world war 3

[mankymole]

It will come some day - hopefully not in our life time, but first it was almost america&co VS russia during the cold war.

Next possibilty is China, they have a big army/air force, communist and their economy is growing very fast, in 10 years they will over take japan and only be second to america - in economic terms . Oh - also they have entered the space race.

Chinas difference in views to that of the west, size and growing status in the world will only make america and its allies view them as a threat, also the fact that american business could well begin to suffer as a result.

what do u lot think? :(

[James]

One would suppose that the middle east, would most likely, act as a tinderbox for any future war.

[Fidelbrand]

Welcome to che-lives, manky~ :)

first , u have to read extensively. China is getting crappily cappie. Communist Party, a name still used nowadays, is having its contents "emptied" to a great extent.

Economic threat is burning in the atmosphere, as China is growing fast.. man, but ideological threat... i guess not. China is opening up, it will be more democratic and capitalistic.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 08:55 PM
One would suppose that the middle east, would most likely, act as a tinderbox for any future war.
agree.

natural resources, radical religious fundamentalists are factors that would entice a start of a war, in any scale.

[monkeydust]

I can't really see another World war happening on the scale of the others for a very long time indeed. Simply because of the advent of nuclear, chemical and other forms of modern weaponry, in any case it wouldn't last long if it escalated out of control.

As for China, I can't see them really posing a threat for war and I don't feel they will have the inclination, most Chinese people I have met seem genuinely kind peaceful sorts, I see it as more likely for them to try and become friends, not enemies with the west, it will be in their interest.

The middle East does have potential for conflict, I feel however this century will bring about conflict of a more racial and cultural scale rather than in military terms.

[YKTMX]

India and Pakistan is the most likely point unfortunately.

[James]

hey could u help me with some civil rights revision...

What affect would you say Malcolm X had on thecivil rights movement, and black people?

Cheers
(i assume the X is MX...)

[Jesus Christ]

world war 3 will happen after Star Wars Episode 3 comes out and I will realize that there will be no more Star Wars, so I will declare war on the Trekkies, and the world will be blanketed with a huge war between the Star Wars geeks and the Trekkies, and we will kick the Trekkies asses

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Originally posted by Jesus [email protected] 30 2003, 11:34 PM
world war 3 will happen after Star Wars Episode 3 comes out and I will realize that there will be no more Star Wars, so I will declare war on the Trekkies, and the world will be blanketed with a huge war between the Star Wars geeks and the Trekkies, and we will kick the Trekkies asses
I wouldnt know what side to take

[Hawker]

I don't think that any major power now will start WWIII,but I think it will start with a minor power,like Romania,Ukraine,Thailand,etc. It will probably come with the rise of a new powerful and ambitious leader.

[James]

Wales... bastards

[Hate Is Art]

i can see a freedom loving peoples of U&#036;A bringing liberty on a grand holy scale to the heathens of the middle east <_<

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by Jesus [email protected] 30 2003, 09:34 PM
world war 3 will happen after Star Wars Episode 3 comes out and I will realize that there will be no more Star Wars, so I will declare war on the Trekkies, and the world will be blanketed with a huge war between the Star Wars geeks and the Trekkies, and we will kick the Trekkies asses
You should happy that this is the last one. The last FOUR Star Wars have been a slow painful death. After he read the script for Jedi, Lucas should have realized his time was up.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by YouKnowTheyMurderedX+Dec 30 2003, 08:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (YouKnowTheyMurderedX @ Dec 30 2003, 08:18 PM)
Jesus [email protected] 30 2003, 09:34 PM
world war 3 will happen after Star Wars Episode 3 comes out and I will realize that there will be no more Star Wars, so I will declare war on the Trekkies, and the world will be blanketed with a huge war between the Star Wars geeks and the Trekkies, and we will kick the Trekkies asses
You should happy that this is the last one. The last FOUR Star Wars have been a slow painful death. After he read the script for Jedi, Lucas should have realized his time was up. [/b]
i enjoyed Return of the Jedi, I mean cmon, it was the birth of the New Republic

[Rob]

Originally posted by Jesus [email protected] 31 2003, 12:58 AM
i enjoyed Return of the Jedi, I mean cmon, it was the birth of the New Republic
And cmon, what about the ewoks? Can&#39;t we all agree that those armed teddy bears were adorable? Oh, and I&#39;d fight against the trekkies for the glory of the trilogy (not hexilogy).

[Jesus Christ]

youd fight for all star wars, movies or not
the trekkies must die

[revolutionindia]

Someone once said
"I dont know what weapons will be used in world war 3 but world war 4 will be fought with bricks and sticks." :)
I think we will witness a world war within the next 10 years
So be prepared and make sure u are on the right side

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

That was Einstien.

[Yevgraf]

If there is a world war 3 it will be between America and a future European Imperialist Superstate.

The monopoly capitalists of Europe are pushing forward for a united Europe. The Economic base of a European Superstate has already, for all intents and purposes, been cut out. Firstly by creating a single market, secondly by introducing a single currency(i.e. the Euro) and European Central bank. The overall intention of all this is to bring about the conditions whereby monopoly capital, partcularly banking institutions and manufacturing, has fused together to form a European financial oligarchy.

