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China studen
2nd February 2013, 08:08
Must Read Book: How the Media Ignored the Real News to Get Obama Re-Elected (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2984453/posts)
Townhall.com ^ (http://www.freerepublic.com/%5Ehttp://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/02/01/must-read-book-how-the-media-ignored-the-real-news-to-get-obama-reelected-n1503316) | February 1, 2013 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 2013年2月2日 11:25:54 by Kaslin (http://www.freerepublic.com/~kaslin/)

It's been a week full of liberal media bias examples, but after all, every week is full of them. We saw NBC news purposely edit another video clip smearing Second Amendment supporters in order to push a gun control agenda. This is the same agenda President Obama just happens to be pushing as he continues to single out the NRA and its members as enemy number one. The move by NBC impacted public opinion for a few hours until luckily new media, the team over at Twitchy.com precisely, debunked the entire thing.
Although this was a case of editing to fake news in order to influence the current political debate about gun control on Capitol Hill, often times the media simply chooses to ignore the real news for political purposes.
New York Times Best Selling Author and Washington Examiner Editor David Freddoso details this tactic in his newest book, Spin Masters: How the Media Ignored the Real News and Helped Re-Elect Barack Obama (http://www.amazon.com/Spin-Masters-Ignored-Helped-Reelect/dp/1621570800/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359749624&sr=8-1&keywords=david+freddoso), which came out Monday.
In the book Freddoso states, "Sure the mainstream media tilt left -- even wildly left. We all know that, right? But it's even worse than you think. The trouble is not just bias -- it's that the media no longer even bother to report the news or investigate big stories."
Freddoso wades through the past year in media, covering everything from the media promoted war on women to the lack of coverage of big scandals like Operation Fast and Furious and the 9/11 terrorist attack in Benghazi. Using humor, Freddoso points out media's most ridiculous stories with sections in the book titled, "The Zombie-Eyed Granny-Starver from Wisconsin" and "Violence Against Fact." If you're interested in knowing how many former mainstream media journalists are actually working in the Obama administration, he's got that covered too.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2984453/posts

KurtFF8
2nd February 2013, 13:51
Shouldn't this be in opposing ideologies?

Fourth Internationalist
2nd February 2013, 14:04
I hate it when people say the media is left or even liberal. Drives me crazy.

bad ideas actualised by alcohol
2nd February 2013, 14:30
I hate it when people say the media is left or even liberal. Drives me crazy.

How is the media not liberal?

Fourth Internationalist
2nd February 2013, 14:53
How is the media not liberal?

It protects the current establishment, which is conservative, not liberal. It doesn't talk about any issues from a liberal perspective, nor does it criticize/supprt things that liberals and progressives criticize/support, such as warrantless wiretapping, climate change, anti-"terrorism" laws, and the legal bribery of both democrats and republicans by corporations.

bad ideas actualised by alcohol
2nd February 2013, 16:07
It protects the current establishment, which is conservative, not liberal. It doesn't talk about any issues from a liberal perspective, nor does it criticize/supprt things that liberals and progressives criticize/support, such as warrantless wiretapping, climate change, anti-"terrorism" laws, and the legal bribery of both democrats and republicans by corporations.

Liberalism is progressive?
Hahahaha. No.
Liberalism is an idiotic current of capitalism. It has nothing to do with the left.
It is the ideology Obama adheres to. It is the ideology which the media adheres to, mostly. It promotes a nice capitalism, not the destruction of capitalism. And is just as conservative as the people who call themselves conservatives.

Fourth Internationalist
2nd February 2013, 16:26
It has nothing to do with the left.
It's center-left.

It is the ideology Obama adheres to.
He's also a Nazi-communist.

It is the ideology which the media adheres to,
Not it isn't. They ignore so many issues important to liberals.

And is just as conservative as the people who call themselves conservatives.
There are different ideologies within capitalism, just like their are within socialism.

bad ideas actualised by alcohol
2nd February 2013, 16:36
It's center-left.

I only count actual communists as left.


He's also a Nazi-communist.

difference being that Nazi-communist is used as slander and liberalism the official line of the Democratic Party.


Not it isn't. They ignore so many issues important to liberals.

Fox news isn't all of the media. MSNBC, CNN, ABC, the daily show and the like are clearly liberals, they wouldn't deny that themselves.


There are different ideologies within capitalism, just like their are within socialism.

Yes and each and everyone of those ideologies of capitalism is shit and not something we should support. There is no nice capitalism, because capitalism is exploitative and can't exist without private property.

