No Platform For Nazis

[BOZG]

As well all know, this website offers a No Platform policy, that is that Nazis will not be allowed to post on this, but I'm wondering as to whether everyone here supports the No Platform policy both on this website and publically. I'm particularly interested in the opinions of the Democratic Socialists and the Anarchists/Libertarians. Personally I completely support No Platform. The rights of free speech and political organisation ARE human rights but they are human rights which were fought for over thousands of years and for which many people have died for and they are rights which must be defended by any means necessary for humanity, even if that includes preventing free speech and organisation for those that wish to destroy them. As socialists/communists/anarchists, I think it's important to note that in Nazi Germany and other fascist nations, it wasn't the Jews or homosexuals or catholics or Roma that were the first groups to be targetted and smashed but it was the trade unionists and the left.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

I think the no platform for Nazis is good. If you meen by not having them at all then thats better. It makes things safe. Nazis showed an image before of hate and they still do so why would we accept them into our world. It's just making things more unstable in my opinion.



--Paz

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Nazis should be silenced forever..... :ph34r:

[The Feral Underclass]

All authority must be justified ie state authority, patriarchal authority and most of the time it can not be justified and therefore must be desmantled.

However there are some forms of authority that can be justified ie stopping your child running infront of a bus and suppressing nazism.

Nazism is an ideology based on hatred against people they consider to be "inferior" or "weaker" than them. Nazis adovacte and support grotesque violence against men, women and children. Those who do not deny the holocaust completely condone it, and would have no quirms with doing it again.

Nazis in the UK have been responable for beating up jewish teachers, attacking gay people and stabbing a black people notably stephen lawrence. Combat 18 (the 18 comes from the first initials of hitlers names and converted into numbers) were responable for bomb attacks in Brixton market where a three year old black boy died after having a nail buried into his head from the nail bomb thatr was denoated. The same bomber was responsable for attacking a gay bar in soho killing scores or gay and lesbian people.

Nazis and fascists in general would stomp al over our freedoms of speech, association etc if given the chance. They have absolutly no quirms with murdering, beating or silencing any form of opposition or people they think to be "inferior."

This kind of thought is a menace to society, any society. Although some people are encouragable and are looking for identity and can be convinced against these thoughts, their leaders are evil, pure and simple and must be faught against by force if necessary.

"The only time a nazi is good, is when you have your boot in his face!"

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Combat 18 must be destroyed. Armed revolution is the only way for anarchist-communists. Kill them bastards. Black babies are so cute as well.

[Hate Is Art]

I wonder what makes someone turn to naziism? (sp?) It seems like such a bizzare thing to do, suddenly wake up and realise <_< you are being screwed over by jews, bankers and jewish bankers and it&#39;s the fault of those damned fags that i&#39;m poor. Bizarre.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I fully support the policy against nazis.
Beacuse in communist or socialist politics, naziism is a complete waste of time.
The goal in politics is to achieve a system that better caters to the people.
A system that can appease most.
Naziism can&#39;t even see that&#33;
So therefore their input is useless and can be kept to themselves.

Naziism has no place in our quest for freedom and equality.

[RedCeltic]

"The only time a nazi is good, is when you have your boot in his face&#33;"


Isn&#39;t this similar to what a Nazi would say? How are you any different?


You are basicly saying that you believe in freedom of speach (With exceptions) which isn&#39;t any different than the most athoriterian governments the world has seen.

I don&#39;t think Nazi&#39;s have a right to post on this board, because I view this board the same as a newspaper, and Nazi&#39;s have the right to publish their own newspapers... and start their own messageboards.

I would be outraged at any form of government that restricted them... or even a group I view as even more disgusting "NAMBLA" from having the same equil rights as any other organisation, viewpoint, idology etc..

That is... as long as we still retain our right counter them with our own marches, demonstrations, newspapers, websites, etc...

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 02:41 PM
I would be outraged at any form of government that restricted them...
That&#39;s where I disagree.
The point of a people&#39;s government is to give the people a voice. To allow them to have power of their society which they provide for.
Naziism seeks to completely remove power from the people.
If naziism ever has any victories, then obviously the people&#39;s true will has been silenced.
So naziism&#39;s strife is completely futile in socialist politics.