What&#39;s starting to happen now is that superstructure(political, legal, military and other institutions) is starting to be built up to correspond to the aforementioned economic base. This can be seen with the transfer of sovereignty from individual E.U. states to the E.U. as a whole. Also - and most significantly of all - is the recent creation of a European &#39;Rapid Reaction Force&#39;, i.e. the nascent form of a single European military&#33;

The reason for the creation of a European Imperialist Superstate is, of course, to strengthen the hand of Europe&#39;s monopoly capitalists on a global scale, whereby it can challenge the present imperialist superpower, the Americans, for spheres of influence to export capital. Continued collision between the interests of American and European imperialists in years to come can only lead to war - the ultimate determiner for the re-division of the world&#33;

Only one thing can save us from global annihilation - Socialist Revolution&#33;

Workers of the World, UNITE&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;


http://www.marx2mao.org/Lenin/USE15.html

[martingale]

There is tension in America&#39;s ruling class on the question of how to deal with a rising China. One approach is to integrate and subordinate China into an international economic system dominated by the U.S. The first Bush and Clinton Administrations primarily pursued this first approach in the 1990&#39;s. The second approach is to weaken China through military confrontation, goading China into an arms race with the U.S., pressuring China on Taiwan and Tibet, etc. This approach was pursued by the second Bush administration and was well on its way when 9/11 happened and the Bush neocons had to put it on hold. The neocons nevertheless seized on the historic opportunity presented by 9/11 and began their drive for complete control of the Middle East and it&#39;s vast oil resources. With Middle East oil under it&#39;s control, the U.S. can then intimidate and blackmail all of its current and potential economic rivals that depend on that oil, including especially China.

Of course, the U.S. did not plan on the fierce Iraqi resistance, and the global condemnation of the U.S. as a rogue and terroristic superpower. And China is increasingly building up alliances, economic and otherwise, with its neighbors, so that the U.S. will find it more and more difficult in the future to militarily confront China. It is ironic that the hawks in the Bush administration, who wanted to isolate, contain and weaken China, are instead, because of their own policies, increasingly finding the U.S. to be isolated in the world.

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by Jesus [email protected] 30 2003, 04:34 PM
world war 3 will happen after Star Wars Episode 3 comes out and I will realize that there will be no more Star Wars, so I will declare war on the Trekkies, and the world will be blanketed with a huge war between the Star Wars geeks and the Trekkies, and we will kick the Trekkies asses
no way dude, we trekkies will never lose to the likes of you. maybe if you could get the Babylon 5 and Battlestar Gallactica people to join your side by otherwise you&#39;re toast&#33; :D

[Looter]

World War 3 started with the fall of the Berlin Wall, since that the Imperialists have been continually at war throughout the entire world. Now war is seen as the norm and people cant even imagine Peace.

[Rastaman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 08:55 PM
One would suppose that the middle east, would most likely, act as a tinderbox for any future war.
not tinderbox but excuse...

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by SonofRage+Dec 31 2003, 06:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SonofRage @ Dec 31 2003, 06:12 AM)
Jesus [email protected] 30 2003, 04:34 PM
world war 3 will happen after Star Wars Episode 3 comes out and I will realize that there will be no more Star Wars, so I will declare war on the Trekkies, and the world will be blanketed with a huge war between the Star Wars geeks and the Trekkies, and we will kick the Trekkies asses
no way dude, we trekkies will never lose to the likes of you. maybe if you could get the Babylon 5 and Battlestar Gallactica people to join your side by otherwise you&#39;re toast&#33; :D [/b]
oh please
The Republic could whoop the Federations ass anyday
and Phasers dont stand a chance

[timbaly]

I don&#39;t see a world war starting up anytime soon. Europe and Chinas military might is not even close to that of the United States. The US will not let any country surpass it in military strength, they&#39;ll find some excuse to hinder that nations military growth. I believe Bush said he would not allow any country to surpass the US in military strength during a speech in Australia or New Zealand. i doubt a world war will start in the middle east either, the United states will knock off the "rouge states" one by one. The nations of the region won&#39;t unite to fight the US. Their gov&#39;t will never stick their necks out for another, plus their military strength is very weak. If anything there is a chance of a mid-eastern civil war, but nothing global. The war would probaly be a guerilla war and not be as destructive as WWII. It would probaly be more similar to Vietnam War or the Soviet war in Afghanistan.

[Rastaman]

timbaly.. you know what the irak war was for? just a hunch, but i think they were trying to secure all the oil for themselves... gas and oil have become a lot more expensive... IN CHINA.. my dad told me. he goes there a lot to meet with friends...

[mankymole]

ok maybe china arent a threat as of yet. - ur probs all right, middle east as they control the oil. - but their power is failing a bit as more oil is now being found in africa :) and not only are they happy 2 trade with us but poor people in africa need the money more so its a win win situation.

god the middle east is so dumb they hate us so much but their 2 thick 2 rally 2gether and just stave the west of its oil needs.

