The Young Turks

[Fourth Internationalist]

Hi everyone. I'm curious to know what you think about The Young Turks, an online liberal news show. I watched them when I was a liberal, and I still watch them now. What's your opinion on them? Are they helpful to our cause? Did they help you on your way to socialism? Do you like the show? Do you watch it?


"The Young Turks is the largest online news show in the world, covering politics, pop culture and lifestyle. The TYT Network is one of the Top 50 YouTube Partners, with over 30 million views a month and over 670 million total video views on The Young Turks YouTube Channel alone.

Young Turk (n), 1. Young progressive or insurgent member of an institution, movement, or political party. 2. Young person who rebels against authority or societal expectations.(American Heritage Dictionary)

An award-winning online broadcast, The Young Turks won the 2011 People’s Voice Webby Award for Best News & Politics Series, 2011 News/Politics Shorty Award, and Best Political Podcast 2009 at the Podcast Awards and Best Political News Site 2009 at the Mashable Awards. Additionally, The Young Turks with Cenk Uygur debuted on Current TV in December 2011.

The TYT Network includes The Young Turks, What the Flick?!, TYT University, TYT Sports, TYT Interviews, TYT Shows, The Top Vlog, twenTYTwelve, and the newest show, The Point."

- The Young Turks Website
http://www.tytnetwork.com/info/

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

They have good stuff. Though I find it extremely distasteful that they named themselves after a turkish fascist movement that took over the Ottoman Empire in a Coup, spewed non-sense racial mysticism, and committed acts of genocide against christian minorities.

These left-overs from the former Young Turk Party, who should have been made to account for the millions of our Christian subjects who were ruthlessly driven en masse, from their homes and massacred, have been restive under the Republican rule ... They have hitherto lived on plunder, robbery and bribery and become inimical to any idea, or suggestion to enlist in useful labor and earn their living by the honest sweat of their brow ... Under the cloak of the opposition party, this element, who forced our country into the Great War against the will of the people, who caused the shedding of rivers of blood of the Turkish youth to satisfy the criminal ambition of Enver Pasha, has, in a cowardly fashion, intrigued against my life, as well as the lives of the members of my cabinet."

~Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

So yea, good content, but that is seriously fucked up

[Flying Purple People Eater]

They're just closet-sexist liberals who make the occasional video bagging the American right for its sheer sheer stupidity, much like TheAmazingAtheist and other moderate left groups/people on the blogosphere.

[Tenka]

They're... a liberal online news show. Not bad as far as bourgeois news goes, but Cenk is an arsehole and crypto-lolbertarian; you can tell from his language in many episodes of late. I can't stop myself going back to them because they, sometimes, cover interesting stories and are amusing, but I daren't subscribe. It would feel unprincipled to subscribe. I just type their channel in the youtube search bar every day. ... :(

[#FF0000]

"young turk" is also a phrase used to describe "young upstarts" in an organization, so.

But yeah they're okay sometimes. Cenk seems like a dick though.

[Leftsolidarity]

They're alright but like most liberals fall short when criticizing the right and giving a clear picture of the actual problems we face. I do enjoy watching them from time to time but that Cenk guy is way less funny than he thinks he is. For me it's like a non-funny version of John Stewart.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

"young turk" is also a phrase used to describe "young upstarts" in an organization, so.

And faggot also means stick, but that excuse isn't fooling anyone. It's not like he shouldn't know better. He's turkish and was born in Turkey so he definitely knows who the Young Turks are, so excuse me for the fact that I can't find myself sympathizing with some liberal who wants to trivialize the deaths of millions of people by pulling some bullshit definition out of his ass so he can abdicate himself of any accusations of ultra-nationalism. I don't see how he can say he's a liberal while denying the Armenian Genocide. He wrote this letter in response to an article about the Armenian genocide on Salon that apparently offended him.