[Jesus Christ]

Of course I don&#39;t support them, but unless someone is being harmed, I won&#39;t take it upon myself to harm them.

[redstar2000]

No platform, of course&#33;

I am in favor of suppressing reactionary ideas and movements after the revolution.

The question of "what is reactionary" is not always an easy one to answer. I expect a lot of heated debate on some of the nominations.

But when our class has decided, freely and democratically, that a certain set of ideas is irreconcilably opposed to the revolution, I have no problem with suppressing those ideas.

And there&#39;s no difficulty at all deciding about Nazis and Nazism...they should be exterminated like vermin.

It&#39;s what they would do to us, if they could.

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[RedCeltic]

Educating people on the evils of any given ideology goes a long way. Look how well the American public has been brainwashed to believe that communism is evil.

In much the same way that communists are given the ability to speak freely, but than made to look rediculous, Nazis are treated in much the same way. Most people (that aren&#39;t racist nuts) don&#39;t really take these people too seriously. They are a small minority of crack pots.

In the US Anyway... I realize they are a growing problem in Europe mind you... however I have been thinking about that and I think that in many of those counteries, National Socialism (Nazism) is just not talked about... at all&#33; You can be arrested for some things connected with it in Germany... and yet... if I walked down the street in New York in a Nazi uniform I&#39;d get my ass kicked.

I think there is a lesson there... you can&#39;t really ignore it and pretend there isn&#39;t a problem with these groups. I think letting them speak gives us the oppertunity to point out what&#39;s wrong with their ideology. Rational thinking people will naturally realize the truth.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 08:49 PM
But when our class has decided, freely and democratically, that a certain set of ideas is irreconcilably opposed to the revolution, I have no problem with suppressing those ideas.
My point exactly&#33;

[The Feral Underclass]

Red Celtic


Isn&#39;t this similar to what a Nazi would say? How are you any different?

No&#33; What they would say is "The only good jew, black, gay, gypsy, disabeld person, communist, socialist, liberal, democrat, slav is when you have them all in a gas chamber."

I am sorry but I dont see why we should be so sentimental to people who condone and would perpetrate mass genocide against men women and children on the basis of inferiority.


You are basicly saying that you believe in freedom of speach (With exceptions) which isn&#39;t any different than the most athoriterian governments the world has seen.

The classic liberal view&#33; Lets look at it objectivly shall we instead of jumping on this liberal band wagen about everyone is entitled to say what they want. I&#39;m sorry, but people who would like to murder jewish people, gas black children and beat the living crap out of someone for the fact they are gay, does not have the right to say that.


I don&#39;t think Nazi&#39;s have a right to post on this board, because I view this board the same as a newspaper, and Nazi&#39;s have the right to publish their own newspapers... and start their own messageboards

So you condone the spreading of racial hatred and dont mind if someone publicly calls for the mass extermination of a race, or two, or everyone who isnt a straight white protestant.


I would be outraged at any form of government that restricted them... or even a group I view as even more disgusting "NAMBLA" from having the same equil rights as any other organisation, viewpoint, idology etc..

So come a revolution what would you have us do with the capitalists as they charge at us with guns and bombs, through daisies at them and hope for the best....we arent trying to encourage these people. They are our enemy. They are evil, for want of a less dramatic word and should be fought against. With fists if necessary.


That is... as long as we still retain our right counter them with our own marches, demonstrations, newspapers, websites, etc...

And while we are doing this they are beating the shit out of us&#33;&#33;&#33; Come on man...these people are Nazis...you know, those people who gassed 8 million people and executed 2 million more for the only reason that they did fit into their ideals about race. Men, women and children, murdered in cold, systamatic blood. Children experimented against. Entire families torn apart and shipped across euopre to be starved and beaten...These are people who would sooner jab your kiver with a knife than allow you to breath in the same country as them, and you think they should be able to say all this, agree with it. No&#33; Shoot the muthafuckers and be done with it&#33;

[Kez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 05:09 PM
Nazis should be silenced forever..... :ph34r:
tossers like you shold be silenced too...

[Saint-Just]

Not only Nazis, but racist comments from any individual should be stopped. We should start with the Nazis and end with the last racist.

