Eugenics in Israel? Ethiopian Israeli women forcibly given birth control shots

[Yazman]

Absolutely crazy stuff. It appears that there has been a eugenics program operating in Israel targeting Israelis of Ethiopian origin.

Snippet from article (read more at link):



A government official has for the first time acknowledged the practice of injecting women of Ethiopian origin with the long-acting contraceptive Depo-Provera.

According to The National, Eyal and other activists say that the birth rate in the Ethiopian community in Israel has halved in the past 10 years. Eyal's civil rights group and six others have asked the Israeli health ministry to explain the widespread use of Depo-Provera injections among Ethiopians

Haaretz reports that the Health Ministry Director General Prof. Ron Gamzu, has instructed the four health maintenance organizations in the country to stop the practice immediately. The Israeli ministry and other state agencies have for long denied allegations that the government-funded health facilities were targeting Ethiopian women for selective use of the contraceptive.

The allegation that the Israeli authorities were targeting Ethiopian women for prescription of the drug Depo-Provera was first reported five years ago. The National reports that in 2009, Eyal supervised a study that showed that 57 percent of Depo-Provera users in Israel were Ethiopian, although their community was less than 2 per cent of the population.

According to one of the women interviewed, “They told us they are inoculations. They told us people who frequently give birth suffer. We took it every three months. We said we didn't want to." According to the report, officials threatened to deny some applicants entry into Israel if they refused to accept the injection.
In her 2009 study, Eyal described the drug use as part of an "unspoken [official] policy" aimed to "reduce the births in a community that is mostly black and poor."



Source: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/342250#ixzz2JGEZ8Uce

Thoughts?

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

I believe there already is a thread about this.

Disgusting though. Especially since the only apparent reason for this act of genocide is the jewishness of the Ethiopian Jews being in question. Obviously there is never a good reason for genocide in the first place.
I wonder if similar programs have been or are in existince that target Palestinians.

[brigadista]

it was an immigration condition of entry to israel apparently - FFS!!!!!

[l'Enfermé]

Doesn't this constitute genocide per the Genocide Convention the UN GA adopted in 1948?

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
Is genocide.

[Winkers Fons]

This is nothing surprising to me. What else would you expect from a state that was essentially founded on ethnocentric principles? Zionism is racism pure and simple.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Wow. I actually find that shocking.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

Shocking, but not surprising :(

[piet11111]

An apartheid state that has been cultivating a siege mentality resorting to genocide ?

I am not surprised and that is what bothers me more then anything about Israel.

[den röde skogshuggaren]

I don't think it's the Jews themselves who are doing this(or at least who came up with it). It's the WHITE powers that are allied with Israel(USA) that forced them to do this. I always knew the USA was one of the most racist countries in the world. This is just proof!

[~Spectre]

I don't think it's the Jews themselves who are doing this(or at least who came up with it). It's the WHITE powers that are allied with Israel(USA) that forced them to do this. I always knew the USA was one of the most racist countries in the world. This is just proof!

Not sure if srs.

[~Spectre]

Also, I thought Zionists swore that the reason for Israel, was precisely to prevent Jews from being rounded up in a eugenics scheme?

[Let's Get Free]

Israeli Jews are practicing eugenics and race purifying at the expense of those they consider undesirables......

the depth of irony in this story makes it sound like an extremely tasteless satire.

[Winkers Fons]

Also, I thought Zionists swore that the reason for Israel, was precisely to prevent Jews from being rounded up in a eugenics scheme?

That's true, but not because they are opposed to eugenics in principle. They are just looking out for themselves. Zionists (and nationalists of all types) tend to believe that they are superior to other groups of people based on genetics/culture/religion/etc. The idea of "God's Chosen People" is not so different from the "Master Race". Different nationalist group, same beliefs.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Wow. I actually find that shocking.

Rather revealing as well.

[goalkeeper]

Never let a good story about Israel get in the way of facts*

http://www.spiked-online.com/site/article/13328/








*not that I'm a Zionist

[Luís Henrique]

Never let a good story about Israel get in the way of facts*

http://www.spiked-online.com/site/article/13328/

Thanks.