I am a Turkish-American and I am sure my views will also be looked upon with a certain wariness, but I do not subscribe to the idea that I am disqualified from objectivity by my ethnicity.

First, at the very beginning of the article, you seem to reach a conclusion -- "The central Armenian experience of the 20th century, after all, was the death of as many as 1.5 million Armenians ..." and "Every neutral scholar agrees that the Turkish position is propaganda."

The United States helped to sponsor war propaganda against Turkey during World War I as part of an official campaign to smear its enemies, as it did with Germany. Part of this propaganda was the evil butchery of the Turks against the defenseless Christian Armenians. This is what has been rooted in the popular memory of America, with very few Turkish-Americans to combat the insinuations of savagery, yet this is not propaganda?

As far as I could see from the article, every non-Armenian scholar in the field believes it is an open question whether this event was a genocide. Is it the claim of the article that all of these people are tainted by the tentacles of the Turkish government? If not, then why is it not pointed out that no one outside of the "Armenian position" believes it is a genocide? Why is it assumed that the "Turkish studies side" has the burden of proof in overturning the verdict of Turkish guilt? It is because of the underlying assumption that despite what these people in "Turkish studies" say, there must have been a genocide.

I once asked a professor of mine who taught a class on the laws of war and war crimes at Columbia Law School to deprogram me from all the propaganda I had received growing up Turkish. I asked him to please find me evidence of the genocide by neutral scholars so I could know the truth.

After investigating the issue, he came back and said that he could not find one non-Armenian scholar who believed this was a genocide, but since "it looked like a duck, it walked like a duck and it talked like a duck, it must be a duck." If that's not the product of excellent propaganda, I don't know what is.

So yea, his show is good sometimes, but I refuse to reconcile that with his flagrant racism. I guess that makes him a liberal Glenn Beck

[Tenka]

They're alright but like most liberals fall short when criticizing the right and giving a clear picture of the actual problems we face. I do enjoy watching them from time to time but that Cenk guy is way less funny than he thinks he is. For me it's like a non-funny version of John Stewart.

I don't think John Stewart is funny either. Stephen Colbert is somewhat funny, by comparison. Also, that comedian they have on TYT sometimes, Jimmy Dore, the comedian, is ironically the most unfunny person there.

EDIT:

And faggot also means stick, but that excuse isn't fooling anyone. It's not like he shouldn't know better. He's turkish and was born in Turkey so he definitely knows who the Young Turks are, so excuse me for the fact that I can't find myself sympathizing with some liberal who wants to trivialize the deaths of millions of people by pulling some bullshit definition out of his ass so he can abdicate himself of any accusations of ultra-nationalism. I don't see how he can say he's a liberal while denying the Armenian Genocide. He wrote this letter in response to an article about the Armenian genocide on Salon that apparently offended him.


I am a Turkish-American and I am sure my views will also be looked upon with a certain wariness, but I do not subscribe to the idea that I am disqualified from objectivity by my ethnicity.

First, at the very beginning of the article, you seem to reach a conclusion -- "The central Armenian experience of the 20th century, after all, was the death of as many as 1.5 million Armenians ..." and "Every neutral scholar agrees that the Turkish position is propaganda."

The United States helped to sponsor war propaganda against Turkey during World War I as part of an official campaign to smear its enemies, as it did with Germany. Part of this propaganda was the evil butchery of the Turks against the defenseless Christian Armenians. This is what has been rooted in the popular memory of America, with very few Turkish-Americans to combat the insinuations of savagery, yet this is not propaganda?

As far as I could see from the article, every non-Armenian scholar in the field believes it is an open question whether this event was a genocide. Is it the claim of the article that all of these people are tainted by the tentacles of the Turkish government? If not, then why is it not pointed out that no one outside of the "Armenian position" believes it is a genocide? Why is it assumed that the "Turkish studies side" has the burden of proof in overturning the verdict of Turkish guilt? It is because of the underlying assumption that despite what these people in "Turkish studies" say, there must have been a genocide.