Nazis threaten us little since we are highly vigilant now. Even some of their ideas still exist in people who are not Nazis, we need to stamp out all those ideas. We are different to Nazis because we fight for different ideas. Don&#39;t fool yourself that it is wrong to suppress Nazism on the grounds of free speech. In Nazism it is the capitalist, ruling classes that rule society and the working class ideals that are suppressed. We advocate freedom of speech not based on class. Only with the dissolution of class antagonisms will true free speech exist. We will create free speech, free speech does not exist in class society. The working class ideas are the ideas that are universally beneficial to all of mankind since they are the ideas that will create a classless society.

[redstar2000]

...and yet...if I walked down the street in New York in a Nazi uniform I&#39;d get my ass kicked.

I have no problem if people wish to deal with Nazis in an...informal manner. :D

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[RedCeltic]

So come a revolution what would you have us do with the capitalists as they charge at us with guns and bombs, through daisies at them and hope for the best....we arent trying to encourage these people. They are our enemy. They are evil, for want of a less dramatic word and should be fought against. With fists if necessary.

I&#39;m not saying any such thing. I think RedStar2000 got what I was trying to say when he said, "I have no problem if people wish to deal with Nazis in an...informal manner."

I don&#39;t think it should be a government policy to say who has the right to hold a public rally... however I think that we should create the atmosphere where if a buch of Klan member want to hold a rally in centeral park... they will know it will be total suicide.

Put it this way, I&#39;m not in favor of using restrictive laws to combat Nazis, however I&#39;m strongly in favor of baseball bats.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 07:21 PM

So come a revolution what would you have us do with the capitalists as they charge at us with guns and bombs, through daisies at them and hope for the best....we arent trying to encourage these people. They are our enemy. They are evil, for want of a less dramatic word and should be fought against. With fists if necessary.

I&#39;m not saying any such thing. I think RedStar2000 got what I was trying to say when he said, "I have no problem if people wish to deal with Nazis in an...informal manner."

I don&#39;t think it should be a government policy to say who has the right to hold a public rally... however I think that we should create the atmosphere where if a buch of Klan member want to hold a rally in centeral park... they will know it will be total suicide.

Put it this way, I&#39;m not in favor of using restrictive laws to combat Nazis, however I&#39;m strongly in favor of baseball bats.
:D

In agreement.

[Saint-Just]

If people on the street attack Nazis they will be arrested. People acting as vigilantes means innocent people get hurt. People who would go and physically attack Nazis will undoubtedly end up hurting innocent people too. People do not go and attack Nazis because it is against the law. If such things were sanctioned then incidences of people physically assualting individuals who they deemed to be Nazis would increase. Such acts would mean innocent people getting hurt.

Not only this, but individuals could excuse themselves from accusations of GBH and so forth by saying they thought those they attacked were Nazis. Obviously I understand that in a Communist society there law would be less relevent. However, in our society and also the transition to communism I think state authorities should be primarily responsible for dealing with Nazis.

[monkeydust]

I once knew a woman who lived in Nazi Germany, when she was a child during the war her sister told her that the soap they used was made of Jews she ran down the street laughing about the whole thing as in &#39;woohoo th soap&#39;s made of Jews&#39;(with more entusiasm obviously). It was only several years later that she found out that the soap was actually made out of Jews, and so were the lampshades.

My point here is that Nazism can bring ordinary irrational people to do horrific things, it plays o peoples emotions and only brings about hatred. To ban Nazism is fine as long as we can prove it is wrong, practicing Nazism is like any other crime, only most of those that follow are not mad themselves but misguided and misinformed. If people wan&#39;t to think that then fair enough, but until we get to a stage when no one would want to think along the lines of Nazism, any public display of it should be banned.

[RedCeltic]

If people on the street attack Nazis they will be arrested. People acting as vigilantes means innocent people get hurt.

Perhaps, however I think it really depends on the public opinion of the population. Take New York City again for an example. I think for the most part, Nazis are smart enough not to hold a public rally in centeral park... because they know that overwelmingly public opinion is against them... they know the cops will for the most part probobly look the other way... and they also know that there is probobly very little the police can do anyway when Harlem, Flatbush, Bedford Sty. , Bensonhurst, etc all go march on them...

In truth, just the threat is enough to restrict their actions.

Hell, when&#39;s the last time you saw Nazis marching down Flatbush ave? I&#39;m sure they could get a permit if they tried... but would they want it is the question.. haha...

