greek ruling party HQ shot at

[Sasha]

Greece: Kalashnikov fire against Nea Dimokratia offices

During night in Athens. Two men on motorcycle, nobody wounded

14 January, 11:07


http://www.ansamed.info/webimages/foto_large/2013/1/14/4e52ad668b6fe05fa92308f9c485eab5.jpg Counter-terrorism squad gathered evidence outside of the New Democracy (ND) headquarters, in Athens

(ANSAmed) - ATHENS - An attack against the offices of the main ruling party in Greece, Nea Dimocratia led by Premier Antonis Samaras, took place last night in Athens.

According to press reports, two men on a motorcycle fired several Kalashnikov shots against the party's headquarters at around 3 am local time. Police found nine shell casings at the scene. Nobody was injured.

'The terrorists' objective was the premier's office where one of the nine shell casings was found', government spokesman Simos Kedikoglu told private television network Mega, speaking about the terror attack. 'This is an attempt to raise fears in Greek society. We are going through an unprecedented situation', added Kedikoglou, calling on all political forces in the country to take responsibility.(ANSAmed).




source; http://www.ansamed.info/ansamed/en/news/sections/generalnews/2013/01/14/Greece-Kalashnikov-fire-against-Nea-Dimokratia-offices_8069980.html

[ВАЛТЕР]

Any idea who was behind it? If it was a leftist group, I'm sure they would sooner go for the Golden Dawn offices rather than ND. It wouldn't surprise me if it was a fascist attack. I guess we'll just have to wait to find out the motives.

[Os Cangaceiros]

It was probably some Revolutionary Struggle wannabes or something.

[Sasha]

yeah, its very much in the style of "revolutionary struggle" or even "17 november"

[Philosophos]

Any idea who was behind it? If it was a leftist group, I'm sure they would sooner go for the Golden Dawn offices rather than ND. It wouldn't surprise me if it was a fascist attack. I guess we'll just have to wait to find out the motives.

Well anti fascism is important but it's only there because of capitalism. If you ask me I don't care if someone hits capitalists or fascists they're both ultra mega bullshit.

[Manic Impressive]

Well anti fascism is important but it's only there because of capitalism. If you ask me I don't care if someone hits capitalists or fascists they're both ultra mega bullshit.
They're both capitalists giving special treatment to the extreme right is just another form of playing lesser evilism.

[Art Vandelay]

I read that both N17 and RS are both inactive, could this be a sign they were merely laying dormant? My gut tells me that, as Dashchund said, it could potentially be a fascist attack; I would expect leftists to go after GD.

[Rusty Shackleford]

What about Conspiracy Cells of Fire or whatever?

[Sasha]

What about Conspiracy Cells of Fire or whatever?

I believe they intentionly stay away from "sophisticated" weaponry and only used improvised explosives. The attacks on the journilists that also happened this weekend is way more their style.

But to 9mm question, I think most of RS and 17n are in jail, but it could always be remnants that started a new group.
Or a false flag to presure the anarchist campaign.

[l'Enfermé]

One would expect Golden Dawn to be heavier armed, due to their police and army connections, though.

[Tim Cornelis]

I read that both N17 and RS are both inactive, could this be a sign they were merely laying dormant? My gut tells me that, as Dashchund said, it could potentially be a fascist attack; I would expect leftists to go after GD.

Why couldn't they go after both? It's absolutely possible for leftists to go after centre-rightist politicians and such.


One would expect Golden Dawn to be heavier armed, due to their police and army connections, though.

Just because you have the ability to acquire heavier arms does not mean it's wise to use it. It depends completely on what you want to achieve. This seemed a symbolic attack more than anything so heavier arms wouldn't be necessary. Additionally, use of arms acquired through the army or police could jeopardise those relations if it is revealed that the arms were indeed acquired through the army or police. So especially if your attack is symbolic you wouldn't want to risk this.

[Art Vandelay]

Why couldn't they go after both? It's absolutely possible for leftists to go after centre-rightist politicians and such.

This is absolutely true, again I was merely saying that was what my gut reaction was.


Just because you have the ability to acquire heavier arms does not mean it's wise to use it. It depends completely on what you want to achieve. This seemed a symbolic attack more than anything so heavier arms wouldn't be necessary. Additionally, use of arms acquired through the army or police could jeopardise those relations if it is revealed that the arms were indeed acquired through the army or police. So especially if your attack is symbolic you wouldn't want to risk this.

This is a good point.

[Rusty Shackleford]

If this video has any relevance to gun laws in Greece, or at least Crete, than i highly doubt it takes any special relationship to get your hands on an AK.

IIRC a Greek poster wrote about the ease of acquiring such stuff in Greece.

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[ВАЛТЕР]

With the former Yugoslavia being just North of them. I'm sure it isn't too hard to get a hold of some small arms, such as the Kalashnikov. AKs are by no means sophisticated or difficult to get a hold of here. Kosovo is full of arms just looking for a buyer. Kosovo organized crime groups have easy access to small arms, and even heavier arms.

[Art Vandelay]

With the former Yugoslavia being just North of them. I'm sure it isn't too hard to get a hold of some small arms, such as the Kalashnikov. AKs are by no means sophisticated or difficult to get a hold of here. Kosovo is full of arms just looking for a buyer. Kosovo organized crime groups have easy access to small arms, and even heavier arms.

In my opinion, with their ties to the police, GD would have no issues attempting to find arms; however it is good to know that when the time comes, the left will neither.