- well that i suppose WOULD start ww3 :angry:

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by Jesus [email protected] 30 2003, 05:34 PM
world war 3 will happen after Star Wars Episode 3 comes out and I will realize that there will be no more Star Wars, so I will declare war on the Trekkies, and the world will be blanketed with a huge war between the Star Wars geeks and the Trekkies, and we will kick the Trekkies asses
Not on your best day.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[canikickit]

I believe that Pakistand and India will become involved in a nuclear war and blow the hell out of each. Just make sure you&#39;re sitting comfortably with CNN in front of you when it happens.

Another possibility is the destruction of shite Sci-Fi entertainment by intelligent comedy.

[MRHOTDOGLA]

"China is opening up, it will be more democratic and capitalistic"

THAT IS BECAUSE IT WORKS EVERY TIME ITS TRIED.

ALL MEN ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL, AND IM GONNA MAKE SOME MONEY BECAUSE OF IT

DONT FORGET 2ND PLACE IS THE FIRST TO LOSE. AND THE U.S. IS #1

[monkeydust]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 01:51 AM
"China is opening up, it will be more democratic and capitalistic"

THAT IS BECAUSE IT WORKS EVERY TIME ITS TRIED.

ALL MEN ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL, AND IM GONNA MAKE SOME MONEY BECAUSE OF IT

DONT FORGET 2ND PLACE IS THE FIRST TO LOSE. AND THE U.S. IS #1
Nah US is surely #2, Britain could av it in a war anyday.........even though our entire army is smaller than the Chinese 51st division alone.........

[LSD]

There can never be a world war III.

Another long, protracted war is pretty much impossible with modern technology. What we see instead is the rise of real superpowers (US) that instead of invading countries, just go around raping them. If the only criteria for a world war is that it involve a lot of countries around the world being hurt, I would argue that American corporations have been fighting world war three wor the last 50 years, but no one&#39;s noticed because they&#39;ve been bennefiting from it.

[timbaly]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2003, 01:56 PM
timbaly.. you know what the irak war was for? just a hunch, but i think they were trying to secure all the oil for themselves... gas and oil have become a lot more expensive... IN CHINA.. my dad told me. he goes there a lot to meet with friends...
Why did you direct that question towards me?

[timbaly]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2003, 05:12 AM
world war 3 will happen after Star Wars Episode 3 comes out and I will realize that there will be no more Star Wars, so I will declare war on the Trekkies, and the world will be blanketed with a huge war between the Star Wars geeks and the Trekkies, and we will kick the Trekkies asses
I heard George Lucas say that if he were able to, he would create star wars episodes seven through nine in his eighties and nineties. So all hope is not lost as of yet.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by timbaly+Jan 3 2004, 11:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (timbaly @ Jan 3 2004, 11:53 PM)
[email protected] 31 2003, 05:12 AM
world war 3 will happen after Star Wars Episode 3 comes out and I will realize that there will be no more Star Wars, so I will declare war on the Trekkies, and the world will be blanketed with a huge war between the Star Wars geeks and the Trekkies, and we will kick the Trekkies asses
I heard George Lucas say that if he were able to, he would create star wars episodes seven through nine in his eighties and nineties. So all hope is not lost as of yet. [/b]
I guarantee you that he did NOT say that
He has no intentions of any further Star Wars after that
because there would have to be a whole new story line
the New Republic had been formed, the deed was done

[timbaly]

Originally posted by Jesus [email protected] 3 2004, 10:59 PM
I guarantee you that he did NOT say that
He has no intentions of any further Star Wars after that
because there would have to be a whole new story line
the New Republic had been formed, the deed was done
I&#39;m 100% sure that I heard him say that on one of those entertainment shows. It was Entertainment Tonight or Acess Hollywood that had this interview. I guarantee you that he said it, whther or not it was meant to be a joke, I no longer remember.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by timbaly+Jan 4 2004, 07:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (timbaly @ Jan 4 2004, 07:05 PM)
Jesus [email protected] 3 2004, 10:59 PM
I guarantee you that he did NOT say that
He has no intentions of any further Star Wars after that
because there would have to be a whole new story line
the New Republic had been formed, the deed was done
I&#39;m 100% sure that I heard him say that on one of those entertainment shows. It was Entertainment Tonight or Acess Hollywood that had this interview. I guarantee you that he said it, whther or not it was meant to be a joke, I no longer remember. [/b]
it was a joke if he said it himself
he has made it more than clear time and time again that he will NOT be making more Star Wars after 3

[Regicidal Insomniac]

The posibility of India and Pakistan waging war is very realistic, but I think it could definately lead to a much greater war...

India is a strong partner with Turkey and Israel, and it&#39;s probable that one or the other would enter any conflict as well. If that was to happen (especially is Israel was to inolve itself) I can definately see the entire region jumping in. And of course if Israel joined India the US would have to rally behind them, and if a conflict was to escalate to that level the US staregic bases (Iraq, Afghanistan) would also join the alliance and thus other strong US allies in the region (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait) against the remaining Arab states... And of course the other capable world powers would have to rally behind one side as well.. I don&#39;t know, maybe a India-Pakistan war coudl become a World War. :unsure:

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 02:44 PM
god the middle east is so dumb they hate us so much but their 2 thick 2 rally 2gether and just stave the west of its oil needs.

- well that i suppose WOULD start ww3 :angry:
Honestly, I think you should be restricted, but perhaps you are just unknowledgable about the history of the Middle East. "They" did try to band together, and were predictably thwarted by American and European subversion. In fact, this was the reason why Saddam Hussein&#39;s predecessor was overthrown.


