US war against Terrorism

[Red Star]

I support the US in Afghanistan and hunting down Osama bin Laden. On the other hand isn't a "War against Terrorism" a little broad. Terrorist cells will continue forming in every rogue country. The fire of terrorism can't be put out with fire. A great opportunity exists for the forming of communist countries and an end to the oppresion of the third world.

[Guest]

Considering the US and its allies support terrorist groups themselves all the War on Terrorism is a fancy "humanitarian" label to crush opposing veiws to imperilism and overall US policy and interests.

[RedCeltic]

I think it was Vox (not sure on that)

Who had the best discription on this... look to the book by George Orwell "1984".... An endless war... either fought against these people, or those people, or these people... alternating every year or so... but never ending... and mearly there to keep up the state of things.

[Freiheit]

There are big discussions about the war in aghanistan,
i am against it, first, other possibilities must be tried.
then war is very, very bad (see for example the
discussion about the mazar e-sharif masacre), war
might only be used, if there is no other possiblitiy. buy
what is about the CIA, the UN and also a trying to talk
and dialogue (after one month you cant have tried
really to talk, were the taliban in the usa or bush in
afghanistan for serious discussion, that also the taliban
can say something and are handled equal?).

but now the us talk about their next aims (somalia, jemen and irak, informations from the starphoenix, saskatoon, ca). that is bad, it becomes an imperilistic american war.
the real war for years is worse than an terrorist-attentat
every 10 years, think about that.

[Nickademus]

just fyi, the US had to act quickly. under international law one of the only times is is acceptable to use force is in self-defence. this is what the US has claimed. one of the requirements is that they act quickly.

having said that i think that what the US is trying to do is legally shit. its also wrong in general. Ido not support the US being in Afghanistan. and i hope that while most people currently support the US action that will end if they attempt to expand the war beyond afghanistan.

[Kez]

I dont reckon the USA will have the backing of major nations such as France and Russia to broaden the attack against "terrorism", to attack iraq, wouldbe the end of a global coalition supporting america.

screw you uncle sam.
comrade kamo

[Moskitto]

A "war" against terrorism can never end.

At least a physical violent war could never end because wherever there's a system there will always be people who want something else.

A war against terrorism would only be succesful if it is more of a "war" to educate people about what is good about the system and to change it to suit everyone.

[Derar]

And now MR bush , after his latest statements ........ he is looking for WWIII !!

[RedCeltic]

They are spreading fear of a Nuclear terrorist attack... saying that Bin Laden may use a dirty bomb or something... Earlier today, I saw them showing old footage of may day in red square.. .with USSR displaying missles and then China... I suppose to feed on people's long seeded fears of a Nuclear war they people had in the cold war.

[Red Star]

Seeing that Saddam is funding much of the terrorist activity against the United States and is an evil man himmself, I think America should go into Iraq as well. The middle east terrorists fight to kill innocent civilians and should be eliminated.

With the rising tension of Israel and Palestine I think there is a possibility of Iraq trying to start another jihad against the jews. America will rush to their aid greatly complicating their allies positions in "The War Against Terrorism". It is getting set to blow up in America's face if they arn't careful.

[Guest]

Where is the evidence that Saddam was funding terrorist attacks against the US?
I havent seen any evidence so far that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 and they are pretty much not a threat at all.
All Saddam is now is another Emmanuel Goldstien because the other Emmanuel Goldstien (Bin Laden) is who knows where.

[Nickademus]

Quote: from Red Star on 4:25 am on Dec. 5, 2001
Seeing that Saddam is funding much of the terrorist activity against the United States and is an evil man himmself, I think America should go into Iraq as well. The middle east terrorists fight to kill innocent civilians and should be eliminated.

With the rising tension of Israel and Palestine I think there is a possibility of Iraq trying to start another jihad against the jews. America will rush to their aid greatly complicating their allies positions in "The War Against Terrorism". It is getting set to blow up in America's face if they arn't careful.


along that reasoning "we" should be able to go into any country where someone is killing innocent people and get them. which i somewhat agree with (although i fear the US thinking they are the new world military/police force). however, from a legal point of view, that is not allowed. even with the creation of the ICC (which may become a reality in the next 6 months folks) it would not be possible to do that. maybe the law needs to be changed, maybe not. that's just the way it stands at the moment.

[Dreadnaht1]

There is absolutely no excuse for the loss of innocent life such as the civilian casualities of the Afghanistan bombing, especially not in this case. And while Bin Laden is a terrorist he was definetly not responsible for the acts of terrorism on 911. Look beyond the propaganda, comrades. I know it runs deep...

Comrade Dread

[Guest]

Bin Laden is just a figurehead of his "terrorist organization" which if it was responsible for 9/11 it would have had help from other terrorist groups and a intellegence agency. You never know,this entire incident could of been created by the Mossad in order to stir anti arab setiment in america

[Derar]

thats exactly what i think .........
here is a little fact : the same morning that the attacks on the WTC accured ,4000 jews who work in the centre didnt go to work at that day !!!!

