Humanism vs. Atheism ???

[DoCt SPARTAN]

I have been a atheist for years, I believe in atheism because god(s) never came to me and spoke, also god only separates people from happiness, poor to rich, slaves to kings. I believe that atheism can unite people and make a better tomorrow for humanity!!!

-does this make me a Humanist

Also I heard it is a cult???
...is this true

Thanks!

[Mackenzie_Blanc]

To the extent that you want the best for humanity, I'd say your a humanist, but it doesn't conflict at all with atheism, at least by your definition.

[one10]

If you haven't read the Economic and Philosophic manuscripts of 1844 by Karl Marx, I strongly suggest that you do so. It is the basis of Marxist-Humanist thought.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

It really depends on your definition of humanism.
I mean Humanism of the Renaissance is quite different from for example "marxist"-humanism.
The former being, for a large part, the translation of Bible texts instead of believing the church. The latter being the distortion of marxism into liberal non-sense.

[Luís Henrique]

I have been a atheist for years, I believe in atheism because god(s) never came to me and spoke, also god only separates people from happiness, poor to rich, slaves to kings.

Seems good, if somewhat obvious.


I believe that atheism can unite people and make a better tomorrow for humanity!!!

I don't think so. Merely rejecting the idea of god(s) is insufficient; we need something else.


-does this make me a Humanist

I think it makes you an atheist. What do you mean by "humanist"?


Also I heard it is a cult???

You heard humanism is a cult? Or that atheism is a cult?

I suppose someone told you that a movement that calls itself "humanism", that is represented by several "Humanist Parties" around the world, and that was founded by a Mario Rodríguez "Silo" Cobos, is a cult.

It is, but it is also not "humanist".

Believing in the things you listed above doesn't make you a Siloist, or a "Humanist" in that sence.

There are several discussions here in revleft about atheism and militant atheism.

Here is one (http://www.revleft.com/vb/american-atheists-put-t168661/index.html?p=2389855&highlight=atheism#post2389855).
Here is other (http://www.revleft.com/vb/hating-muslims-t58474/index.html?highlight=atheism).
And yet another. (http://www.revleft.com/vb/why-left-hostile-t132454/index.html?t=132454&highlight=atheism)

Luís Henrique

[Fionnagáin]

It really depends on your definition of humanism.
I mean Humanism of the Renaissance is quite different from for example "marxist"-humanism.
The former being, for a large part, the translation of Bible texts instead of believing the church. The latter being the distortion of marxism into liberal non-sense.
Trying to lump everything from Eagleton to Dunayevskaya into a single, dismissive category because they share the label "Marxist-humanist" is a damn sight more nonsensical than anything the worst of them have produced.

[Tim Cornelis]

I have been a atheist for years, I believe in atheism because god(s) never came to me and spoke, also god only separates people from happiness, poor to rich, slaves to kings. I believe that atheism can unite people and make a better tomorrow for humanity!!!

-does this make me a Humanist

Also I heard it is a cult???
...is this true

Thanks!

I don't know if this is the right topic to discuss, but not believing in god because he hasn't talked to you is similar to saying you don't believe Peruvians exist because no Peruvian has ever talked to you.

[DoCt SPARTAN]

yea that does make sense, but you get what I'm getting to.

[Sudsy]

I think the concept of humanism was coined and originated within Christian groups and societies, but naturally it become more of an atheist tendency because religion is backwards and anti-human, but still, not all atheists are necessarily humanists.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I have been a atheist for years, I believe in atheism because god(s) never came to me and spoke, also god only separates people from happiness, poor to rich, slaves to kings. I believe that atheism can unite people and make a better tomorrow for humanity!!!

-does this make me a Humanist

Also I heard it is a cult???
...is this true

Thanks!

Humanism is basically just the belief in human agency. It's very broad and did originate within Christian thinking, but this was also in an era when all philosophy was theological. But essentially, social changes in Europe connected with increased trade and manufacturing crerated an increased interest in having a rational, understanding of the world. Before the idea was that the world, God, was unknowable and life was mysterious, but the development of humanist ideas put more emphasis on the ability of people to understand (and change) the world.

IMO Marxism and Anarchism are essentially humanistic in that they do not believe that society is static, that humans are destined by supernatural or hereditary "human nature" reasons to live only in specific ways. Of course this isn't an idealist version of humanism where we can just "will" things into being, it's a materialist humanism where humans have agency within a range of material possibilities at any given time.

Lastly, while I'm an aetheist, I don't think aetheism by itself can unite people. Frist, for one set of atheist beliefs to argue against set of beliefs would just create one more sect of theological belief. Second, I don't believe that religious belief itself is what divides people - sects within the same religious belief-system are often very divided and polarized, people of various religions have lived more or less without being divided by religious views in many places at many times, and of course the opposite is true as well (religious sectarian strife). I think religion becomes the banner or organizing method for other more fundamental divides in society. "Secular" societies can be divided along racial or ethnic or philosophical or regional lines just as much as on a religious basis.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I don't know if this is the right topic to discuss, but not believing in god because he hasn't talked to you is similar to saying you don't believe Peruvians exist because no Peruvian has ever talked to you.

It's more than that. While I've never knowingly talked to someone from Peru that I can recall, I can find plenty of photographs of both Peru itself and its inhabitants (who would presumably be Peruvians for the most part), the country of Peru exists on many maps purporting to be of the real world, and Peru and Peruvians have featured multiple times on different news outlets, and so on and so forth.

Basically there is loads of evidence that can be found for Peru and Peruvians, that one can't find for Heaven or its inhabitants.

[Tim Cornelis]

It's more than that. While I've never knowingly talked to someone from Peru that I can recall, I can find plenty of photographs of both Peru itself and its inhabitants (who would presumably be Peruvians for the most part), the country of Peru exists on many maps purporting to be of the real world, and Peru and Peruvians have featured multiple times on different news outlets, and so on and so forth.

Basically there is loads of evidence that can be found for Peru and Peruvians, that one can't find for Heaven or its inhabitants.

Those are actually all photos of Paraguay and its inhabitants, planted by the UN to fool us. Peru doesn't exist. You have not personally been to Peru or spoken to them, so you cannot verify this.

But of course, that gap of information which we cannot personally empirically verify is filled with reason. We cannot personally empirically verify whether Peru, God, our our brain exists, but we have reason to assume Peru and our brain exists while we have no reason whatsoever to believe God exists.

[Itlsul]

Trying to lump everything from Eagleton to Dunayevskaya into a single, dismissive category because they share the label "Marxist-humanist" is a damn sight more nonsensical than anything the worst of them have produced. :)

[mybloodisred]

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