In July 1958, Gen. Abdul Karim Kassem overthrew the monarchy and established a republic. Though somewhat of a reformist, he was by no means any kind of radical. His action, however, awakened revolutionary fervor in the masses and increased the influence of the Iraqi Communist Party.

By April of the following year, CIA Director Allen Dulles, with his customary hyperbole, was telling Congress that the Iraqi Communists were close to a “complete takeover” and the situation in that country was “the most dangerous in the world today.” In actuality, Kassem aimed at being a neutralist in the Cold War and pursued rather inconsistent policies toward the Iraqi Communists, never allowing them formal representation in his cabinet, nor even full legality, though they strongly desired both. He tried to maintain power by playing the Communists off against other ideological groups.

A secret plan for a joint US-Turkish invasion of the country was drafted by the United States Joint Chiefs of Staff shortly after the 1958 coup. Reportedly, only Soviet threats to intercede on Iraq’s side forced Washington to hold back. But in 1960, the United States began to fund the Kurdish guerrillas in Iraq who were fighting for a measure of autonomy and the CIA undertook an assassination attempt against Kassem, which was unsuccessful.

The Iraqi leader made himself even more of a marked man when, in that same year, he began to help create the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), which challenged the stranglehold Western oil companies had on the marketing of Arab oil; and in 1962 he created a national oil company to exploit the nation’s oil.

In February 1963, Kassem told the French daily, Le Monde, that he had received a note from Washington — “in terms scarcely veiled, calling upon me to change my attitude, under threat of sanctions against Iraq... All our trouble with the imperialists [the US and the UK] began the day we claimed our legitimate rights to Kuwait.” (Kuwait was a key element in US and UK hegemonic designs over mid-east oil.)

A few days after Kassem’s remarks were published, he was overthrown in a coup and summarily executed; thousands of communists were killed.

The State Department soon informed the press that it was pleased that the new regime would respect international agreements and was not interested in nationalizing the giant Iraq Petroleum Co., of which the US was a major owner. The new government, at least for the time being, also cooled its claim to Kuwait.

Papers of the British cabinet of 1963, later declassified, disclose that the coup had been backed by the British and the CIA.

-From Rogue State, by William Blum

[swapna]

I think the next war might be between islam fundamentalists and US.

We know that there were two assasination attempts on Mushraff. If the next one is sucessful, the nukes will fall into the hands of religious fanatics. That is the reason why US wants mushraff to be still in power.

India and pakistan waged many wars but I dont think there will ever be a nuclear war between the two countries. There are many Hindus in pakistan and muslims in India. If it isnt a nuclear war it is unlikely that other countries will join the India-Pakistan war.

[Soviet power supreme]

I wouldn&#39;t say India vs Pakistan war by name like that.Not even if Pakistan rallies other islam countries and India rally it&#39;s own allies.I dont really believ the Kasmir regime really starts a nuclear war between these countries.

[Comrade Zeke]

whatever you peole think there is not going to be a big super war with the United States and China. In World War 3 China would be neurtral.No in the next 30 years or so........Eroupe will have United under the Eroupean Union Banner and there going to be competing with the U.S.A for control of the world. The two great powers will NOT USE NUCLEAR wheapons because they dont want to destroy each other. NO there will be a great Nuclear.ITs the USA vs.Eroupe the Ultimate Capitalist Clash. The world is going to remain neurtral except for when the Arab countires kick out the US troop in all their countries at that time. Of coarse its going to be a tie and the U.S.A is going to be devastated in the war. Eroupe&#39;s econmy will be so devastated that the countries will all have Communist revolutions. When the time is right. The U.S.A will colapse and the south will reform again and California will become a country. Finnaly at the end of all that Iserel willl be destroyed by the Arabs.South America will permently become Communist and ally with the New communist Eroupe and in 2045 the world will settle down and become peaceful the dominate super power on the plant being Communist countries and newly formed United,Fundmetalist of the Union of the Arabs under some Physco Propeht of Mohhmaed that is my prodiction of what will happen. :rolleyes:

PLEASE TELL ME WHAT you THINK OF MY OPPINION ON THE FORUM AND TELL ME IF IM CLOSE??? THANKS

[monkeydust]

Comrade Zeke, whilst your idea potentially could happen it is very unlikely. Your almost being optimistic in that you seem to feel that something must happen, simply because of the pattern of history in the last century.

I can&#39;t see Europe, fully uniting as soon as you expect. Europe is used to slow moderate change, the countries themselves, (Britain, France, etc.) seem to have a great deal of national pride within them, they won&#39;t simply decide to become one great state.

You&#39;re also assuming that one day Europe and America will turn round and say &#39;hey, lets have a war&#39;, remeber these powers ave been allies for a long time, they largely share and ideological and cultural consensus and it isn&#39;t really in either of their interests to war wih eachother. In any case the powers would call it off before either one is &#39;devestated&#39;.

I don&#39;t think there will be very many wars in this coming century in the manner that we have become familiar to. I think myself that this century will mark conflict on a religious and cultural scale.