[Hodgo]

Just the term "No Platform" is ridiculous to me. By depriving an entire political ideology (even one as destructive and blindly idiotic as Nazism) of the right to freedom of assembly and free speech, you&#39;re bringing the debate into the public arena and making it a big issue. So in your efforts to make sure they dont have a platform, you&#39;re GIVING them a platform to spread their views anyway.


For whatever reason, most people are surprisingly well-informed about Nazism. If you walk up to an average jock kid and ask them what a Communist believes, they&#39;ll say something like, "ugh, they think the government should control everything and everything should get divided equally and stuff... And uhhh, and they have like... a red flag........ I think". You ask them about Anarchism, they&#39;ll probably come out with something even deeper and more thought-out like, "um... its like, all about chaos and against the government and stuff..."

But if you ask them about Nazism, they can normally tell you that a Nazi believes that blonde haired, blue eyed white males are destined to rule the earth, that the Jew is the number one enemy, that women are nothing but breeding machines, that all inferior races should be done away with, etc, etc.


Nazism has been demystified. If we didnt know from experience the horror of what happens when Nazism is applied in practice, then we&#39;d at least know from hearing the verbal diahhrea that gets spouted at Nazi rallies (or on forums on the internet) how inane Nazism is in theory.

As long as we have the luxury of listening to these idiots speak, we have the luxery of seeing for ourselves that they are, in fact, idiots. If we were never exposed to that kind of ideology, we&#39;d never get to dismiss it based on our own ability to discern; we&#39;d just be going on what the state tells us is good for us.


Yes, theres always the concern that the Nazis could use the rallies to convert misguided, weak-willed, easily led people. That was, afterall, how they came to power in the first place, and its why they&#39;re still around all these years after their leader did the one good thing he ever did: blowing his own miserable fucking head off.

Unfortunately, the law cant exist to protect stupid people. Stupid people need to start educating themselves.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I realize that Restar and his anarchist buddies would just be delighted if people would take up the role of the &#39;oppressive police&#39;, but I think that all of us who haven&#39;t yet gone senile can see how this is just simply silly.

[The Feral Underclass]

Victorcommie


I realize that Restar and his anarchist buddies would just be delighted if people would take up the role of the &#39;oppressive police&#39;, but I think that all of us who haven&#39;t yet gone senile can see how this is just simply silly.

I don&#39;t understand this? Are you for or against a no platform for nazi&#39;s policy. I also think you should re-read redstars post again. Baring this sentence in mind

Redstar2000

I am in favor of suppressing reactionary ideas and movements after the revolution.

There was no talk about &#39;oppressive police&#39; just the working class suppressing reactionary ideas, including Nazis. Don&#39;t you disagree with this?

[RedCeltic]

Nazism has been demystified. If we didnt know from experience the horror of what happens when Nazism is applied in practice, then we&#39;d at least know from hearing the verbal diahhrea that gets spouted at Nazi rallies (or on forums on the internet) how inane Nazism is in theory.

As long as we have the luxury of listening to these idiots speak, we have the luxery of seeing for ourselves that they are, in fact, idiots. If we were never exposed to that kind of ideology, we&#39;d never get to dismiss it based on our own ability to discern; we&#39;d just be going on what the state tells us is good for us.

Yeah, that&#39;s what I&#39;ve been trying to say in a nutshell. People always have a tendency to think that the grass is greener on the other side of the hill. If Nazis where compleatly banned from any public expression, rational thinking people would actually start to think there may be something to it that the government doesn&#39;t want you to know about... a better way of life maybe?

But as you said, if Nazis do actually have the right to speek, they will... and the bullshit they are all about will be on public display.

Anyway, I truly don&#39;t understand how The Anarchist Tension intends to enforce this no platform for Nazis policy without a highly connected special police force. The whole thing brings up visions of big men in black shirts and boots and billy clubs smashing presses, and paying visits to known Nazis in the middle of the night... which is sort of like what the Nazis did early on...

The whole thing is pretty scarry to tell you the truth. I think if people are outraged about it... they will do something about it.

No need for any idiotic form of organized censorship... people should be willing and able to police themselves on this matter.