I once asked a professor of mine who taught a class on the laws of war and war crimes at Columbia Law School to deprogram me from all the propaganda I had received growing up Turkish. I asked him to please find me evidence of the genocide by neutral scholars so I could know the truth.

After investigating the issue, he came back and said that he could not find one non-Armenian scholar who believed this was a genocide, but since "it looked like a duck, it walked like a duck and it talked like a duck, it must be a duck." If that's not the product of excellent propaganda, I don't know what is.

So yea, his show is good sometimes, but I refuse to reconcile that with his flagrant racism. I guess that makes him a liberal Glenn Beck

Oh yes, he is a bit racist, Cenk is. On 90% of stories involving Germany he makes some "joke" about them being into uniquely weird porn or something like that. He is sexist, too; and did I mention he uses Lolbertarian words like "crony-capitalism"? And he substitutes "middle-class" for working class as frequently as he remembers to.

[#FF0000]

And faggot also means stick, but that excuse isn't fooling anyone.

I dunno dude. I think that usage of the phrase is a lot more common than references to an early 20th century nationalist party.

It's pretty weird that "young turk" has come to mean what is does, though.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Well, Cenk hasn't been mesmerised by Obama's "progressive" façade and I consider that a redeeming feature in an American liberal.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I paid a little attention to them until the main guy host said that he didn't oppose all drone strikes -- he just thinks they should be "smart."

[Fourth Internationalist]

I don't see how he can say he's a liberal while denying the Armenian Genocide.

Hey I know that Cenk used to deny the Armenian genocide, however, he was raised as a conservative in Turkey. He became liberal much later in his life. His co-host, Ana Kasparian, an Armenian-American, defended him saying it was his old views, which, while never directly mentioning the genocide denial (most people wouldn't), he often brings up and makes fun of. Also, I think he uses the name because he found it in a dictionary and its definition fits his liberal views, and it has "Turk" in it, and he's, obviously, a Turk. I don't think throwing the words ultra-nationalist around at someone who many people like will ever get them to come to our side.


On 90% of stories involving Germany he makes some "joke" about them being into uniquely weird porn or something like that.

It's a funny stereotype.


He is sexist, too
He's not. Yeah, he's a bit obsessed with stereotypes but that doesn't mean he's sexist. I hate it when people call others sexist, racist, homophobic, etc. when it's not appropriate.


I don't think John Stewart is funny either.
Do you have any emotions or feelings at all?! :P


did I mention he uses Lolbertarian words like "crony-capitalism"?
That's the number one thing I hate about him.

[kashkin]

And he substitutes "middle-class" for working class as frequently as he remembers to.

That's pretty common. Most liberals don't mention the word working class, it goes straight from 'poor' to 'middle-class'.

[#FF0000]

I dunno about Cenk being sexist but he does seem hella "bro-y" so I wouldn't be surprised.

[Ostrinski]

Cenk is a chauvinist piece of human filth and has an untoppably annoying voice to boot. Can't stand that piece of shit. I'd rather watch fucking RussiaToday and then sit through one program of this embarrassingly awful progressive news network.

[Let's Get Free]

I watch them every once in a while on youtube. They're whatever to me.

[Leftsolidarity]

It's a funny stereotype.


He's not. Yeah, he's a bit obsessed with stereotypes but that doesn't mean he's sexist. I hate it when people call others sexist, racist, homophobic, etc. when it's not appropriate.



Yeahhhhh not at all. Racism and other bigotry isn't "funny" nor is it inappropriate to call people out for bigoted comments even if they're meant to be "funny".

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

Yeahhhhh not at all. Racism and other bigotry isn't "funny" nor is it inappropriate to call people out for bigoted comments even if they're meant to be "funny".

....and it's inappropriate to trivilize genocide.


Sorry to be pushing that point, but it's kind of a big deal.