If there was to be a war soon, the only realsitic conflict I could see happening is one between Arab states and the U.S.

[Comrade Zeke]

To Left

Well I could not think that Eroupe would unite that fast but still it wouldn&#39;t exacly be a big united country its just all those countries will unite in an Alliance not a country. Also what I think is that the United Kindom will always remain allies of America and it will be the only country in Eroupe that will stay out of the Eroupean alliance. Every one in the world except for a close few of my friends and me think that World War 3 will happen because of the Arabs I daught this because the Arabs fude to much and cannot launch a major holy "Jihad" against the Americans it just impossible. I think just like in the Veitnam in which the Communists won it going to be a constent Guerilla war. This time however the Communist wont win because their not a major player in the conflict. After the whole world says "leave America&#33; Then American troops will leave Iraq after ten years of occupation. The country will be taken over by Fundmentalists from Iran most likely with such Arab countries as Syria and Jordan backing them up. So the big Arab struggle wont happend but the Americans will be there for a while. Anyway back to World War 3. Well I guess you have a point but it is still a theory that if all of Eroupe United there would be a war a big one with the United State probely started over trade. But you know Wars can start in for very odd reasons. Just look at World War 1 it was started over a shooting in Sarjevo but look what it esclated into. The World needs more Che Guerverras to help it along and if and when the Communists come back in control they should be more Democratic. :ph34r:

[monkeydust]

I see where you&#39;re coming from Zeke but I still have to disagree.

You still havn&#39;t explained why a group of European states would want to war with America. Surely they won&#39;t do so just for the sake of it?

Like you I agree that it&#39;s unlikely for a large scale conflict to erupt against America in the middle East, I only feel it is the most likely cause for a large war.

I can assure you no World War will be fought like a Guerilla war. Guerilla wars by definiton are only fought in defense of an occupying power and largely by sectional groups rather than by national armies.

Finally World war 1 wan&#39;t started simply because of an assasination of the Austrian heir in Sarejevo by a member of the black hand movement. This was only a spark to ignite a flame, the underlying causes had been building up for a long time, the tension was released in an instant with this. I think we have learnt enough from our previuous mistakes to avoid a large-scale war at least for a while.

[Comrade Zeke]

Left Posted on Jan 10 2004, 06:33 PM

Ill guess I will have to agree cause you do have a point left. But who knows someone just shoot a gun and the world will go haywire. But it could be a long Stand off between Eroupe and America cause if you look at it Eroupe is the father and America is it&#39;s retless son.It;s got to Spank its son so it will stay in line. Cause America is getting to Greedy and nations have proven they can beat American even if they have less Tecnolgy. Vietnam,Cuba and Soamlia are the only Nations I have seen that have accully took on America and won. All of them were Communist. SO it proove that just because the Evil Corrupt Soivet Union is gone it doesn&#39;t mean that America can be all high and powerful. There is still Rebels out their that can spark the 3 world war. We just have to wait painetly. But the only Communist countires we can look to now are China,Veitnam,North Korea,Laos and Cuba. Or we could be liberal in which I plan to do and go with the MORE LIBERAL SOSLIASTIC SOUNTRIES OF Sweden,Norway,Denmark,Ireland, and some others in this day of age you dont want to side with big bad China that COULD start world war 3. But I do wish Fidel Castro anthor 20 years in power.
:)

[Comrade Zeke]

So does anyone else have anymore Ideas about how world war 3 is going to start?????

[bunk]

I think WW3 has already happpened in the form of the cold war that only broke hot in a few places eg. Vietnam, Angola.........

[monkeydust]

I disagree.

I think that the col war, rather than being seperate was so closely related to WW2 that there&#39;s a strong argument for it being a continuation.

Essentially this arguement says that World War 2 only ended with the collapse of the Berlin wall.

In a few hundred years I think a lot of historians will think along these lines, I guess we&#39;ll just have to wait and see.

[revoevo]

You know if there is a WWIII involving any major superpowers, it would be the beginning of the end. The biggest wars of the next century will be cultural. If anything I see the U.S. collapsing slowly from the inside. Possiblythe major super power would become a unified Europe. Maybe tensions in Africa or Latin America will eventually rise to the extent of a smaller wars that end up involving the world via allies. I just hope no military superpower is angered too much in the next 100 years, because it would most definitely spell nuclear doom.

[monkeydust]

A while ago, Pete posted a link to an interesting article, about the problem of &#39;peak oil&#39;.

It actually gave quite a plausible explanation as to how a Third World War could happen, and not so far into the future as we&#39;d like to think.

As much as I tend to dismiss such claims, this article was very well researched and presented, and actually quite believable. Have a read: here (http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/)

[bunk]

China will be the next superpower

[shyguywannadie]

I think WW3 has already started, though this is a war like no other before it, its a peoples war, guerillas fighting in every country against their oppressors.
It is the class war.
Nations piss about with their politics which is all really some stupid game they play to keep the masses sudate.

Afghanistan continues to kill yankee troops as does Iraq.
As for the US they are alway killing (more like atempting) to kill people.