[Xprewatik RED]

I was in a city once where there was a huge Nazi meeting.... God ... damn... I just couldn&#39;t help myself I jumped on one guy and pounded his brains out.....The stuff they shit....I am a subhuman....I am lower than a dog.....I am a slav..... In a Communist system I wouldnt loose one tear over a couple of Nazis...but thats just me...they wanted to exterminate my race but hey? We all are entitled to our beliefs right?

[The Feral Underclass]

No...nazis are not entitled to their beliefs&#33;&#33;&#33;

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 12:53 PM
No need for any idiotic form of organized censorship... people should be willing and able to police themselves on this matter.
Interesting point and I agree with it. When I started this topic, I didn&#39;t make my point entirely clear. I support the idea of No Platform and of people organising themselves to implement it, not just that we should just go out and campaign for the government to implement it, with some sort of policing squads. I think though, at a point where there would be enough strength and support to call for a government to implement a No Platform policy, in reality, the need ceases to exist as people have realised for themselves and their consciousness&#39; have progressed to a point where they will organise to smash fascism.

[Don't Change Your Name]

I don&#39;t want them. Now someone will come out and tell : "but you are an anarchist and that goes against your principles".
Have you ever heard things like: "if you love communism so much go to live to russia"??? or "wasnt it that you supported free speech"?? or what about the classic "you leftists talk a lot about social equality while you drive a bmw and are using a computer&#33;"???
Well, let&#39;s say that they take freedom of speech and democracy to their benefit spreading their lies and then they take power and remove them...
Their lies work because their point of view of our world is that there is a race (sometimes a nation too) struggle. So they have the proof that the percentage of jews is the simmilar to the percentage of rich capitalist exploiters, so they use this to say that the jews "are exploiting the aryan race". Then they try to proove this by showing that the owner of X huge corporation is jewish. They keep repeating the same lies until people accept them and see their fuhrer as the saviour. That&#39;s when they support him and give them absolute power over their lives.
This idiots, however, dont take into account that those rich jews are like that because of their cultural and religious background, so they just see them as evil. However, it&#39;s funny how they would see ruch white people as "respectable", "honourable", "hard working", "gentlemen", "educated", "heroes", etc.
We need to stop this lying machine. How? Let&#39;s let them talk. But when they start indoctrinating people, we go and kick their asses, and show them they arent the "strong aryans". Now some will say to me "there&#39;s the proof that you anarchist are violent and like chaos". In fact, all the other ideologies, instead of hitting the idiots, they put them in government, and instead of treating us the same way, they treat us like shit, and instead of punching us, THEY USE GUNS AND BOMBS TO KILL US&#33;&#33;&#33;
Now what&#39;s worse: hitting a nazi with your fists because of spreading his stupid fascist message which they use to gain power, kill the ones they hate and exploit the people&#39;s minds and pockets or killing people with highly developed technologies to do so, because of their race, ideology or economical reasons??? Think about it.

We don&#39;t need them

[RedCeltic]

Why don&#39;t you build special camps for Nazis... and when they get overcrowded .. maybe some you can gas, and some you can throw in ovens... or maybe you might want to keep some around for hard labor and medical experements... yeah... this "anarchist" society sounds pretty interesting.. <_<

[redstar2000]

I was just looking over this thread again when I remembered a relevant event that took place in San Francisco around 1982 or so.

It seems that some local Nazis opened the "Rudolph Hess Bookstore" in a neighborhood with a substantial Jewish population.

They (the more militant Jews) did not picket the store. They did not go to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors and ask them for a special ordinance to "outlaw" the store. They did not hire any attorneys to look for some legal loophole that would compel the city or the state to close the store.

They burned it to the ground.

It never re-opened.

Oh yeah, there were (as far as I know) no "anarchists" involved...just ordinary neighborhood people.

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[Soviet power supreme]

I wonder what makes someone turn to naziism? (sp?) It seems like such a bizzare thing to do, suddenly wake up and realise you are being screwed over by jews, bankers and jewish bankers and it&#39;s the fault of those damned fags that i&#39;m poor. Bizarre.

I dont think that is the reason.
The nazism and rascism in Scandinavia for example is started because the immigrants come to these countries and use the welfare system.They also get furios because the minorities make crimes.For example in Sweden there was one boy killed by the black people.This made the people furious and they make annual riot in december to honor this boy&#39;s memory.