Fourth Internationalist
2nd February 2013, 17:08
I only count actual communists as left.Communism is not the only leftist ideology.

difference being that Nazi-communist is used as slander and liberalism the official line of the Democratic Party.I agree that they call themselves liberal in the same way they also call themselves democratic, though they are not. I don't think calling your party/state something makes it so. Like, North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) isn't democratic, the Nazi Party (National Socialist German Workers' Party) isn't socialist, etc. The Democratic Party isn't Liberal.

Fox news isn't all of the media. MSNBC, CNN, ABC, the daily show and the like are clearly liberals, they wouldn't deny that themselves. Fox News is conservative, MSNBC has some shows that are more liberal, others are conservative, and then some more that are state-media. CNN and ABC are, simply, state-media, and the Daily Show, yes, is liberal (and awesome).

Yes and each and everyone of those ideologies of capitalism is shit and not something we should support. There is no nice capitalism, because capitalism is exploitative and can't exist without private property.They are capitalist, yes, but not conservative capitalist.

bad ideas actualised by alcohol
2nd February 2013, 17:20
Communism is not the only leftist ideology.

If you have such low standards you call liberalism left, then you're right.

I agree that they call themselves liberal in the same way they also call themselves democratic, though they are not. I don't think calling your party/state something makes it so. Like, North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) isn't democratic, the Nazi Party (National Socialist German Workers' Party) isn't socialist, etc. The Democratic Party isn't Liberal.[/quote]

Liberalism is maintaining capitalism but making it "less bad" by things like health-care and the like. Seems that is exactly what the Democrats want to do.


Fox News is conservative, MSNBC has some shows that are more liberal, others are conservative, and then some more that are state-media. CNN and ABC are, simply, state-media, and the Daily Show, yes, is liberal (and awesome).

Technically all mainstream media in a class-society is in the favor of the dominant class.

Good to know that you think liberal shows are awesome, so we all know where you are standing.


They are capitalist, yes, but not conservative capitalist.

Boo-fucking-hoo.
There is barely a difference between the two, if any at all..

Red Commissar
2nd February 2013, 17:32
China Studen, are you aware of what kind of site FreeRepublic is?

Fourth Internationalist
2nd February 2013, 17:40
If you have such low standards you call liberalism left, then you're right.Center-left, actually.

Liberalism is maintaining capitalism but making it "less bad" by things like health-care and the like. Seems that is exactly what the Democrats want to do.But the democrats don't do that, so they aren't liberal. Actions speak louder than words.

Technically all mainstream media in a class-society is in the favor of the dominant class.Exactly.

Good to know that you think liberal shows are awesome, so we all know where you are standing.I love The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, Real Time with Bill Maher, The Young Turks, etc. Unless communists/socialists begin creating their own comedy shows, I will continue to watch liberal comedy shows.

Boo-fucking-hoo.
There is barely a difference between the two, if any at all..There are tons of differences.

bad ideas actualised by alcohol
2nd February 2013, 17:58
Center-left, actually.[quote]

Really this just proves that the political spectrum of left and right is idiotic, because idiots like you call anything left or center-left.

[quote]But the democrats don't do that, so they aren't liberal. Actions speak louder than words.

Except they do argue for some, idiotic-form of health-care.


Exactly.
I love The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, Real Time with Bill Maher, The Young Turks, etc. Unless communists/socialists begin creating their own comedy shows, I will continue to watch liberal comedy shows.

Of course you'd like shows that regularly piss on workers and support Obama and other liberals.
No real surprises there.


There are tons of differences.

Yet you don't name a single one, cute.
Liberals would say there are major differences. For the revolutionary left on the other hand both are about the same. Slightly to the left or slightly to the right of capitalism makes no significant difference nowadays.

Fourth Internationalist
2nd February 2013, 18:22
Really this just proves that the political spectrum of left and right is idiotic, because idiots like you call anything left or center-left.I do not call anything left/center-left. As a former liberal and current Marxist, I believe liberalism to be center-left because it accepts capitalism (center), but wants to rid it of its evils (left).

Of course you'd like shows that regularly piss on workers and support Obama and other liberals.
No real surprises there.I don't think they are intentionally supporting exploitation (just like how 98% of workers don't intentionally support exploitation by supporting capitalism).
I think many of them support him because the mainstream media teaches them that Obama is liberal. Despite that, however, all those shows have their share of criticisms of Obama, and The Young Turks is very anti-Obama Liberal, which is what my views were before I became a socialist.