[MareGrosso]

What USA is doing in Afghanistan is not "war against terrorism". We must open up our minds. How can we believe that the strikes on September the 11th were planned by terrorists against USA? This is bullsheet! The leaders of imperialism thought to do something to start reducing the world's increasing population and mostly to show the whole world that they are the GOD of this world and that they will not let anyone ask for their rights. Well, with that kind of technology they have, how could't they realize that two planes were going to crash into the towers? For their being the most powerful country in the imperialist world, they knew that no one would stand before them. The US wants to construct outposts to serve them like in Israel.

As long as Imperialism live, poverty will always exist. Justice for all must lead the world, prosperity must serve everyone. Capitalism, Imperialism, Libaralism-what the hell they call it- must come to an end!

Freedom and Justice for all! Labor must meet what it deserves..

[Dreadnaht1]

Mare, you couldn't have said it better. I have to aree with you 100% on this one.

Comrade Dread

PS--Welcome to the message board

[Son of Scargill]

Inside the system

The White House Reich

US SECRETARY of State Colin Powell has tried to get the US Senate to accept a known terrorist for a top foreign policy position. Otto Reich topped the list of 18 nominees submitted by Powell last month for the job of Under-Secretary of State for the Western Hemisphere.

Reich joined the Reagan administration in the 1980s as deputy director of the Agency for International Development for Latin America. In 1983 he became head of the Office of Public Diplomacy. This was an arm of the secret operation headed by Lt Col Oliver North. It directed a network of ex-military and CIA officials and gangsters, to supply and train the murderous Contras in Nicaragua.

Reich was directly responsible for floating false news reports about the Nicaraguan government. These included the claim in 1984 that the USSR was supplying sophisticated MiG fighters to Nicaragua. Even the US State Department said the allegation was patently false.

In 1987 a Reagan-appointed top official concluded that Reich's department had broken the law by using funds for purposes not authorised by Congress. But he was not charged, and was moved to be US ambassador to Venezuela. There he worked hard to free Orlando Bosch, a terrorist who had organised the bombing of an Air Cubana flight that claimed 73 lives.

[Red Star]

Mare and Dread I think you are being too close minded. The attacks were obviusly planned by terrorists to kill Americans. Bin Laden is qouted as saying " I want American Children to Die", "It is the job of Muslims to kill Americans" he leads the readical taliban and encourages this type of behavior. Anyone he assosciates with is as guilty as him. As for no evidence of Iraq supporting terrorism against the US that is false. There are meetings between Taliban and Iraqi officials caught on tape in Switzerland. Saddam has been a major financial contributor to the Taliban. Since UN inspectors have been kicked out of Iraq it has been confirmed by defectors that their biological weapons program has advanced and they have to the ability to kill millions. Even rumors of a developing nuclear program have been told. You can not ignore not the facts and expect everything to be ok. The US will not always be the target of terrorism.

[Derar]

Quote: from Red Star on 4:08 am on Dec. 7, 2001
Bin Laden is qouted as saying " I want American Children to Die", "It is the job of Muslims to kill Americans"
There are meetings between Taliban and Iraqi officials caught on tape in Switzerland. Saddam has been a major financial contributor to the Taliban. Since UN inspectors have been kicked out of Iraq it has been confirmed by defectors that their biological weapons program has advanced and they have to the ability to kill millions. Even rumors of a developing nuclear program have been told. You can not ignore not the facts and expect everything to be ok. The US will not always be the target of terrorism.

1. bin laden never said that he wants american children to die , and never said that its the job of muslims to kill americans ( but ofcourse MR bush would like u to say that ) ...... u make bullshit up !
2. what evidence r u talking about of iraq being envolved with taliban bla bla bla , all the world is against bombing iraq , except some US allies ..... including israel which has a big interest in it !!
and something u dont know , the inspectors searched every single meter of iraq , and defused and destroyed 90 % of iraq's long range missiles , and found no bio-chemical weappons !
i saw an interview once on al-jazeera with 3 of the inspectors , they said that they wondered why the US bombed iraq in 1998 , and that they gave the us the reports about everything , but the US said that its not enough !! so it bombed iraq !!
and if we wanna talk about nuclear weapons and chemical weapons , what about israel ?! i never heard about inspectors getting in israel to check for its thousands of chemical warheads ! why iraq from the whole world !! the answer is clear , becoz the us has interests in bombing iraq !!

3. The us will never be free from terrorism , becoz it is a terrorist government !
Terrorism brings terrorism !

[Dreadnaht1]

Even if Laden said he wanted 'American children to die' or what have you, and since we're believing everything he says, Laden did in fact release a tape with him admitting that he was not directly responsible for the terrorist attacks. So if we believe what he says on the one were he states he did do it why not believe him on this one? I'm sure it would be alot better of course if the CIA and British Intelligence decided to release the tape, but since the tape was made back in October I don't think they'll be releasing it--ever. Probobly them protecting us again.