[p0is0n]

Cenk is a chauvinist piece of human filth and has an untoppably annoying voice to boot. Can't stand that piece of shit. I'd rather watch fucking RussiaToday and then sit through one program of this embarrassingly awful progressive news network.
I haven't really paid attention to The Young Turks, but I do remember the annoying voice and references to "crony capitalism" and similiar liberal apologism then and now when I've come across their clips.

Many of you think he is a sexist and a chauvunist, can you expand on this?

[Red Enemy]

In my opinion: they can be fun at times, and obnoxiously too liberal at other times to the point of annoyance. I still watch them on youtube, and enjoy some of the stuff.

I'm looking forward to Cenk interviewing Alex Jones tonight on Current TV, however (i'll be watching it on youtube when they post it).

[Fourth Internationalist]

Yeahhhhh not at all. Racism and other bigotry isn't "funny" nor is it inappropriate to call people out for bigoted comments even if they're meant to be "funny".

The Young Turks is probably the most racially diverse you can get. I'm pretty sure they're jokes (whIch are generally towards each other) because all of them laugh about it. Calling them bigots makes you look like one of those idiots who thinks everything is racist. I see Stormfront was partrally right.

[Fourth Internationalist]

I haven't really paid attention to The Young Turks, but I do remember the annoying voice and references to "crony capitalism" and similiar liberal apologism then and now when I've come across their clips.

Many of you think he is a sexist and a chauvunist, can you expand on this?

Some people here are over sensitive when people make jokes and tease each other about race, weight, or any stereotype that may apply to the two involved.

[Leftsolidarity]

The Young Turks is probably the most racially diverse you can get. I'm pretty sure they're jokes (whIch are generally towards each other) because all of them laugh about it. Calling them bigots makes you look like one of those idiots who thinks everything is racist. I see Stormfront was partrally right.

Racist "jokes" are still racist so saying "that's racist" doesn't seem very stupid to me. I don't know where you're coming from with this apologism for racist jokes. Glad to hear you like Stormfront's views?

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

The Young Turks is probably the most racially diverse you can get. I'm pretty sure they're jokes (whIch are generally towards each other) because all of them laugh about it. Calling them bigots makes you look like one of those idiots who thinks everything is racist. I see Stormfront was partrally right.

Well you know the whole appologizing for genocide thing is a pretty good indicator of racism. I know I am harping on that point but you know, fucking genocide man, that shit is fucked up.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Yeahhhhh not at all. Racism and other bigotry isn't "funny" nor is it inappropriate to call people out for bigoted comments even if they're meant to be "funny".

Have Germans suffered a significant history of oppression anywhere? Because otherwise I think it's really bizarre to get worked up about this.

[Fourth Internationalist]

....and it's inappropriate to trivilize genocide.


Sorry to be pushing that point, but it's kind of a big deal.

Even though he raised in Turkey as a conservative makIng those belIefs what he was IndoctrInated Into, but has become a liberal and has abandoned those vIews, you still think he holds those same views anyways? Why?

[Fourth Internationalist]

Well you know the whole appologizing for genocide thing is a pretty good indicator of racism. I know I am harping on that point but you know, fucking genocide man, that shit is fucked up.

That's what he was taught as a conservative Moslem kid living in Turkey, but has now for a long time not held those views and is an agnostic liberal, but yet you still think it's something to judge him on today? Ever heard of indoctrination?

[Ostrinski]

The Young Turks is probably the most racially diverse you can get. I'm pretty sure they're jokes (whIch are generally towards each other) because all of them laugh about it. Calling them bigots makes you look like one of those idiots who thinks everything is racist. I see Stormfront was partrally right.We could carry on and refuse to recognize racism when we see it just because most other people don't recognize it, but who are we doing a favor for in that event? Certainly not oppressed peoples all over the world who we are supposed to be championing the interests of.

You can choose to recognize bigoted and chauvinist attitudes, or you can choose not to recognize bigoted and chauvinistic attitudes, but at the end of the day that has no bearing on whether or not these attitudes are actually expressed in reality.