Yet you don't name a single one, cute.
Liberals would say there are major differences. For the revolutionary left on the other hand both are about the same. Slightly to the left or slightly to the right of capitalism makes no significant difference nowadays.Regulation vs No regulation. Socialized health care vs private health care. Entitlement programs vs no entitlement programs. High corporate tax rate vs 0% corporate tax rate. War against Iran vs No war with Iran. Homosexuality (marriage) illegal vs homosexual marriage legal. Reproductive rights vs no reproductive rights. Free public education vs underfunded public education/no public education.

EDIT: I'd like to make it clear that I am talking about modern liberalism not classical liberalism.

bad ideas actualised by alcohol
2nd February 2013, 18:57
I do not call anything left/center-left. As a former liberal and current Marxist, I believe liberalism to be center-left because it accepts capitalism (center), but wants to rid it of its evils (left).

Then you do call anything left. The left doesn't want to rid capitalism of its evils. Because the left, that is the revolutionary left, argues not in a symptomanic way, i.e. not saying that capitalism is good if you remove the evil but that capitalism has contradictions that can only be removed by removing capitalism.


I don't think they are intentionally supporting exploitation (just like how 98% of workers don't intentionally support exploitation by supporting capitalism).

i don't care what their intentions are. Didn't you just said that actions speak louder than words? Their actions support exploitation.


I think many of them support him because the mainstream media teaches them that Obama is liberal. Despite that, however, all those shows have their share of criticisms of Obama, and The Young Turks is very anti-Obama Liberal, which is what my views were before I became a socialist.[quote]

Their criticisms are worth nothing. In the end they support Obama. Jon Stewart had criticism of Obama but during election time he supported him anyway. The typical liberal attitude.

[quote]Regulation vs No regulation. Socialized health care vs private health care. Entitlement programs vs no entitlement programs. High corporate tax rate vs 0% corporate tax rate. War against Iran vs No war with Iran. Homosexuality (marriage) illegal vs homosexual marriage legal. Reproductive rights vs no reproductive rights. Free public education vs underfunded public education/no public education.

Public education was fought for by workers. Health care is fought for by workers. Regulation is fought for by workers. Liberals do support the war, or have that non-sense that they don't like violence but support the war anyway because they are such good patriots. It is not liberalism being good but it being forced to make concessions.

Fourth Internationalist
2nd February 2013, 19:22
Then you do call anything left. The left doesn't want to rid capitalism of its evils. Because the left, that is the revolutionary left, argues not in a symptomanic way, i.e. not saying that capitalism is good if you remove the evil but that capitalism has contradictions that can only be removed by removing capitalism.Left-wing ideologies have never been necessarily anti-capitalist.


i don't care what their intentions are. Didn't you just said that actions speak louder than words? Their actions support exploitation.I think intentions mean a lot. That's why many crimes are not/less severe crimes because they are not intended. And a lot of liberal policies do help workers. Free education, socialized health care, etc. (all the things I mentioned) are beneficial to workers, even though they are under capitalism.


Their criticisms are worth nothing. In the end they support Obama. Jon Stewart had criticism of Obama but during election time he supported him anyway. The typical liberal attitude.Criticisms do matter. I support Lenin, for example, but I have criticisms of him. I am a supporter of Lenin, then, but that Stalinist over there, too, supports Lenin. There are great differences in our two opinions that cannot be simply ignored as "they support Lenin." Also, they (excluding TYT) support the Obama that the propaganda media feeds them, so, in the end, they do not support the Obama that we know he his, which is also important to remember.


Public education was fought for by workers. Health care is fought for by workers. Regulation is fought for by workers. And those workers were liberal, as all those positions are liberal. Conservative workers, though they are workers, did not support those positions. The workers are not united ideologically. We still are far from when they will be.

Liberals do support the war, or have that non-sense that they don't like violence but support the war anyway because they are such good patriots.Never ever I have I seen a liberal support the war they don't believe in. By "support the war" are you talking about the whole "support our troops" thing? I'm still very much into liberal shows, etc. as you know, and what you say about liberals is stuff I have not seen them do/say/advocate.

Os Cangaceiros
2nd February 2013, 20:02
Was this posted as a joke? Or does the OP just not have a good understanding of American politics? :confused:

diagrammatic
2nd February 2013, 22:26
It protects the current establishment, which is conservative, not liberal. It doesn't talk about any issues from a liberal perspective, nor does it criticize/supprt things that liberals and progressives criticize/support, such as warrantless wiretapping, climate change, anti-"terrorism" laws, and the legal bribery of both democrats and republicans by corporations.

Funny though, how the infantilized creatures in its thrall claim enlightened self-interest. Ironic? Yes. Sad? Doubtless. Tragic? Sometimes...

...but still fundamentally liberal, I'd venture.