Comrade Dread

[Red Star]

To you people that think Osama Bin Laden is a hero or something, fuck you. Why are you defending this guy? If you believe some of the stuff you write either you dont have access to the news or you also think the moon landing was a hoax and the holocaust never happened.

[Derar]

well , its totally the opposite .........

i wrote what i wrote becoz i have access to the news more than u do .......... lets say i have access to true news , not some made up bullshit !

[Dreadnaht1]

I simply stated that Laden was a scapegoat being used by the U.S. Government as a way to blame and explain all that's happened. This is of course absolute bullshit and it's just common sense that the U.S. would try to find a single person to blame this all on so it's easier for the American people to digest. While I am saying that Laden did not cause the terrorist attacks I'm not saying he's innocent either and he should be punished by the countries he previously attacked prior to 911. NOT BY THE U.S. who's already done enough in the middle east.

Comrade Dread

PS--And yes, NASA is the biggest hoax ever pulled by the U.S. They did it just because the Russians were gonna kick their ass again! It's understandable how someone can't believe that so we'll soon find out in 2004 when the Chinese launch a sattelite that will orbit the moon searching for the lunar landing. Guess they don't believe in that crappy landing footage either.

[Dreadnaht1]

But I'm pretty sure that the Holocaust did happen. I don't understand how the Holocaust and the Lunar Landing go hand in hand but oh well.

Comrade Dread

[Markxs]

i think the jewish leaders themselves are denying the existence of fasicism themselves i see no other explanation which even looks like truth when you look at the current situation with sharon.

can somebody explain me the difference in slaughtering jewish children and palestine. the jewsish LEADERS become the hitlers of this time ( not at all saying that what happend in ww2 is good its absolutly very sick and something i hate from the deepest of my heart! ).

(Edited by Markxs at 3:46 am on Dec. 9, 2001)

[CommieBastard]

the israeli is state, and the jewish people in general (speaking in very generalised terms here) are acting like a spurned child. like some kind of small minded 10 year old bully. Some bigger kid kicked the crap out of em, so they found a smaller kid to vent their rage on.

I have found that thinking of nations in terms children on the schoolyard tends to put things in a very accurate perspective...
they say a mob mentality is stupid, but a nation is that on an even bigger scale.

[Son of Scargill]

I for one do not support Bin Laden,Taleban or any other group that tries to govern people by regressive religious dogma.I think it is counter-productive for the continuation of humanity.However,if it is the wish of the people involved,that is a different matter.What I don't agree with though,is the hypocrisy of western governments,including my own,that are basically larger,more organised,better tooled terrorist organisations.Because they are more effecient they are also more subtle,thus allowing them to try and gain the moral high ground,at least as far as propaganda is concerned.The beauty of special forces and"operationally sensitive data is that they can give out truth or bullshit,and the press and people are none the wiser.I have read the HMG white paper on the evidence against Usama Bin Laden,and I'm afraid he has never given a direct order to kill americans,he has only said that it is every muslims RELIGIOUS duty to drive americans and their allies out of the holy lands,and if that ends in their deaths,then so be it.The guy's not stupid,and he has used his words wisely.At no point does he mention children either,don't know where you got that from.The report concludes that it would be impossible to convict on the evidence they have.Yeah!He's most likely guilty as sin,but we are supposed to be civilised,with a civilised system of law.But all this is being thrown away overnight because a former tool of the west has turned against us(again).

btw,congrats to the US intelligence for killing Mohammed Atef twice,in 2 different countries,that's some going.Or Atef's superhuman,I'll leave that one for someone else to work out.

[Son of Scargill]

What's the difference between Tellytubbies and CNN?

Tellytubies is far more informative and is less biased.

[Son of Scargill]

'Nothing' to the US

RICHARD Lloyd Parry reported in the Independent from the village of Kama Ado where the US says nothing happened: "Until nothing happened here, early on the morning of Saturday and again the following day, it was a village with a small graveyard, but now that has been reversed. The cemetery on the hill contains 40 freshly dug graves, unmarked and identical. And the village of Kama Ado has ceased to exist. At the moment when nothing happened, the villagers of Kama Ado were taking their early morning meal, before sunrise and the beginning of the Ramadan fast. And there in the rubble, dented and ripped, are tokens of the simple daily lives they lead. A contorted tin kettle, turned almost inside out by the blast; a collection of charred cooking pots; and the fragments of an old-fashioned pedal-operated sewing machine. A split metal chest contains scraps of children's clothes. And all this is very strange because, on Saturday morning-when American B-52s unloaded dozens of bombs that killed 115 men, women and children-nothing happened. We know this because the US Department of Defence told us so. 'It just didn't happen.' So god knows what kind of a magic looking-glass I stepped through yesterday, as I travelled along the desert road to Kama Ado. From the moment I woke up, I was confronted with the wreckage and innocent victims of high-altitude, high-tech, thousand pound nothings."

Face it Yankees,you're told even less than we are!

[Dreadnaht1]

Telltubbies, CNN. Hmmm....far too accurate.