[The Feral Underclass]

I dont understand something. Are we talking about a platform for Nazis in the context of an anarchist society or in the context of present society...

Of course in an anarchist society Nazi&#39;s wouldnt just be a menace to all things decent they would be an active organized resistance to workers control. Anarchism is for workers struggle, not for giving every reactioanry the freedom to be reactionary.

People need to get class struggle into context here. Anarchism is not hippy liberal free for all ideology it is for the emancipation of the working class (being an overwhelming majority) and is prepared to defend that principle with force.

My anarchist comrades my not agree with me on this one but I think that what is in question here is not whether all authority should be destroyed but that all authority that can not justify itself should be destroyed. Hierarchy, the state, central authority ie government, capitalism, leninism can not justify itself and therefore should be dismantled. I think that smashing the nazi&#39;s however is an authority that can be justified, just as grabbing your child by the arm and pulling them away from a speeding vehicle is justified authority.

[RedCeltic]

I dont understand something. Are we talking about a platform for Nazis in the context of an anarchist society or in the context of present society...

Hmmm... that&#39;s a good question. I&#39;m not sure what your anarchist society would entail... but I suppose I would believe that these matters are best left to the people taking it into their own hands... kinda like that bookstore in San Fransisco called Rudof Hess that mysteriously burned to the ground that RedStar2000 mentioned... ;)



I think that smashing the nazi&#39;s however is an authority that can be justified, just as grabbing your child by the arm and pulling them away from a speeding vehicle is justified authority.


Yes, I believe some athority is justified, but than I don&#39;t call myself an anarchist.

[The Feral Underclass]

I believe some athority is justified, but than I don&#39;t call myself an anarchist.

What is anarchism? It is a social philosiophy which advocates a statless, non governmental, non-hierarchical society without central authority...

[RedCeltic]

Yeah well... I suppose I believe in some limited form of government... not quite no government... but not highly centeralized..

anyway... don&#39;t you need some form of a hiearchy in order to have even limited athority? .... Well I suppose you have to go with what is practical.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 5 2004, 07:13 PM
Are we talking about a platform for Nazis in the context of an anarchist society or in the context of present society...
When I originally posted, it was meant to be in present day society but both ideas can be discussed.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Ideas are the most deadly weapon of war in the world. Nazis have gained control over the majority in Germany once before, and we must make sure that this never happens again. EVER. I give a resounding NO&#33;

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 5 2004, 06:13 PM
My anarchist comrades my not agree with me on this one but I think that what is in question here is not whether all authority should be destroyed but that all authority that can not justify itself should be destroyed. Hierarchy, the state, central authority ie government, capitalism, leninism can not justify itself and therefore should be dismantled. I think that smashing the nazi&#39;s however is an authority that can be justified, just as grabbing your child by the arm and pulling them away from a speeding vehicle is justified authority.
Maybe you&#39;re right. However I&#39;m not sure if the typical example of "pulling a kid before he is cut oin half by a car/train" is really a way of authority. It&#39;s more like a direct action and you are not exactly imposing authority. So I think it&#39;s justified.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I support one platform for Nazi&#39;s.

The platform they stand on in the gallows.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

Sounds good to me, Comrade RAF&#33;

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Yes, TAT, I&#39;m in favor of completely removong naziism from these boards.

Naziism should obviously be silenced.
They don&#39;t deserve the right to manifest their hatred and conspire their plans to remove power from the people
They also don&#39;t deserve political recognition.
Why?

And redstar, sorry for calling you senile.
That event is certainly a good sign, but the concept that people should be left to deal with society&#39;s problems on their own, and that any organization that takes the responsibility of doing it on the peoples&#39; behalf runs the risk of doing something agaisnt the people themselves is a purely anarchist concept. Allowing people to privately and independently take care of what bothers them with which ever means are available to them is a ridiculous idea. This would yield the agglomeration of society&#39;s powers by individuals and leaving the masses no means with which they can resolve their problems. As has occured in capitalism. If the free-market or whatever else can be used to subjugate the masses is impeded, then power may not be centralized. Instead, people will independently accomplish what they feel is necessary while giving no thought to what is in the collective interest of the people and anarchy will occur.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Sorry for changing the subject a bit, but I&#39;d still like an answer, redstar.