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ÑóẊîöʼn
17th January 2013, 09:08
Migration Watch warning on Romania and Bulgaria immigration - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21039087)


About 50,000 people from Romania and Bulgaria will come to the UK every year when restrictions are lifted next year, think tank Migration Watch suggests.

It predicts this level annually in the first five years after these controls end, warning of "significant consequences" for housing and jobs.

Citizens of both countries will have free movement across the EU in 2014.

Ministers say calculations are difficult but the Home Office said it was working to cut net migration.

Prime Minister David Cameron said earlier this week the detail for such calculations "wasn't there yet".

'Attractive destination'

The Home Office said it wanted to move from hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands of migrants by the end of this Parliament.

From next year, like other EU citizens, Bulgarians and Romanians gain the unrestricted right to live and work in the UK where currently, they require authorisation before taking a job.

Migration Watch, which supports tighter immigration controls, said its study suggested its estimates could be considerably higher if there were to be a movement of Roma people to the UK or if some of the nearly one million Romanians resident in Spain and Italy moved to Britain.

It said Germany and the Netherlands were "likely destinations" for Romanian and Bulgarian migrants because their youth unemployment rates were lower than other EU countries.

“It would be very surprising if net migration from Bulgaria and Romania was on the scale predicted by Migration Watch”
- Sarah Mulley, Institute for Public Policy Research

But it said the UK, with youth unemployment at 20%, "is nonetheless an attractive destination, partly because of its flexible labour market and partly because of the ease of access to its benefits system".

Sir Andrew Green, chairman of Migration Watch said: "It is not good enough to duck making an estimate of immigration from Romania and Bulgaria. It is likely to be on a scale that will have significant consequences for housing and public services.

"It will also add further to the competition which young British workers already face.

"We have therefore produced our own estimate as a contribution to an important debate which must include the ease with which migrants to the UK can currently access the welfare state."

It analysed migration from other European countries and the number of Bulgarians and Romanians already in Britain before making its estimates.

Sarah Mulley, of the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) think tank said that although it was "very difficult to predict migration flows with any degree of confidence in these circumstances" the estimates put forward by Migration Watch "look high".

She said: "The UK is opening access to its labour markets along with the rest of Europe and the process of opening up to Bulgaria and Romania has been a gradual one, in contrast with 2004 when the UK was the only large EU country to open its labour market and when borders and labour market access were opened at the same time.

"So it would be very surprising if net migration from Bulgaria and Romania was on the scale predicted by Migration Watch."

Temporary curbs on Romanian and Bulgarian migration were imposed by the Labour government in 2005 to protect the UK labour market.

The Labour Party has said it would support any moves to extend the measures.

But Home Secretary Theresa May said in November temporary curbs could not continue under EU law and the government was looking instead at limiting access to benefits and the NHS to reduce the "pull factors" that encouraged migrants to come to the UK.

Last weekend, Communities Secretary Eric Pickles warned an "influx" of Romanians and Bulgarians would add to the existing housing problems in the UK.

'Pull factors'

But he refused to give an estimate of the numbers of people who might move to Britain after getting the right to live and work in the UK in December, saying he did not want to start a "scare story" and that more work had to be done on drawing up a robust figure.

The government's migration advisory committee has also said there is evidence that Bulgarians would move to Britain because of its stronger economy, and it was "plausible" Romanians would come for the same reason.

The Home Office said: "We are working to cut net migration from hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands by the end of this Parliament and our tough new rules are already taking effect with overall net migration falling by a quarter in the past year.

"In terms of European immigration, we are working closely with other government departments to look at the pull factors that may encourage EU nationals, including those from Bulgaria and Romania, to come to the UK.

"The government has made clear it will always apply transitional controls on new EU member states and will continue work to cut out abuse of free movement."

The BBC, acting as the mouthpiece for yet another "think tank" set up by the rich and powerful to influence public discourse. Fuck Migration Watch for being xenophobic racists and fuck the BBC for giving them a platform.

What worse is that 50,000 isn't actually a terribly huge number compared to the 60+ million people already here (and no, this country is not "full"), but that number is sure to be used as a rallying call for purblind reactionaries across the country.

Despite the fact that 60,000,000 divided by 50,000 = 1200, which is the amount by which current residents would outnumber each of these at present hypothetical immigrants.

Fuck!