It is certain like all empires the U&#036; will fall, probably as history has shown through sheer incompetance (for example losing to cuba, vietnam, somalia and failing to kill F.Castro on so many occasions)

Certainly no-one should fear the U&#036; (unless they are trying to rescue you, then you should be shitting yourself as you will almost certainly end up dead)

[dark fairy]

well i think it is possible, but the thing is that these people might just have a brain and realize that we don&#39;t need wars. The world is falling apart already&#33;

[Fidel Castro]

Hmmm,

I agree that the mid-east (including India/Pakistan) is the most likely area for another war to begin. It is highly likely that a new world war would involve nuclear technology.

[YDSofLVA]

Pakistan and India are pretty scary. But they seem to be putting aside their differences and compromising. So thats good news.
I mean.
Right next to China.
Scary scary times.

[Domino]

Pakistan and India, I agree. But it won&#39;t stop there, I doubt it would touch American soil though (as in AMERICA, not the U&#036;A), WWs never do. I don&#39;t know if that&#39;s good or unfair. :blink:

[VukBZ2005]

When i read that "Peak Oil" page, it said "that the U.S is fighting for it&#39;s survival by invading Iraq & other middle east countries" -

So it seems that Revoultions will be happening all over the
place very soon. I guess i&#39;m going to buy some Solar Panels to keep
my lights on.

I really hope that a Socialist Revolution happens soon. I would gladly fight
for Socialism as well. ;)

[MiniOswald]

I don&#39;t think that Europe can ever pull itself together, the states just sit around bickering about things, Europe no longer has any power in the U.N. cos U.S. buys off all the African states and then economically threatens European states.
The E.U. is getting messed up cos the bigger states (france, germany, U.K.) are screwing over the eastern ones e.g. Bosnia, Albania.
However if Russia could get off its arse and start putting its people to good use it could become an economic threat to U.S and it would probably side with the Chinese and the tiger economies.
This would give power to the east and tensions would begin to rise as Russia might start to impose the dozens of sanctions on Isreal that the yanks have ignored because Israel is a &#39;rightful state&#39;, by the way i&#39;m not anti-semitic im anti-zionistic. the east would back the arabs the west would back the Israelis and europe would sit down and talk through the whole thing.
The chances of it erupting are small and why would it bother me anyway cos its a long way a way and no british people are hurt (just kidding)

[Shane]

i live in the UK, ive read alot of opinions about a European &#39;&#39;Superstate&#39;&#39; well, that will happen, but the UK WONT join. The people here have a sense of national pride, many are anti Europe, and there are many posters around &#39;&#39;Keep the Pound In Britain etc&#39;&#39;. But Britain with the current goverment (been in Power since 1996 *abit long dont you think&#33;?) backs the US on ANY cause. WWIII wont be a united Europe over the US (NATO anyone&#33;?) but i see it been the in Arab World, or involving China

[hobosexual]

world war 3 is gonna be the beginning of the end. USA is gonna collapse on itself soon, China is growing way too fast and is goin for the big boom and bust. every other country is already starting to tear itself apart. USA can&#39;t play the world police for very much longer. once world war 3 starts the world is gonna go into a state of anarchy until it&#39;s dimise. or at least those are my thoughts.

it&#39;s real sad too. i mean we&#39;ve already killed our ozone, or ecosystem. so many animals are goin extinct cause of us and the ones that aren&#39;t all dead are kept in cages. are natural resources are almost gone, ppl just can&#39;t get along, idiots are taking over(BUSH). it only took us humans a extremely small percentage of time to destroy the world that had been goin on great for ?4.6? billion years.

"when everyone is goddamn dead, theres your fucking peace"

[monkeydust]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 10:15 PM
The people here have a sense of national pride, many are anti Europe, and there are many posters around &#39;&#39;Keep the Pound In Britain etc&#39;&#39;.
I get infuriated with my common British public for just this reason.

People seem to lack basic understanding about the EU, the Euro and this &#39;European superstate&#39;. I don&#39;t simply get annoyed due to &#39;British pride&#39;, what infuriates me is how wrong people&#39;s facts tend to be.

A few things that need clarifying:

-The issue of the Euro has nothing to do with British sovereignty.
-As much as we pool power into Europe, Parliament is still sovereign, whatever power it gives, it can take away.
-Greater EU participation can in fact, increase, rather than decrease Britains power, as one of its key states we hold great sway over any pooled sovereign issues.
-The Eu operates on a basis of subsidiarity, everything is not desired to be controlled from Brussels, yet issues such as pollution clearly affect international areas.
-There&#39;s no Franco-German conspiracy to take over Britian.


What&#39;s even more aggravating is a key reason why the poulace are so opposed to Europe. It stems from the owner of Sky, the Sun, The News of the World and the Telegraph.

Rupert Murdoch, has instituted great anti-Europeanism in Britian, and he&#39;s not even a British citizen.

Outrageous.

[Zombie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 04:28 PM
It will come some day - hopefully not in our life time, but first it was almost america&co VS russia during the cold war.

Next possibilty is China, they have a big army/air force, communist and their economy is growing very fast, in 10 years they will over take japan and only be second to america - in economic terms . Oh - also they have entered the space race.