That's the way the left so often discredits itself, by believing and spreading "facts" (or "statistics") that do not resist minimal analysis.

Why would Israel bother to mount Operation Moses and Operation Salomon if it wanted to committ "genocide" against Ethiopian Jews?

Luís Henrique

[goalkeeper]

What else would you expect from a state that was essentially founded on ethnocentric principles?

Erm, I could list a whole host of states "essentially founded on ethnocentric principles"

[Nakidana]

Thanks.

That's the way the left so often discredits itself, by believing and spreading "facts" (or "statistics") that do not resist minimal analysis.

Why would Israel bother to mount Operation Moses and Operation Salomon if it wanted to committ "genocide" against Ethiopian Jews?

Luís Henrique

What facts? Are you arguing this is an urban myth, or are you just dissatisfied with the genocide label? All l'Enfermé posted was that according to the 1948 Genocide Convention "Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group" constitutes genocide, and this fits the situation.

Look nobody is saying they were all forced to take the injections, but they were definitely pressured to do it and not informed fully of the consequences.

Now in the article posted by goalkeeper, Nathalie Rothschild herself writes that:


The official only acknowledged that Depo-Provera has been administered within that community
...
some Israeli officials gave Ethiopians the impression that a refusal to take birth control would disqualify them from moving to Israel, as the documentary claimed.Going back to the former article, in some cases women might actually have been forced to take the injections:


According to one of the women interviewed, “They told us they are inoculations. They told us people who frequently give birth suffer. We took it every three months. We said we didn't want to." According to the report, officials threatened to deny some applicants entry into Israel if they refused to accept the injection.If you want a more "mainstream" view, the article states that rights organizations within Israel were calling for the practice to be stopped:


...Association of Civil Rights in Israel, demanded that the Israeli health authorities stop administering the injections immediately. The letter also demanded that the authorities conduct an investigation into allegations stemming from the practice.


Even if you don't want to characterize this as genocide, the fact remains that it was a despicable practice. Rothschild (whose agenda should be under scrutiny. Browsing her writings she seems to be on the right politically (or maybe she's a radical leftist :laugh:). She is apparently against the Gaza flotilla (http://www.nathalierothschild.com/2011/06/30/gaza-flotilla-riding-on-a-wave-of-narcissism/), the Palestinian UN bid for statehood (http://www.nathalierothschild.com/2011/09/26/kick-the-un-out-of-the-middle-east/) and the Occupy movement (http://www.nathalierothschild.com/tag/occupy-wall-street/)) again writes that:


Nevertheless, many Ethiopians clearly feel aggrieved and that is understandable. It is only right that their stories are told. The 35 women interviewed for the TV documentary revealed that Israeli officials overseeing their migration to Israel treated them insensitively, giving them poor information about birth-control options and the potential side effects of Depo-Provera before and after arriving in Israel.Rothschild then goes on about Ethiopians preferring injectable contraceptives because of their culture or some bullshit like that. Yeah, but if they love Depo-Provera so much why would they complain about it then?

Considering the racism towards Africans (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwvGHY1nAI) in Israel, it doesn't really surprise me that the Ethiopians were pressured to take the birth control.

[Sea]

I don't think it's the Jews themselves who are doing this(or at least who came up with it). It's the WHITE powers that are allied with Israel(USA) that forced them to do this. I always knew the USA was one of the most racist countries in the world. This is just proof!Either substantiate your claims or fuck off back to prisonplanet.

[Winkers Fons]

Malangyar is right, the Israeli's aren't exterminating the Ethiopians, but they are definitely engaging in some dishonest, racially motivated tactics to keep them from becoming too influential in Israel.

[feeLtheLove]

Is the Israeli government actually getting away with this?

[Luís Henrique]

What facts? Are you arguing this is an urban myth, or are you just dissatisfied with the genocide label? All l'Enfermé posted was that according to the 1948 Genocide Convention "Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group" constitutes genocide, and this fits the situation.

Obviously the problem here is with the word "imposing".