Just because you make the personal decision not to acknowledge these things, though, doesn't give you the right to tell the rest of us that we cannot choose to acknowledge them in kind.

In any event you don't have to go this far out of your way to apologize for liberals who say insensitive things.

[Fourth Internationalist]

Racist "jokes" are still racist so saying "that's racist" doesn't seem very stupid to me. I don't know where you're coming from with this apologism for racist jokes. Glad to hear you like Stormfront's views?

Okay, when my black friend teases be about being a goody white kid, I should shun her and call her a bigot. And when I call her an orea for being biracial (she called herself an orea fIrst, actually)? Should I be called a racist and a bigot? Yes they are right when they say some people think everything is racist. I never thought It was true until now.

[Fourth Internationalist]

We could carry on and refuse to recognize racism when we see it just because most other people don't recognize it, but who are we doing a favor for in that event? Certainly not oppressed peoples all over the world who we are supposed to be championing the interests of.

You can choose to recognize bigoted and chauvinist attitudes, or you can choose not to recognize bigoted and chauvinistic attitudes, but at the end of the day that has no bearing on whether or not these attitudes are actually expressed in reality.

Just because you make the personal decision not to acknowledge these things, though, doesn't give you the right to tell the rest of us that we cannot choose to acknowledge them in kind.

In any event you don't have to go this far out of your way to apologize for liberals who say insensitive things.

If two people who are friends and are teasing each other and both of them both tease each other with stereotypes about race, that does no harm.

[High School Marxist]

The 'radical' left really does seem like a bunch of ultra-sensitive douchebags right about now. Who gives a fuck what Cenk's views on the Armenian genocide USED to be?

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

The 'radical' left really does seem like a bunch of ultra-sensitive douchebags right about now. Who gives a fuck what Cenk's views on the Armenian genocide USED to be?

Erm, there's no evidence that proves that he's changed his opinions.

[Fourth Internationalist]

Erm, there's no evidence that proves that he's changed his opinions.

Yes there is.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

Yes there is.

Provide it and I will engage in self criticism.

[Fourth Internationalist]

Provide it and I will engage in self criticism.

Ana Kasparian, his co-host, wrote on Twitter in 2010 that his views on it changed.

[Art Vandelay]

If I'm going to get my news from some slanted perspective, I prefer Glen Beck.

[NGNM85]

CYT is alright. However; as far as Current TV's lineup is concerned; I substantially prefer Governor Spitzer's Viewpoint.

[X5N]

Have Germans suffered a significant history of oppression anywhere? Because otherwise I think it's really bizarre to get worked up about this.

I think the forced relocation of Germans from modern-day Poland, the Czech Republic, and elsewhere might count.

And weren't there cases of German-Americans being lynched during World War I?

[Crux]

Some people here are over sensitive when people make jokes and tease each other about race, weight, or any stereotype that may apply to the two involved.
And I think his inevitable comments as soon as anything "sexy" is brought up are predictable and boring. Actually that's one of the things I like least about the show.

But I'm still a frequent watcher, and yeah who would've thought an american liberal program would hold american liberal views? Shocking. I think Ana Kasparian is somewhat better than Cenk though, although sometimes I must admit Cenk is very good. The reports on the attacks on the Mavi Mara flotilla were exceptionally good for american source, for example.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Some of their stuff is good, they report on a lot of stuff that don't get touched upon very often or very well on. And he's a liberal that somewhat understands how politics work in the country against the working class and understands that Obama/Democrats are sell outs that won't get shit done like people expect them to. But at the end of the day he's a liberal which comes with some obvious baggage and I do find him to be pretty chauvinistic.

I subscribe to them and watch some of their videos if it's on banks, corruption, something foreign policy related, stuff like that. I can't stand watching their stuff if it has something to do with sex.