Vladimir Innit Lenin
17th January 2013, 09:51
Yeah it's fucked.

It's so sad that this will probably just lead to a rise in anti-eastern european sentiment, they'll just become another scapegoat for our ills. I wish immigration had been properly managed throughout the country. There are some places in London where it has been, and where you've got so many different cultures that have integrated it's amazing, but then you've got other places where people are separated according to nationality or whatever and it's like a load of poverty-stricken ghettos.

Oswy
17th January 2013, 10:03
Yeah, I used to gave the BBC the benefit of the doubt over the extent to which they act as mouthpiece for all kinds of right-wing propaganda - I put it down to them being politically naive. Not any more. As far as I'm concerned BBC News knows exactly what it's doing by entertaining a constant stream of right-wing 'think tanks' and 'business leaders' in a matter of fact, 'neutral' way. In the end the BBC has to do what its political masters want and its political masters are the capitalist class.

Futility Personified
17th January 2013, 12:27
Yeah, I used to gave the BBC the benefit of the doubt over the extent to which they act as mouthpiece for all kinds of right-wing propaganda - I put it down to them being politically naive. Not any more. As far as I'm concerned BBC News knows exactly what it's doing by entertaining a constant stream of right-wing 'think tanks' and 'business leaders' in a matter of fact, 'neutral' way. In the end the BBC has to do what its political masters want and its political masters are the capitalist class.

I recall hearing that to create this "neutrality" when they take on individuals from the political class they rotate between labour and tory. As if that really makes a difference. The BBC maintains a semblance of credibility because sometimes, they will report factually. And that's it. It's tempting to say they're the perfect example of lie a little and get away with a lot, but that is over simplistic. I really want to like the BBC because the other big operator is Sky, but to be honest the best places to get news are from things like Russia Today who have no real stake in the UK capitalist system.

But this is extremely problematic, because ever since "bigotgate" (it is bigoted referring to people as if they are not sentient based on where they migrate from) the political mainstream has institutionalised the idea that immigration is a "bad thing". I'm from a working class town in the west country, so I don't know how generalisable my experience is to others, but my experience of working class sentiment to immigration has generally been hostile. If it is now state sanctioned policy to badmouth immigration, i'm sorry, but after my degree i'm on the first boat out of the shithole. I really don't see an effective way to counter this.

Oswy
17th January 2013, 12:47
I recall hearing that to create this "neutrality" when they take on individuals from the political class they rotate between labour and tory. As if that really makes a difference. The BBC maintains a semblance of credibility because sometimes, they will report factually. And that's it. It's tempting to say they're the perfect example of lie a little and get away with a lot, but that is over simplistic. I really want to like the BBC because the other big operator is Sky, but to be honest the best places to get news are from things like Russia Today who have no real stake in the UK capitalist system.

But this is extremely problematic, because ever since "bigotgate" (it is bigoted referring to people as if they are not sentient based on where they migrate from) the political mainstream has institutionalised the idea that immigration is a "bad thing". I'm from a working class town in the west country, so I don't know how generalisable my experience is to others, but my experience of working class sentiment to immigration has generally been hostile. If it is now state sanctioned policy to badmouth immigration, i'm sorry, but after my degree i'm on the first boat out of the shithole. I really don't see an effective way to counter this.

I'd have to admit to still watching BBC news over any other domestic news provider but I do so only because I think they are the least worst option as far as being a mouthpiece for capitalism is concerned (they are more obviously the mouthpiece of the establishment, which isn't exactly the same thing). I routinely take in Russia Today and Al Jazeera news as something of a corrective - though not without recognising that they have their own agendas too.

Although the capitalist class often do use immigration to bring wages down in specific localities we still have to see the local effects as a symptom of a problem generated by capitalism - which I'll admit your average working-class observer, getting his or her information from The Sun and Sky News, isn't going to be open to (and I say this as a working-class person myself). It's something of a sad fact that keeping those who are most exploited or alienated by capitalism ignorant, and thus prejudiced, by dangling scapegoats, distractions and baubels in their faces has been proving an effective strategy.

I have elderly family to look after here and a distinct lack of funds anyway but if it were otherwise I'd gladly go and live in rural Greece for the rest of my days.

Arlekino
17th January 2013, 16:19
Defiantly BBC News are right wing, news raping, murders sometimes even reporting so in detail make me sick, anti east Europeans fed up to listening . How on hell we still pay licence.