Look nobody is saying they were all forced to take the injections, but they were definitely pressured to do it and not informed fully of the consequences.

And of course, if they were not forced, it wasn't imposed.


Now in the article posted by goalkeeper, Nathalie Rothschild herself writes that:


The official only acknowledged that Depo-Provera has been administered within that community
...
some Israeli officials gave Ethiopians the impression that a refusal to take birth control would disqualify them from moving to Israel, as the documentary claimed.

So, what she says is that some Israeli officials sought to give Ethiopians such impression. But, of course, some Israeli officials are not the same as the Israeli State.


Going back to the former article, in some cases women might actually have been forced to take the injections:


According to one of the women interviewed, “They told us they are inoculations. They told us people who frequently give birth suffer. We took it every three months. We said we didn't want to." According to the report, officials threatened to deny some applicants entry into Israel if they refused to accept the injection.

And would such threats be enforceable within Israeli law and official policy?

This is an obvious case of racism and discrimination, but the agent of such crime is not the State of Israel; instead, it is misaplication of policy by individual officers (or perhaps by some shadowy organisation of officers, a conspiracy to committ a crime).


If you want a more "mainstream" view, the article states that rights organizations within Israel were calling for the practice to be stopped:

And rightly so. And the practice was, what? continued, or interrupted?




Even if you don't want to characterize this as genocide, the fact remains that it was a despicable practice.

Yes, and despicable practice =/= genocide - not at least in my dictionary.

The attempt to compare this with Hitler's mass extermination of Jews (and others) is ridiculous.


Rothschild (whose agenda should be under scrutiny. Browsing her writings she seems to be on the right politically (or maybe she's a radical leftist :laugh:). She is apparently against the Gaza flotilla (http://www.nathalierothschild.com/2011/06/30/gaza-flotilla-riding-on-a-wave-of-narcissism/), the Palestinian UN bid for statehood (http://www.nathalierothschild.com/2011/09/26/kick-the-un-out-of-the-middle-east/) and the Occupy movement (http://www.nathalierothschild.com/tag/occupy-wall-street/)) again writes that:

I have no doubt she is a right winger.

Indeed this a big part of the problem; when the left lies or unintentionally spreads bullshit, the right can appear as valiant upholders of truth.


Rothschild then goes on about Ethiopians preferring injectable contraceptives because of their culture or some bullshit like that. Yeah, but if they love Depo-Provera so much why would they complain about it then?

Well?

Are you saying they should be denied contraceptives, or only allowed access to those they would be unable to use?


Considering the racism towards Africans (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwvGHY1nAI) in Israel, it doesn't really surprise me that the Ethiopians were pressured to take the birth control.

Ah, yes; Israel is a very racist State, no doubt. But, regarding Ethiopian Jews, such racism is way more apparent in the way they deliberately sought to bring African Jews into Israel, while at the same time denying immigration to African goyim. Which apparently is what they do to people of all colours - if they are Jewish, they can everything; if not, they should leave Israel, or, better even, not go there for starters.

Luís Henrique

[Rurkel]

So, what she says is that some Israeli officials sought to give Ethiopians such impression. But, of course, some Israeli officials are not the same as the Israeli State.Just because it was done on a semi-official, not-perfectly-organized level, and the coercion was "take birth control, or we won't admit you", not "muscled men suddenly appear, grab the Ethiopian women, and proceed to forcefully administer the drug" doesn't mean that Israel isn't responsible here.

Mind you, I do think that the 1948 Genocide Convention is rubbish. It, for one, makes everyone guilty of two racialized murders a genocidaire.

[Goblin]

About Nathalie Rothchilds politics. Considering shes a scandinavian (swedish) jew, shes most likely pretty conservative. The scandinavian jewish community is infamous for their right wing politics. Most scandinavian synagogues end their morning shabbat prayers by kissing the royal families asses. They also have some extreme views regarding Palestine.

As for the sterilization story itself, its true. It has been going on for 3 years now. And looking at all the other crazy shit Israel has been doing, its not that surprising.

