Sweatshops as Good Entry Level Jobs

[Jason]

Greg Gutfeld of Fox News suggested this either on "The Five" or "Red Eye". Any opposing arguments?

[brawler5k2]

This is an article I once linked on this website before, but I think should hold some pertinence in this thread:

exiledonline . com/recovered-economic-history-everyone-but-an-idiot-knows-that-the-lower-classes-must-be-kept-poor-or-they-will-never-be-industrious/

[Questionable]

Entry to what? I'm not aware of any substantial white-collar section existing in the third-world.

[B5C]

Any chance that Greg is part of "Learn Liberty?"

NxBzKkWo0mo

[#FF0000]

Saying "entry level" implies they ever lead to anything else.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

Stop watching Fox news.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I once heard the argument that sweatshops are ok because the people working in them "don't know any better". *sigh* :rolleyes:

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

Any chance that Greg is part of "Learn Liberty?"

NxBzKkWo0mo

Things like this make me irrationally angry.
Seriously do liberals have any connection to the real world at all?

[RadioRaheem84]

Anyone going to answer the guy in the video?

[NGNM85]

The problem is that Gutfeld presumes that capitalism is rational, and legitimate, as well as the (obviously false) myth that anybody in a capitalist economy can make it, if they just try really hard. However; I think the real moral of the story is that this guy is an idiot, and there are probably much more entertaining, if not productive, activities you could be engaging in than watching some idiot on Fox.

[Doflamingo]

Any chance that Greg is part of "Learn Liberty?"

NxBzKkWo0mo

I just comment "lol" on their videos.

[Regicollis]

1. Sweatshop workers don't enter into anything marginally better.
2. Working hard for next to no pay never improved the living conditions of common workers. Organising and demanding better conditions did.

[JBizzleton]

capitalism is based off the Davis-Moore hypothesis stating
1. Some jobs are more important than others.
2. We want the best people for the best jobs.
3. Make the process difficult.
4. The reward should be worth the work.
However, the system is flawed. Many of us have surely had a boss in which we thought how in the %@#$ did this guy get this job. More often than not in a capitalist system it's about who you know rather than what you know.

[Beeth]

If sweatshops aren't that bad, then maybe these sweatshop advocates should start working in one.:rolleyes: It is easy to rationalize exploitative methods when one isn't a direct victim.

[Orange Juche]

Any chance that Greg is part of "Learn Liberty?"

NxBzKkWo0mo

You know what drives me up the wall? These "libertarians", at least in the United States, are treated with at least some legitimacy as a growing outside political force... and we're the idiotic, utopian crazies who "need to be educated".

Bah!

[Mackenzie_Blanc]

Of course Libertarians would support the idea that sweatshops would benefit the poor, as it is a "mutually" beneficial exchange. Their entire arguments consists of stating "well, working for terrible conditions is better than starving." But that's the point, we shouldn't have a society where the choices aren't simply between alienated working and starving to death.

[COUNTER-REV]

Greg Gutfeld of Fox News suggested this either on "The Five" or "Red Eye". Any opposing arguments?

Yes.

Any good ones?

Nope.avi

[Jimmie Higgins]

"Let them eat cake". Any opposing arguments?

http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/31-french-revolution-1789-granger.jpg
...oh.

[#FF0000]

Yes.

Any good ones?

Nope.avi

they stymie economic development in developing nations by making it difficult or impossible for native businesses to compete, pretty much ensuring that sweatshop work will forever be the mainstay.

That's on top of the, uh, questionable ethics of using sweatshop labor in the first place.

unrelated but we should just make any internet catchphrase a bannable/suspendable offense

[Orange Juche]

unrelated but we should just make any internet catchphrase a bannable/suspendable offense

Cripes, soon spelling mistakes will get you suspended. I'm fairly convinced all the mods here at this point are Stalinist or secretly Stalinist.

[#FF0000]

Cripes, soon spelling mistakes will get you suspended.

Good idea


I'm fairly convinced all the mods here at this point are Stalinist or secretly Stalinist.

Nah I just like how certain other boards moderate their shit

[Lowtech]

nice to see Jason is still trolling here.

asking for an opposing argument is to assume what we're opposing is a legit argument of its own and it is not.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Cripes, soon spelling mistakes will get you suspended. I'm fairly convinced all the mods here at this point are Stalinist or secretly Stalinist.

Well I'm the worst speller here, so I hope not :lol:

Anyway I think "internet catch phrase" is probably not the issue with this new poster - probably picking a name like "counter-rev" and saying there are no good arguments against sweatshop labor (i.e. repressed wages made possible often through hiring vulnerable workers who can be pushed around without recourse) will mean, if they choose to stick around, they will be restricted from the revolutionary section of the board.

But they also posted in OI, so good on them for being a principled right-winger (if they are and I'm not just totally misinterpreting the signals) and staying in the area where conservatives and liberals can make their arguments. Bad on them for not actually making a snide one-liner rather than an argument though.

[Lowtech]

capitalism is based off the Davis-Moore hypothesisthis is a fascinating point i think should be expanded on
stating
1. Some jobs are more important than others.skill sets are designed for profitability in a capitalist system, therefore sufficient working conditions and wages are not taken into account.

skill sets are purposely designed to be menial as menial skill sets increase in profitability as positions increase in volume.

2. We want the best people for the best jobs.elitism. the capitalist's definition of the best people are social "desirables."

3. Make the process difficult.not just difficult, but down right impossible for "undesirables"

4. The reward should be worth the work.this is a contradiction as you must be paid less than the value of your labor for it to be profitable. therefore, the reward can never be "worth the work" under a capitalist system.

However, the system is flawed. Many of us have surely had a boss in which we thought how in the %@#$ did this guy get this job. More often than not in a capitalist system it's about who you know rather than what you know. no, the system is not flawed, it does what it is desgined to do very well, which is to exploit a working class majority for the sake of a non-working minority.