[Sasha]

besides, while the nazi's reguarly make some populist threatening posturing rhetoric towards the state and their representatives the leadership always make sure that when push comes to shove they fall back in their roll as the bourgeois useful idiots.
the only way this will be done by fash would be in a strategy of tension context where they would blame it on the left.
and then they often prefer to take out random civi's (as in the italy train and plaza bombings) or moderate left leaders, if ever the Syriza and the KKE would agree to form a coalition government with some other (center)-left parties it wouldnt suprise me to see some nazi perpetrated terrorism but this attack is probably done by some RS inspired/type urban guerrilla group.

the fact that the greek state managed to roll up so many leftist groups just before the olympics while they supposedly before that time they had not a single lead for decades shows there has been a "strategy of tension" campaign going on for years that if not fully controlled by the secretpolice they at least had some damn good leads into but that they chose not to pursue out of political reasons. it stands to reason that now the Olympics are gone and tension escalate this program has been restarted

[Sasha]

some more details


Two hooded men with Kalashnikovs shot at the ND offices





http://img.protothema.gr/3E9B0B1EB879465FD0819CB8048F8F95.jpg (http://img.protothema.gr/CA4D2FDEBF85C1AA45F98D044C5FE222.jpg)






Security cameras show two hooded men armed with Kalashnikovs getting off a car and after walking 50 meters, stopping and from a 70-meter distance shooting at the neon sign of the New Democracy offices.

But the moment of the shooting has not been recorded and officials cannot tell whether both perpetrators shot with Kalashnikovs or if it was only one of them. This will be revealed by the ballistic examination, the results of which are expected within the day.

Based on the images recorded by both ND offices and Traffic Police cameras, the perpetrators were in a private car, probably the burnt-outr Toyota Corolla found in Paleo Faliro, which was driven by a third person. More emphasis is placed on eyewitness testimony that speaks of a car in which the perpetrators were riding and not of a motorcycle. And they knew about the existence of many cameras so they made sure to have their features well covered.

Meanwhile, the burnt car found in Paleo Faliro is being thoroughly examined. While the inside of the vehicle is completely destroyed by the fire, police are trying to locate fingerprints or DNA from the offenders.

They are also dusting off all cases of organizations that had Kalashnikovs in their arsenal. Apart from the Revolutionary Struggle, which was dismantled, such weapons were used by the organization called “OPLA - Group Proletarian People's Self-Defense”, which attacked the police station in Agia Paraskevi in 2009, and by the Sect of Revolutionaries, who murdered journalist Sokratis Giolias. This does not mean anything as a Kalashnikov can be easily found, especially in Greece, and almost anyone can get it.

Police appeal

In an attempt to gather evidence, Greek Police made an appeal to people who might have seen or heard anything to call and provide them with their information. The Hellenic Police’s announcement states that «regarding the shooting at the headquarters of New Democracy, we kindly urge any citizen that knows or has seen anything in the area of the incident (Syggrou Avenue, Amphitheas Bridge, Doiranis etc) as well as in the wider Paleo Faliro region, such as a Toyota Corolla car of gray-anthracite color which was found burnt on Solomou 40 & Socrates, to contact these phone numbers: 170, 1014 and 1964, of the Directorate of Special Crimes of Violence (D.A.E.E.V). Anonymity and confidentiality of communication are completely ensured. Please note that the shooting incident took place at about 3 in the morning today, while the fire in the car broke out a little later, around 3.10.»


source; http://www.protothema.gr/news-in-english/article/?aid=249870

[Sasha]

quite ironic that the ruling troika party hq is located on top of an mediamarkt (a huge german electronics chain that pushes all local buisness into bankruptcy)

[Philosophos]

They're both capitalists giving special treatment to the extreme right is just another form of playing lesser evilism.

yeah you see I can't use this kind of vocabulary because my england is not very best

[piet11111]

My first instinct is to suspect the fash because any stepped up state repression will fall squarely on the left instead of the fash who might even stand to gain more influence as a counter-balance.

[Art Vandelay]

My first instinct is to suspect the fash because any stepped up state repression will fall squarely on the left instead of the fash who might even stand to gain more influence as a counter-balance.

When half of the police force support GD, I don't see them getting much state repression in all honesty.

[mxx]

'Manolis Glezos, a veteran left-winger now attached to Syriza, riposted that “para-state organisations friendly to ND” were responsible.'
Source: The Economist.

Could be possible. But I personally think an anarchist group is responsible.
I don't know what to think about these actions. I can understand the anger, because of Villa Amalias and the general situation in Greece, but is there also a positive propagandistic effect?

[Art Vandelay]

'Manolis Glezos, a veteran left-winger now attached to Syriza, riposted that “para-state organisations friendly to ND” were responsible.'
Source: The Economist.

Could be possible. But I personally think an anarchist group is responsible.
I don't know what to think about these actions. I can understand the anger, because of Villa Amalias and the general situation in Greece, but is there also a positive propagandistic effect?

Well that's an interesting development. Does he have any proof, or is this mere conjecture?

[mxx]

There is no proof. I think he just wanted to say that it's ridicolous to blame Syriza for cooperating with "terrorists" as ND politicians did, although nobody knows who actually fired at the office and Syriza already said that they don't support violence.

[Art Vandelay]

So pretty much both sides of the conflict are pointing fingers at one another; I guess that probably could have been predicted.

[piet11111]

When half of the police force support GD, I don't see them getting much state repression in all honesty.

That is why i said any stepped up state repression would fall squarely on the left.

[Art Vandelay]

That is why i said any stepped up state repression would fall squarely on the left.

Ah sorry, I misread you.