[Lynx]

I prefer documentaries to 'news entertainment'.

[B5C]

I find the Young Turks a very interesting show. Cenk is one I can say not one of the stanch Obama loyalists you see on MSNBC, but he doesn't mind exploitation of the working class if it supports his left wing show.

I prefer listing too Mike Malloy than Cenk.

[RadioRaheem84]

I used to watch TYT routinely every morning before work. Loved their stuff but Cenk is extremely douchey. My gosh what a typical insufferable liberal yuppie type. I think this is why liberals do not make real headway with the public. The majority of them just seem so damn insufferable.
Sure people vote for progressive things but I highly doubt they care for people like Cenk. If anything they care more about populist liberal types.

Last video I saw Cenk and Co. were discussing the right wing nut job who claimed he was going to spark the Second Civil War if they came for his guns. Yet, I don't know what was worse; the loony proto-fascist Freikorp wannabe or the insufferable liberal attitude of the TYT mocking the former and praising the militarty's pristine army that could take him out in a matter of seconds. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt that they were just explaining how stupid him and his buddies would be taking on a massive military machine but I took as though they were being pro-military and wouldn't mind the government taking him out.

Judging from the comments their behavior turned a lot of people off too. I mean it was more make fun of the redneck humor, you cannot win against the system, you can only participate within it's designated parameters if you don't like the corruption, etc. I don't know why this ticked me off but it just seemed like to me that they just completely resembled the "left wing" version of the "right wing" version of the establishment that stonewalls any dissent or rightly analyzes dissent. People are angry, and a lot of going rightward, so why get all gung ho pro government and pro-military when you;re show was largely based on being a no holds bar left wing wing show?

[l'Enfermé]

The phrase "young turks" was probably ruined for everyone when the actual Young Turks killed a million and a half Armenian civilians in 1915, no?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Another liberal show with insufferable views on the world. I do not watch them and do not plan to watch them regularly. One or two episodes was enough.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Never watched TYT, really, never heard Cenk say anything dodgy and actually find FOX News more amusing than most of the 'Current TV'/MSNBC shows.

[Fourth Internationalist]

Never watched TYT, really, never heard Cenk say anything dodgy and actually find FOX News more amusing than most of the 'Current TV'/MSNBC shows.

The main Young Turks show is online, they had another one for Current Tv which will be ending soon, and Cenk left MSNBC a long time ago.

[RadioRaheem84]

A bit off topic, but the thing I hate about these liberal shows is just how much disdain they have for average people or I should say for anything they deem populist. It's a tenet I see a lot in American liberalism. They hate it on the left and on the right, and deem it to be vulgar. It's vulgar when you go up against the so called establishment. It's vulgar when you question any liberal academics that do side with the ruling class. It's vulgar to espouse Marxism or anything aligned with leftist theory. If the argument isn't told through some technocratic liberal rhetoric than it's thrown into the heap of this left/right extremism that goes "full circle".

Do they not get that people are extremely skeptical of the government and even corporations in general? Do they not get that people sense something inherently wrong with the system and the establishment that constantly promotes the status quo or at best some mild reform. People have no major outlet to express these views or anger so they join these extreme right wing factions that explain all the problems through right wing rhetoric.

Some how these young turks can see that when the US engages in Afghanistan or Iraq or discussions of the middle east, but when it comes to the US and their own citizens it turns into a "you might be a redneck" sling fest.

[Fourth Internationalist]

The phrase "young turks" was probably ruined for everyone when the actual Young Turks killed a million and a half Armenian civilians in 1915, no?

You could kinda say the same thing about the name "communists."

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

The main Young Turks show is online, they had another one for Current Tv which will be ending soon, and Cenk left MSNBC a long time ago.

Indeed, I knew all of that I just mainly popped on the show when it would come on Current, I was generalizing about more than one show other than TYT.

I was wondering if TYT was going to end after Al Jazeera took over Current.