[Luís Henrique]

Just because it was done on a semi-official, not-perfectly-organized level, and the coercion was "take birth control, or we won't admit you", not "muscled men suddenly appear, grab the Ethiopian women, and proceed to forcefully administer the drug" doesn't mean that Israel isn't responsible here.

Oh yes, they are. After all, it is their officers doing the shit. They apparently are taking up such responsibility, changing policy at least. I would expect an investigation on the transgressing officers too - but cover-ups of this kind of attitude are commonplace for most States, not only Israel.


Mind you, I do think that the 1948 Genocide Convention is rubbish. It, for one, makes everyone guilty of two racialized murders a genocidaire.

It doesn't. Here is what it says:


[...] genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious groups [...]

So a racist who kills two or three people may be guilty of genocide, if those killings are part of a plan to eradicate the "race" he is prejudiced against. But that, I think, isn't the case of most racist murderers.

Luís Henrique

[Rurkel]

Yeah, but there's a "in whole or in part" detail. Can three people murdered for their ethnicity be labelled "a part of an ethnic group"?


After all, it is their officers doing the shit.
I'm confused here - I'm saying that Israel is responsible, you seem to disagree, but then state that Israel has taken up the responsibility?

[Nakidana]

And of course, if they were not forced, it wasn't imposed.

But apparently some of them might actually have been forced:


We took it every three months. We said we didn't want to.

And some of them were told that entry to Israel would be denied if they didn't take the injection. IMO it's not much of a choice, take the injection or we'll send you back.


So, what she says is that some Israeli officials sought to give Ethiopians such impression. But, of course, some Israeli officials are not the same as the Israeli State.

But who told them to give that impression? Why are they even in possession of Depo-Provera? Did they simply decide on their own, as a consequence of the general racism in Israel, to carry around vials of Depo-Provera in their pockets just in case they might stumble upon black people in their day to day lives?


And would such threats be enforceable within Israeli law and official policy?

This is an obvious case of racism and discrimination, but the agent of such crime is not the State of Israel; instead, it is misaplication of policy by individual officers (or perhaps by some shadowy organisation of officers, a conspiracy to committ a crime).

Shadowy conspiracy of officials? Come on. Obviously they acted on policy in which case some arm of the state is to blame.


And rightly so. And the practice was, what? continued, or interrupted?

My point was that the fact that the rights organization called for an immediate stop to the practice shows that it is indeed a legitimate issue, and not just an urban legend spun out of control.

Of course it was interrupted, but only when the practice was brought to the attention of the public. This does not mean the state was not aware of the practice beforehand.


Yes, and despicable practice =/= genocide - not at least in my dictionary.

The attempt to compare this with Hitler's mass extermination of Jews (and others) is ridiculous.

Sure it might not be as bad as the holocaust, but that doesn't detract from how outrageous and despicable the practice is. It seems to me that this was a policy deliberately created in order to limit the birth rate in the Ethiopian community in Israel. From the article:


Observers note that the ministry's response side-stepped the allegation raised that the authorities were targeting Ethiopian women. The response did not say whether there were explicit policy guidelines underlying prescription of the drug or for how long government-funded health facilities have administered the drug to African women of Ethiopian origin. The response also gave no hint about how many women of Ethiopian origin were involved. The allegation that the Israeli authorities were targeting Ethiopian women for prescription of the drug Depo-Provera was first reported five years ago. The National reports that in 2009, Eyal supervised a study that showed that 57 percent of Depo-Provera users in Israel were Ethiopian, although their community was less than 2 per cent of the population.

There have been reports of a shocking decline in the birth-rate in the Ethiopian community in Israel. I see no reason to downplay this.


I have no doubt she is a right winger.

Indeed this a big part of the problem; when the left lies or unintentionally spreads bullshit, the right can appear as valiant upholders of truth.

Of course, my point is just that we should acknowledge she is a right winger trying to downplay the issue, ignore her agenda and remember to look at the facts.


Well?

Are you saying they should be denied contraceptives, or only allowed access to those they would be unable to use?

No, are you actually trying to defend the practice?

