Schools in an anarcho-communist & syndicalist society

[Skyhilist]

So in an anarcho-communist and syndicalist society where teachers controlled their own destiny, how would it be ensured that teachers weren't indoctrinating kids and teaching them falsehoods?
Take some southern states in the U.S. for example. Places where sometimes the majority of teachers think creationism is correct and evolution is false. Suppose you had a science teacher or something down there who decided they wanted to teach creationism and had the support of other teachers, etc.
Obviously this would be counterproductive because it would leading less people learning actual science and being fed lies instead.
How could stuff like this be stopped in an anarcho-syndicalist and anarcho-communist society? How would we make sure science and other subjects were taught in classrooms rather than blind anti-science and anti-rational religious doctrines?

[BIXX]

I would leave it up to the fact that those places would slowly fail, due to complete lack of a correct education. Eventually, someone would notice something was wrong. Also, there are gonna be teachers in those areas that are not anti-science and anti-rational, who would have to option to teach it if they believed it was correct. Then people would see their students succeeding, and I think people would realize that the religious indoctrination didn't work.

[Yazman]

Why do people think there's no co-ordination in an anarcho-communist or syndicalist society? Just because the state has been abolished it doesn't mean there's no government, and no co-ordination. It doesn't mean teachers all just decide on their own what to teach. There would still be bodies co-ordinating curriculums.

[BIXX]

Why do people think there's no co-ordination in an anarcho-communist or syndicalist society? Just because the state has been abolished it doesn't mean there's no government, and no co-ordination. It doesn't mean teachers all just decide on their own what to teach. There would still be bodies co-ordinating curriculums.

I feel like it would have to be left up to communal committees that were completely open to whoever wanted to join. Just like the community would decide for example, what they needed most, and use that information to decide what they should produce, I feel the community would decide what it needed to know the most, and it would, in effect, produce that knowledge.

[Yazman]

I agree, although I think those with expertise in the various areas - the sciences, craftsmanship, math, etc should naturally be in a better position to help guide the curriculum towards where it should be.

[Blake's Baby]

What are 'schools'? Why would they exist in any way like they do now, in a post-revolutionary society?

There's an African proverb (allegedly) that runs 'it takes a village to bring up a child'. I think the practice of taking children, making them sit in small rooms in an institution that removes them regular society while someone tries to 'teach them stuff' is a pretty alienating experience for all concerned. I don't expect 'schools' to work in anything like the same way after the revolution.

That being the case: 'education authorities' (whatever they are) will not be inclined to hire (whatever that means) headteachers who put 'results' (?) ahead of pupil development; thus those 'headteachers' (who won't exist, school administration will be voted on by the teachers, pupils and community) won't be hunting for weird disciplinarian teachers with conservative (or downright backward) social views in order to drive up the school's 'examination results' (?) in order to get more 'funding' (whatever that means).

Also, I suspect, younger children won't be stuck with the same teachers all the time, so if any of them do have odd views, well, a) it'll even out and b) the community will be able to get rid of them more easily.

[subcp]

Right- I think it was Lunacharsky who experimented with different means of socialization and education of children. I've read that Freud either studied or was interested in studying how the neonatal Soviet Republic was communally raising the orphaned children (due to the civil war and revolution).

That is a problem I have with syndicalism- particularly the technocratic flavor of syndicalism (demonstrated concretely in, oddly enough, William Z. Foster's pamphlet he wrote while a member of the IWW, or De Leonism). He basically says that the industrial unions in every industry should be in charge of their industry, for the interest of society. He gives the example that "coal miners and steelworkers aren't medical experts, so it would be up to the medical union to come to a consensus on, say, a new vaccine, and require the whole community to take it". It's a dictatorship of specialists; workerist self-managed capitalism. While I don't think all self-identifying syndicalists (wobblies, anarcho-syndicalists) have a vision of this 'one big union' or 'socialist industrial union' run society, I do think elements of it have survived over the years here and there.

So, I'd guess what would happen if that were possible and did indeed happen (not likely), the international educational union's teacher/professors branch would meet and delegate authority to the top who would come up with lesson plans and curriculum for all teachers everywhere to teach.

But most anarcho-syndicalists would argue that teachers (and all workers) institute direct action tactics and organize with autonomous forms of organization that are inclusive and expansive to overthrow capitalism and all states and abolish class society and build communism; not create unions that everyone has to join and run capitalist society without capitalists.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Go all Ferrer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesc_Ferrer_i_Gu%C3%A0rdia) and Freire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Freire) on that shit.

[redblood_blackflag]

just because the state has been abolished it doesn't mean there's no government, .

that is actually what it means, unless you call some other group besides "the state" "the government"

[redblood_blackflag]

a new vaccine, and require the whole community to take it". .
What community? By what authority are the individuals in this community, stateless and classless, required to take their vaccine?

[redblood_blackflag]

So in an anarcho-communist and syndicalist society where teachers controlled their own destiny, how would it be ensured that teachers weren't indoctrinating kids and teaching them falsehoods?
Take some southern states in the U.S. for example. Places where sometimes the majority of teachers think creationism is correct and evolution is false. Suppose you had a science teacher or something down there who decided they wanted to teach creationism and had the support of other teachers, etc.
Obviously this would be counterproductive because it would leading less people learning actual science and being fed lies instead.
How could stuff like this be stopped in an anarcho-syndicalist and anarcho-communist society? How would we make sure science and other subjects were taught in classrooms rather than blind anti-science and anti-rational religious doctrines?

If this society is stateless, classless, with no ruling class, then these things can only be left alone. One poster mentioned they would fail. Perhaps, and if they are failing, they should, in my opinion be left to fail before any "assistance" is given to them at the expense of others who do not consent, or before forceful regulation by another is imposed upon their school.
Does your stateless, classless society "ban" all religious schools?
Who has the authority to do this?
As long as these schools, and all others, are patronized on a voluntary basis, attendance is not considered compulsory, and the groups perceived to be in charge of them are not attempting to regulate other peoples curriculum, or other people, who are not attempting to do the same to others, then what of it?
Do you have a crusade to abolish teaching children the story of santa claus just because you might be against it?
You can't even try to "make sure" schools arent teaching religion, or skewing from the 'official curriculum,' without a ruling class, and even with one you would never be able to, and any attempt to do so can only be aggressive against people who were not actually aggressive, a claim to rule them.