Hello, A new Socialist to add to the fray

[Alfonso Capriles]

Hello,

Thank you for having me on the board. I have been reading many of the threads for a while and the level of debate in many of the sub forums has really impressed me (with exceptions)

Some of them are bad awful, tho. Haha.

My politics is AWL and SPGB influenced. I'm from the south pacific.

My next political move is to briefly join the NZ Labour Party. Not to forge a career in political quackery but to make an experimental and probably futile gesture at moving the party left enough.

Comradely greetings

[GiantMonkeyMan]

Welcome, new comrade. Indeed some of the discussion can be good, some absolutely shit and some, impressively, both simultaneously. :lol:

I would suggest against joining the labour party. Such parties long ago abandoned all socialist principles and are firmly in the camp of capital. You'd either burn yourself out in the attempt or be quietly shunted out of the party as they have done in the past with other committed socialists. Reformism isn't the realisation of socialism but the reform of capitalism.

[LeonJWilliams]

Welcome, have fun and debate well.

[The Cheshire Cat]

Welcome!

[l'Enfermé]

Welcome to RevLeft! "Political quackery", heh. :laugh:

[Alfonso Capriles]

Thank you for the welcome, comrades.

As for joining the LP, we are comming to the point where a anti-neoliberal leader could win the next leadership election.

This could possibly revive organised labour so presenting many opurtunities for the marxist left.

[Thirsty Crow]

Hi, and welcome to the forum.

I'd say that you're assessment of debate here is pretty accurate, though maybe a bit too optimistic :lol:

Oh and this:


Hello,
My next political move is to briefly join the NZ Labour Party. Not to forge a career in political quackery but to make an experimental and probably futile gesture at moving the party left enough.


Do you really think that one man entryism is viable as in effects and results?

[Manic Impressive]

Welcome to Revleft!

I'm a member of the SPGB and the World Socialist Movement have you tried to contact our companion party in New Zealand?

http://www.worldsocialism.org/nz/

[The Idler]

Welcome! Come join the groups World Socialist Movement (http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=1031) and Impossibilists (http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=1032).

[Yazman]

Welcome to Revleft! Please send me a private message if you have any issues, problems or concerns.

Also, feel free to ask questions in this thread.

[Alfonso Capriles]

Thank you for your warm welcomes, comrades. It should be fun. Personally after over 15 years of far-leftist identification (and much of that activism) I'm still trying to make sense of it. One thing I do know, tho, is that the profit motive cannot organise society effectively and the oppressed classes are the only ones who will overturn it.

Big up all your selves.

AC

[Alfonso Capriles]

Do you really think that one man entryism is viable as in effects and results?

It's more of an experiment, we have a potential leader in NZ that is supported by the membership and much of the left (that still have any degree of narrow 'hope' in the LP). He basically wants to overturn neoliberalism. His opponent (current leader) is an extreme third way bastard with connections to British defense think tanks and a poor record working for the UN during which time he advocated the use of private millitias for peacekeeping.

Personally I think the next Labour government could either be more reactionary than the current National (conservative) government or would just collapse under the weight of its own stupidity.

One of the fronts of defense of workers rights and liberty is in the New Zealand Labour Party. Personally I think it's now or never. The consequences of a defenseless labour movement is too horrible to imagine.

But as I said, it's an experiment. I hope to learn a bit. You comrades could be 100% correct for all I know.


I'm a member of the SPGB and the World Socialist Movement have you tried to contact our companion party in New Zealand?

Yes! I have, their mostly very elderly but lovely people. My friend used to do their radio show. I heard the leader speak about 10 years ago, can't remember his name.

[TalalNayer]

Welcome! :)