Chinas difference in views to that of the west, size and growing status in the world will only make america and its allies view them as a threat, also the fact that american business could well begin to suffer as a result.

what do u lot think? :(
i&#39;m one of those who&#39;d like to think the Cold War could actually be dubbed &#39;world war III&#39;, and that the fourth chapter of this epic saga is very soon on its way...

one point i&#39;d like to stress out here, is when people like to take facts such as &#39;they have a big army&#39; &#39;the economy is growing very fast&#39; and so forth for granted...
please, whenever you wish to adress such important facts to an audience of any kind, do have the merit of pointing out where you took such information, and back it up with real numbers/stats/article clips etc etc

i know i&#39;m generalising when i say &#39;people&#39; but i&#39;ve seen this way too often in a lot of discussion topics, on and off line...

thanks ;)

[Mr_Thick]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2003, 04:19 AM
I think we will witness a world war within the next 10 years

I sure hope that is not the case, but I would not be shocked if it came sometime in the next twenty years.

[davekriss]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 17 2004, 08:25 PM
So does anyone else have anymore Ideas about how world war 3 is going to start?????
Yes. I have my two cents to contribute…

WW3 is just around the corner and it will be a conflagration of regional wars over resources.

A while back on another board some of us were rehashing some of the arguments for and against the Iraqi war that were made during the summer of 2002. I recall, back then (and now), when holding in mind various PNAC documents, the Baker Study (done by the James Baker III Institute at Rice University), Hubbert&#39;s Peak, Zbigniew Brzezinski&#39;s The Grand Chessboard, December 12, 2000, the fact that both GWB and Cheney are oilmen, speculation about 9-11 as LIHOP, the Carnahan and Wellstone plane crashes, Patriot Act I, HSA, and the surreptitiously introduced components of "Patriot Act II", the many last minute ballot "surprises" in 2002, the Afghanistan War and the Unocal pipeline, and of course the march, starting in the summer of 2002, toward war against Iraq with its Orwellian manipulation of the media -- all these things taken together led me then to hold in mind briefly the frightening prospect that what me might be witnessing now is a vicious and conscious circling of the wagons by elites in both the U.S. and U.K. to defend and preserve their rapacious way of life. The hell with everything else (which includes all of us)&#33;

Could it be that elite leadership recognize the seriousness of Hubbert&#39;s Peak and are positioning themselves now to protect their advantaged way of life? Could it be that our Middle East and Caspian Basin posture, enhanced by the Iraqi and Afghanistan Wars, are preparing the way for a future dystopia where the few continue to consume as they do today, enforced at gunpoint as necessary, while conditions rapidly deteriorate for the rest of us? And the other nations of means in the world, equally aware of these global "hard limits" -- how long will they tolerate such posturing and positioning before firing guns of their own?

The GWB administration is dominated by neo-conservatives heavily influenced by the political philosophy of Leo Strauss, who believed that elites lead out of innate superiority over the led, and that it is proper and right to lie to the masses in order to keep the latter aligned with the wishes of elites. LIHOP, dissembling over WMD -- these are all consistent with Straussian political philosophy.

If we are indeed witnessing a "circling of the wagons", and projection of Strassian power is really underway, we can all kiss "democracy" and "liberty" goodbye and prepare ourselves for the growing arrival of 1984, complete with choco rations and unending war with Eastasia. The unending war -- World War III -- will in fact be resource wars, as desperate people the world over fight for land in hospitable climates, for fresh water, food, and oil.

Note this chilling report prepared by the Pentagon that recently popped up in the media...

Now the Pentagon Tells Bush: Climate Change Will Destroy Us
Secret Report Warns of Rioting and Nuclear War; Threat to the World is Greater than Terrorism
by Mark Townsend and Paul Harris in New York, available here (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0222-01.htm).


Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters.

A secret report, suppressed by US defense chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a &#39;Siberian&#39; climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.

The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.

&#39;Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,&#39; concludes the Pentagon analysis. &#39;Once again, warfare would define human life.&#39;

<snip>

There is some urgency behind the report (indicated in the article), as effects are expected beginning next year. The picture painted, of chaos and war, are due to desperate acts by desperate people in face of dwindling food, water, and energy supplies. Not a pretty picture (see the table of "key findings" on the right of the linked page).

The report was commissioned by Andrew Marshall, who heads up the Office of Net Assessment, a security apparatus that sits atop the CIA and the Pentagon&#39;s DIA -- and is implicated (along with the OSP) in the Iraq WMD scandal. If the Net Assessment is reporting such dire and near-term consequences, it is either because (1) the science is solid or (2) there is disinformation value (seeding fear) that furthers the neo-con agenda -- or both. I think there’s reason to believe it’s “both”.

I think the USG must be looking ahead to the grim picture before us. Thus, in the NSS*, the USG declares that it will not tolerate attempts by any nation to build security forces that can threaten their world dominance. Deviate either from neo-liberal gospel or military inconsequentiality (both essential to maintain American elite lifestyles), and the USG claims the right to pre-emptive action. Witness Iraq; witness Venezuela; witness Haiti – and note the posturing against Iran, Syria, Libya, Cuba, and North Korea (note, when Bush steals the election in 2004, much more fun is to come).

But getting back to the point of this post, will there be a World War 3… Yes, certainly. Without revolutionary change (in consciousness as well as polity), nation will be pitted against nation fighting over the last drop of oil, the last drop of fresh water, and the last square foot of arable land.