[Fourth Internationalist]

A bit off topic, but the thing I hate about these liberal shows is just how much disdain they have for average people or I should say for anything they deem populist. It's a tenet I see a lot in American liberalism. They hate it on the left and on the right, and deem it to be vulgar. It's vulgar when you go up against the so called establishment. It's vulgar when you question any liberal academics that do side with the ruling class. It's vulgar to espouse Marxism or anything aligned with leftist theory. If the argument isn't told through some technocratic liberal rhetoric than it's thrown into the heap of this left/right extremism that goes "full circle".

Do they not get that people are extremely skeptical of the government and even corporations in general? Do they not get that people sense something inherently wrong with the system and the establishment that constantly promotes the status quo or at best some mild reform. People have no major outlet to express these views or anger so they join these extreme right wing factions that explain all the problems through right wing rhetoric.

Some how these young turks can see that when the US engages in Afghanistan or Iraq or discussions of the middle east, but when it comes to the US and their own citizens it turns into a "you might be a redneck" sling fest.


While they certainly don't advocate revolution, they certainly aren't for the exact system we have now (still capitalist but more to the left). I think they are generally questioning towards our government and the large corporations.

[RadioRaheem84]

While they certainly don't advocate revolution, they certainly aren't for the exact system we have now (still capitalist but more to the left). I think they are generally questioning towards our government and the large corporations.

Even progressives on other shows advocate for a peaceful complete overhaul of neo-liberal capitalism and do way more than just agitate on TV. Amy Goodman's been arrested how many times now? Chris Hedges complains about being stopped at the airport every time and has checked if his phone has been tapped (and it has).
Cenk and Co. are borderline establishment liberal types that are about as left wing as any other "left winger" on MSNBC. Maybe a little more progressive but nothing to praise.

They have some good stuff but there is always a sense of that "thus far and no further" vibe chomsky talks about with the mainstream media.

[Crux]

I used to watch TYT routinely every morning before work. Loved their stuff but Cenk is extremely douchey. My gosh what a typical insufferable liberal yuppie type. I think this is why liberals do not make real headway with the public. The majority of them just seem so damn insufferable.
Sure people vote for progressive things but I highly doubt they care for people like Cenk. If anything they care more about populist liberal types.

Last video I saw Cenk and Co. were discussing the right wing nut job who claimed he was going to spark the Second Civil War if they came for his guns. Yet, I don't know what was worse; the loony proto-fascist Freikorp wannabe or the insufferable liberal attitude of the TYT mocking the former and praising the militarty's pristine army that could take him out in a matter of seconds. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt that they were just explaining how stupid him and his buddies would be taking on a massive military machine but I took as though they were being pro-military and wouldn't mind the government taking him out.

Judging from the comments their behavior turned a lot of people off too. I mean it was more make fun of the redneck humor, you cannot win against the system, you can only participate within it's designated parameters if you don't like the corruption, etc. I don't know why this ticked me off but it just seemed like to me that they just completely resembled the "left wing" version of the "right wing" version of the establishment that stonewalls any dissent or rightly analyzes dissent. People are angry, and a lot of going rightward, so why get all gung ho pro government and pro-military when you;re show was largely based on being a no holds bar left wing wing show?
Well in Cenk's defense, he seems pretty aware of where he stands on the political spectrum (that is center-left liberal). I don't think they're pretending to be anything other than what they are. So, eh, take for what it is really. But I certainly agree about the elitism, but as you say that's a recurring theme in american liberalism at large.

[RadioRaheem84]

American liberal seen to understand the trappings of poverty and religious fanaticism when it comes to the Middle East but when it comes to poor and working class or even middle class Americans then that same analysis they made before goes out the window. It's as though they believe you have no excuse to be duped by right wing rhetoric in the land of the free. So they become free game for mockery. People see their blatant elitism and tend to believe their newly found right wing beliefs are right because liberals beging to look more like an establishment that laughs at them.