I'm saying they should be offered the same contraceptives as every other Israeli citizen, not have Depo-Provera shoved down their throats. There are side effects to Depo-Provera and they should be informed of these side effects and offered alternatives.

It is entirely likely they were pressured to take Depo-Provera instead of other contraceptives because the officials knew it would last longer and they would be sure of compliance (in contrast to the pill).


Ah, yes; Israel is a very racist State, no doubt. But, regarding Ethiopian Jews, such racism is way more apparent in the way they deliberately sought to bring African Jews into Israel, while at the same time denying immigration to African goyim. Which apparently is what they do to people of all colours - if they are Jewish, they can everything; if not, they should leave Israel, or, better even, not go there for starters.

I don't think you can dismiss racism in Israel towards Ethiopian Jews, just because they're Jews. While they probably consider African goyim worth even less, this practice is evidence that they do in fact discriminate against black people even if they're Jews.

Maybe the operations you mentioned were done for PR reasons. "Let's save some black Jews, will look good on Israel's resumé. Just don't bring too many of them here. Oh, and also, black people multiply like rabbits, we need to make sure we offer them contraceptives or they might get out of control!"

[goalkeeper]

About Nathalie Rothchilds politics. Considering shes a scandinavian (swedish) jew, shes most likely pretty conservative. The scandinavian jewish community is infamous for their right wing politics. Most scandinavian synagogues end their morning shabbat prayers by kissing the royal families asses. They also have some extreme views regarding Palestine.
g.

WTF is this?

Since when was it ok to use someones ethnicity to say what politics they have?

"well, considering Mohammed Mohammed is Muslim, he's most likely a radical jihadist. The scandinavian Muslim community is infamous for their Islamist politics. They also have some extreme views regarding women"

[Luís Henrique]

Yeah, but there's a "in whole or in part" detail. Can three people murdered for their ethnicity be labelled "a part of an ethnic group"?

The convention makes it depend on intent. If you murder one person of a given ethnic group as part of a plan to exterminate it, then yes, it can be framed as genocide.


I'm confused here - I'm saying that Israel is responsible, you seem to disagree, but then state that Israel has taken up the responsibility?

They are responsible for their officials, yes. They are not necessarily responsible for the particular actions of particular officials, though. If a cop murders someone, the State is responsible in the sence that it has to indemnify the relatives of the victim, punish the cop, take preventive measures so that it doesn't happen again, etc. It doesn't mean that the State is responsible in the sence that it necessarily agrees with the murder, or that the action necessarily reflects State policy.

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

Since when was it ok to use someones ethnicity to say what politics they have?

Ah, the Jews... when they are not Bolsheviks, they are capitalists. And at times they are both.

Luís Henrique

[The Jay]

@Luis Henrique your claim to contention is bogus. It is true that they are not forced at gunpoint to take the injection, but neither are workers generally forced to work for the bourgeoisie at gunpoint. You can't accept the second as being coerced without the first.

[Luís Henrique]

@Luis Henrique your claim to contention is bogus. It is true that they are not forced at gunpoint to take the injection, but neither are workers generally forced to work for the bourgeoisie at gunpoint. You can't accept the second as being coerced without the first.

But I don't think proletarians are (normally) "coerced" into working for the bourgeoisie. We are exploited, but this is a very different thing.

Luís Henrique

[Ocean Seal]

Wow. I actually find that shocking.
I agree, I'm always willing to believe that Israel is composed of a set of bastards, but even I am having a difficult time believing this one.

[Rurkel]

The convention makes it depend on intent. If you murder one person of a given ethnic group as part of a plan to exterminate it, then yes, it can be framed as genocide.

To exterminate, in whole or in part. According to the convention, there's such a thing as "exterminating in part". So, if three people count as "part of an ethnicity", and I killed them, I certainly did a partial extermination of said ethnicity, and thus, a genocidaire, even if I didn't have the intent to go kill all people of the ethnicity.

Now, you could say that I am engaging in legalistic obstructionism, but my point is that "genocide" is a thing obvious to an onlooker, but hard to legalistically define.

[barbelo]

Amazing how people dance when their strings are pulled.
I guess I should open an online newspaper too.