The people must isolate the activity of the fascists in the neighbourhoods

[Delenda Carthago]

A 29 year old fire-fighter and a 25 year old, who has attracted the attention of the police in the past in connection with robberies, confessed that they murdered a Pakistani immigrant, early in the morning 17/1, in Petralona. As it has been made known, the victim was travelling on a bicycle in Trion Ierarchion Street, when at number 65 he was attacked savagely by two Greeks with stiletto knives. Immediately afterwards, they tried to disappear. Residents of the area informed the police and provided details of the motorbike, which was later found in the Syntagma area. According to information, the two men claimed that their victim blocked the road with his bicycle and after an argument they attacked and killed him.

The Attica Party Organization of the KKE issued a statement regarding the savage murder of the immigrant. The statement is as follows:

“Attica Party Organization of the KKE denounces the savage murder of an immigrant by two fascists in the area of Petralona today (17/1) in the morning.

This incident is not the first, it is to be added to a macabre list of racist attacks which for some time have been going on in Athens’ neighbourhoods.

The government has serious responsibilities regarding the fostering of racism, and the blaming of the immigrants for the problem of unemployment and the wretched living conditions in many areas of the centre of Athens.

The “law and order” operation called “Xenios Zeus” provided cover for and fostered the toleration of the criminal activity of the fascist racist gangs. The state repression and the racist attacks are inter-connected and support each other.

We call on the working class, the people, the youth, in a mass way to denounce and isolate the activity of the fascists in the neighbourhoods. They must not tolerate the fascists attack squads which today murder immigrants and tomorrow the struggling people.”

According to information from the police, 50 election leaflets of Golden Dawn were found at the house of the 25 year old. Three stiletto knives, an air gun, two clubs, two army issue bullets, a knuckle duster and metal pellets were confiscated at the houses of the two arrested men.




--RASXKIfgw


http://inter.kke.gr/News/news2013/2013-01-18-metanastis

[Sasha]

That's a more than decent statement, credit where credit is due, thanx

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

Yea, it looks like the KKE might actually be capable of leading a revolution. I'm not counting my chickens yet but I do have some hopes for them yet.

[Clarion]

The KKE has barely been able to win more than a token increase in its electoral representation out of the current troubles and have consigned themselves to irrelevance by refusing to form a united front with Syriza.

[Delenda Carthago]

The KKE has barely been able to win more than a token increase in its electoral representation out of the current troubles and have consigned themselves to irrelevance by refusing to form a united front with Syriza.
Unfortunatly we missed that and now we dont have the chanse to speak with great think tanks that work for the victory of communism like Brookings and Levy alongside with Tsipras.

God damnit.:mad:

[Clarion]

No, you're right. You can't let the workers dilute you Stalinist dogma. Third periodism has always worked so well in the past.

[Delenda Carthago]

No, you're right. You can't let the workers dilute you Stalinist dogma. Third periodism has always worked so well in the past.
I m sorry, I didnt hear you. I was watching this (http://www.brookings.edu/events/2013/01/22-greece-economy). What were you saying?

[Delenda Carthago]

And since this is the antifascist section, whoever guesses what tha fuck this is, wins the prise!:cool:

https://athens.indymedia.org/local/webcast/uploads/ekklisia_kai_aristera_2.jpg

[Luís Henrique]

No, you're right. You can't let the workers dilute you Stalinist dogma. Third periodism has always worked so well in the past.

To be honest, their note does not actually stinks of third periodism.

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

And since this is the antifascist section, whoever guesses what tha fuck this is, wins the prise!:cool:

https://athens.indymedia.org/local/webcast/uploads/ekklisia_kai_aristera_2.jpg

It's Greek to me.

Church and Left, and I recognise a few words, theology, ancient philosophers, January, synedrium (synedrium?!), Tessalonica, Aristotelic, pritanias, Ellados. Ah, synodus, so synodus of the Greek Church.

So, some event (seminary, symposium?) on some kind of Liberation Theology, or more generally on the relations between Christian faith and leftist politics, yesterday and today (or yesterday and before, depending on the difference between Brasília and Athenas times), in Tessalonika, involving a Chrisostomus Stamulis (who is a "prosdros" - professor? - in relation to theology) and a Miltiades Constantinos (who also is a "prosdros", but in relation to something organic or organizational).

Luís Henrique

Ah... panepistemiou, all knowledge. University? Aristotelic University in Tessaloniki?

The dean (president, rector, pritanes?) of the Aristotelic University in Tessaloniki, in cooperation with the Synodus of the Greek Orthodox Church? They promote the event?

[Clarion]

They're not prepared to work with the larger social-democratic party on the grounds that they're a social democratic party. It sounds exactly like third periodism to me.

[Delenda Carthago]

It's Greek to me.

Church and Left, and I recognise a few words, theology, ancient philosophers, January, synedrium (synedrium?!), Tessalonica, Aristotelic, pritanias, Ellados. Ah, synodus, so synodus of the Greek Church.

So, some event on some kind of Liberation Theology, or more generally on the relations between Christian faith and leftist politics, yesterday and today (or yesterday and before, depending on the difference between Brasília and Athenas times), in Tessalonika, involving a Chrisostomus Stamulis (who is a "prosdros" - professor? - in relation to theology) and a Miltiades Constantinos (who also is a "prosdros", but in relation to something organic or organizational).

