviet views, and there's a lot more knowledge of the crimes committed during that period

As for Russia though, well I think that's a unique situation. Putin seems to be really capitalizing on Soviet nostalgia to win extra votes. He's glorifying the "old days" while simultaneously stealing votes from the opposition Communist Party. Give it a few years though, he won't have to resort to it for long.

Soviet symbolism shouldn't be banned, but people should at least know what the hell it means. Perhaps in a few decades, if people are educated enough, they'll be able to make the call for themselves