(*"NSS" = the National Security Strategy of the United States, published September 20, 2002, and available on whitehouse gov website. Now, on a brighter note... ... ...?)

[Comrade Zeke]

What about Canada and Australia...where will they side in the war????

[Hiero]

Do you reckon Isreal will wipe out Palestine in the confusion.

[Shane]

I get infuriated with my common British public for just this reason.

People seem to lack basic understanding about the EU, the Euro and this &#39;European superstate&#39;. I don&#39;t simply get annoyed due to &#39;British pride&#39;, what infuriates me is how wrong people&#39;s facts tend to be.

A few things that need clarifying:

-The issue of the Euro has nothing to do with British sovereignty.
-As much as we pool power into Europe, Parliament is still sovereign, whatever power it gives, it can take away.
-Greater EU participation can in fact, increase, rather than decrease Britains power, as one of its key states we hold great sway over any pooled sovereign issues.
-The Eu operates on a basis of subsidiarity, everything is not desired to be controlled from Brussels, yet issues such as pollution clearly affect international areas.
-There&#39;s no Franco-German conspiracy to take over Britian.


What&#39;s even more aggravating is a key reason why the poulace are so opposed to Europe. It stems from the owner of Sky, the Sun, The News of the World and the Telegraph.

Rupert Murdoch, has instituted great anti-Europeanism in Britian, and he&#39;s not even a British citizen.


good point,but what is your opinion on the whole &#39;&#39;European Superstate&#39;&#39; going to war with the US?, considering NATO is made up by many European powerhouses, all have good US relations....this is an open and intresting debate, no one is wrong, everyone has a opinion, but if someone could explain how they came to the theory of a united europe at war with the US i would be able to understand thier view a little more,thanks

[Rasta Sapian]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 8 2004, 07:40 AM
What about Canada and Australia...where will they side in the war????
Austrailia will most likely side with England, and England will most likely side with the US, But I am sure people will still be surfing down under :)

Canada being America&#39;s friend and neibor will be put in the most difficult position because our the shared landmass, and large ethnic chinease-canadian poputaion. Canada will most likely be the largest switzerland in the world&#33;

p.s. world war 3 is bullshit anyway, China has opened its doors to the world&#33; and it is up to the rest of the world to stop by for some tea&#33; :D

peace yall

[MiniOswald]

Do you reckon Isreal will wipe out Palestine in the confusion.
Well I doubt that as they already have, Palestine no longer exists&#33;
They may attack the neighbouring arab states i.e. Jordan, lebanon. Like they have done in the past, with full U.S. backing, funding and arming of course.
And in answer to your point davekriss if all of what you say starts to take place I believe that I will just stand there and laugh at everybody before promptly dying at the hands of just about anyone. If you cant beat death you may as well stand there and embrace it.

[monkeydust]

Shane


what is your opinion on the whole &#39;&#39;European Superstate&#39;&#39; going to war with the US?

Firstly I must state that whilst I do believe a &#39;European superstate&#39; to be a historical inevitability, I do not believe that such a superpower will come into being any time soon.

The EU, orginally the "European Economic Community" was initially founded upon a basis of mutual self-interest. This is still where its roots remain. Though it must be said co-operation is growing (particularly between France and Germany), countries in the EU are still mainly in it to benefit themselves. Thus even comletely nationally interested leaders (e.g. Thatcher) have been willing to work with the EU.

Furthermore, national pride in Europe is still incredibly prevalent. Countries are still largely &#39;protective&#39; of their identity, I witness myself a great amount of &#39;British pride&#39;. Many people still aren&#39;t willing to give up their own national sovereignty.

The significance of the Euro in this matter is greatly exaggerated. Currency is not a huge focus for traditional national pride. It must be said that many Britons are &#39;proud of the pound&#39;, bear i mind though that many European powers (such as Germany) simply haven&#39;t had the same currency for such a long time.

Despie this, I do confess that a European superstate is not implausable in the fairly recent future. To answer your question, I do not think it very likely that such a state would war against the U.S. Tensions around Iraq have made it seem like Franco-German powers are opposed to the U.S. Whilst they may be in this respect they are still strong allies. It would take a lot for the two powers to war against each other.



no one is wrong, everyone has a opinion

I disagree. Some opinions may as well be &#39;wrong&#39; if one cannot argue the reason why they believe something with good evidence and logical reasoning. Some people clearly are &#39;wrong&#39;, though this isn&#39;t the point of this argument.




but if someone could explain how they came to the theory of a united europe at war with the US i would be able to understand thier view a little more,thanks

I agree. Any war between two such powers is unlikely. Moreover, everyone here claiming such a war is inevitable provides absolutely no reason as to why.

[mankymole]

Well in a sense world war 3 is being thought with terrorists - there is ALWAYS an ememy to a threat to the west. Persoally i would rather have it be a bunch of arrabs than a major oppenent with a large scale army and missiles.

If there was a global war of say the west Vs. it would be armeggeddon (i know i cant spell it)....

[yoshim]

I sure hope WW3 doesn&#39;t come any time soon however i can&#39;t be bothered thinking about it. If it&#39;s gonna happen it&#39;s gonna happen. I just wonder whose gonna start it.