Luís Henrique
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Well done dude! Impressive!

[Delenda Carthago]

They're not prepared to work with the larger social-democratic party on the grounds that they're a social democratic party. It sounds exactly like third periodism to me.
Work on what? How to improve our relationship with Obama and american think tanks? How to manage capitalism against the working class interest?

Bad, bad stalinists.:D

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

They're not prepared to work with the larger social-democratic party on the grounds that they're a social democratic party. It sounds exactly like third periodism to me.

That's not called third positionism, that's called principle

And what's wrong with third positionism?

[Luís Henrique]

Well done dude! Impressive!

το βραβείο?

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

They're not prepared to work with the larger social-democratic party on the grounds that they're a social democratic party. It sounds exactly like third periodism to me.

That's what has transpired from their actions and words before, between, and after the elections of May and June; but this note does not follow such line, at least apparently - and here is some hope that it reflects some reevalution of the Greek situation by the KKE.

Luís Henrique

[Clarion]

Work on what? How to improve our relationship with Obama and american think tanks? How to manage capitalism against the working class interest?

Bad, bad stalinists.:D

Work with the larger workers' party against austerity while making the case to the workers that their opportunist leaders will always sell out and that only socialism offers a real solution. It's all there in Lenin.


That's not called third positionism, that's called principle

It's called sectarianism. And third periodism.


And what's wrong with third positionism?

Freudian slip?

[Ostrinski]

Third positionism is a fascist political ideology. Luckily that is not what Clarion was talking about.

What Clarion is referring to is a set of policies and positions of the Comintern collectively known as the Third Period wherein they predicted economic collapse in the west and subsequent working class radicalism. This led them to take hostile positions toward moderate socialist and reformist parties, such as in Germany where the Comintern aligned KPD refused to enter into a united front with the SPD to block the fascists from power.

This hostility on the part of the Communists went so far as them using the term "social fascist" to refer to social democrats.

[Luís Henrique]

That's not called third positionism, that's called principle

And what's wrong with third positionism?

You mean third periodism; third positionism is fascism.

Third periodism is wrong because it ignores the destructive potential of a fascist regime (it seems to rely on the dellusion that fascists in power will respect bourgeois legality, and consequently be easily defeated in further elections - after Hitler, us).

Luís Henrique

[Delenda Carthago]

Work with the larger workers' party against austerity while making the case to the workers that their opportunist leaders will always sell out and that only socialism offers a real solution. It's all there in Lenin.


Α. SYRIZA is not "the larger" neither "workers" party. SYRIZA has only a bigger percentage of votes. Still, as a party is much smaller than the Communist Party.

B. We live one of the biggest crisis in the history of capitalism. A crisis in which our collective analyses seems like there is no exit other than revolution. Nothing can be achieved today within the bounderies of the system that would be on the benefit of the working class.

C.There is a party in the country that is maybe the weakest link in Europe that puts the issue of workers power to its daily agenda and one that trys to find ways to manage it within the same system. The same party has given up every battle in the working places, destroying the working class movement both from above(spreading illusions on whether capitalism can provide to the people with just a better management) and below(by fuckin every union they touch). Above that, they started really messing up by coming close with USA imperialism as we see these days.

And we have to collaborate for them because and on what exactly..? I dont know what, but I know Lenin has nothing to do with it. As a matter of fact, Commintern itself was a creation that was a need in order to get away by such politics.

Now you and your party can work with whoever you want. The Labour Party, since you are british and after all "its the bigger workers party". But KKE is not going to play the left alibi of the system. But every "left wing government" in Europe has already failed. AKEL, Red-Green Allience etc have all started austerity meauseres. :rolleyes:

[Delenda Carthago]

And as far as fascism goes, KKE believes that only the working class(and its allience) can be antifascist, so the strategy of People's Fronts is rejected. Either you are with the revolution, or with the System, in any form of its. Communism or Barbarity. Whoever disagrees can do elsewise, but he has to check on history and tells us when was it that Antifascist Governments really stopped fascism rise to power and why not.

[Thirsty Crow]

They're not prepared to work with the larger social-democratic party on the grounds that they're a social democratic party. It sounds exactly like third periodism to me.
It sounds like a terribly misguided historical analogy. Do you really think that GD represents a threat on a level of the NSDAP of the early 30s?
And of course, that does not even touch the issue of the effect of "working with socialdemocrats". And if you wonder what would that be, it's called political capitulation before reformism.

[Delenda Carthago]

I tryed to avoid commenting but its imposible: what fuckin "third periodism"??
What "stalinism" and what "trotskyism". Whoever still defies himself with such characterises, means that has made ANY conclusions by the history of the last 70 years.

KKE is neither that, or the other. KKE is a m-l party, that has made its own analyses and conclusions, and defines itself on neither campus. And experience and material analyse is what it defines the strategy, not ideology of what either Stalin or Trotsky said.

And if you really want to really understand the party's way of thinking, you should read texts like this (http://www.revleft.com/vb/certain-issues-regarding-t177523/index.html). The title is self exlpenatory.