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Twilight Sparkle
13th January 2013, 12:42
As far as i'm aware the word "socialism" is a broken meaning, But I want to bring to attention a passage from Benjamin Tucker's Liberty in chapter IV titled Socialism in regards to Anarchism and how he defined the word Socialism:


Let us narrow it a little: Socialism is the belief that the next important step in progress is a change in man’s environment of an economic character that shall include the abolition of every privilege whereby the holder of wealth acquires an anti-social power to compel tribute.

I doubt not that this definition can be much improved, and suggestions looking to that end will be interesting; but it is at least an attempt to cover all the forms of protest against the existing usurious economic system. I have always considered myself a member of the great body of Socialists, and I object to being read out of it or defined out of it by General Walker, Mr. Pentecost, or anybody else, simply because I am not a follower of Karl Marx.

Take now another Twentieth Century definition,—that of Anarchism. I have not the number of the paper in which it was given, and cannot quote it exactly. But it certainly made belief in co-operation an essential of Anarchism. This is as erroneous as the definition of Socialism. Co-operation is no more an essential of Anarchism than force is of Socialism. The fact that the majority of Anarchists believe in co-operation is not what makes them Anarchists, just as the fact that the majority of Socialists believe in force is not what makes them Socialists. Socialism is neither for nor against liberty; Anarchism is for liberty, and neither for nor against anything else. Anarchy is the mother of co-operation,—yes, just as liberty is the mother of order; but, as a matter of definition, liberty is not order nor is Anarchism co-operation.

I define Anarchism as the belief in the greatest amount of liberty compatible with equality of liberty; or, in other words, as the belief in every liberty except the liberty to invade.

It will be observed that, according to the Twentieth Century definitions, Socialism excludes Anarchists, while, according to Liberty’s definitions, a Socialist may or may not be an Anarchist, and an Anarchist may or may not be a Socialist. Relaxing scientific exactness, it may be said, briefly and broadly, that Socialism is a battle with usury and that Anarchism is a battle with authority. The two armies—Socialism and Anarchism—are neither coextensive nor exclusive; but they overlap. The right wing of one is the left wing of the other. The virtue and superiority of the Anarchistic Socialist—or Socialistic Anarchist, as he may prefer to call himself—lies in the fact that he fights in the wing that is common to both. Of course there is a sense in which every Anarchist may be said to be a Socialist virtually, inasmuch as usury rests on authority, and to destroy the latter is to destroy the former. But it scarcely seems proper to give the name Socialist to one who is such unconsciously, neither desiring, intending, nor knowing it.

Then he runs through the many dictionary uses of the word "Socialism".

I wanted to ask, what is the reigning consensus as to what constitutes socialism? and what is Tucker expressed as his socialism (Although in his works I would consider him a Market-Socialist in regards to the Four monopolies). Also just individualist Anarchism in general which is usually based in Mutualism.

Jason
15th January 2013, 02:21
Anarchy cannot exist because one group will always reign supreme. Either the people, in the form of "state control", or "big business", as in the form of right wing libertarianism. Human nature is based on domination. One group will dominate, and the other will resent and oppose it. Libertarians and communists think they are supporting some type of anarchy, but are really not.

Raúl Duke
15th January 2013, 02:32
what is the reigning consensus as to what constitutes socialism?

I think the general consensus is something along the lines of working-class seizure, usually by revolution (and the general consensus in this site, since it's a revolutionary leftist site) and control of "the means of production."

Ostrinski
15th January 2013, 02:36
Anarchy cannot exist because one group will always reign supreme. Either the people, in the form of "state control", or "big business", as in the form of right wing libertarianism. Human nature is based on domination. One group will dominate, and the other will resent and oppose it. Libertarians and communists think they are supporting some type of anarchy, but are really not.What does "people" mean? People is such a vague word when used politically that it is best left to the demagogues, the opportunists, and the populists.

Take your human nature myth elsewhere, please. Pavlov laid waste to the human myth fantasy almost a century ago as did Marx a century and a half ago. You are only able to say that "human nature is based on domination" because human social relations express themselves through domination in a class society. Therefore you feel comfortable in making one elementary observation of human interaction in class society and proudly declaring "human nature!" as you triumphantly divorce class society's social fabric from the material conditions that they reflect.

Ostrinski
15th January 2013, 02:43
I wanted to ask, what is the reigning consensus as to what constitutes socialism?A mode of production wherein the means of productivity (the factories, the instruments of production, all materials other than human labor that go toward making products that humans consume and use) are owned in common. That is, instead of individual capitalists and enterprises owning them individually and utilizing them toward profit or capital accumulation, they are owned and controlled in common and utilized toward planning for human needs and wants.

An economy and society run democratically by the direct producers along the lines of voluntary association.

That is how I would define it in a nutshell. The Marxist-Leninists have a somewhat different analysis of what constitutes a socialist economy, though.

Os Cangaceiros
15th January 2013, 03:07
Benjamin Tucker had a very, very different view of what socialism is, compared to the users on this site. He was mostly a proponent of Manchesterism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_capitalism). He had a very unfortunate love of "contracts", in fact he even had informal contracts with his kids when they were growing up, lol

He and the crowd he was associated with were extremely progressive for that time period, though, economics aside: pro-land reform, pro-union, pro-gay rights, pro-free love etc

greenjuice
15th January 2013, 11:36
I don't know about consesus, I guess there are different views of socialism in different tendecies of the left, but I see socialism as a classless economy (there are no bosses) without unearned income (profits [fulfilled by there being no bosses], rent, interest, patents).

That would mean that I count as socialists the state socialists like the Ricardians, Fabians and Guild Socialists, and the stateless socialists like Proudhon, Bakunin and Kropotkin.

Ricardians (including there Mill and Owen) and Proudhonians support a market of worker co-ops; Fabians and Bakuninists are neither-free-market-nor-communism (Fabians are for organising consumer co-ops, Bakunin's envisioned municipality functions like one); and Guild Socialists are for a syndacalist and communist economy, the only difference between LibComs and them is they are not for the abolition of state.

Thirsty Crow
15th January 2013, 12:50
I wanted to ask, what is the reigning consensus as to what constitutes socialism? and what is Tucker expressed as his socialism (Although in his works I would consider him a Market-Socialist in regards to the Four monopolies). Also just individualist Anarchism in general which is usually based in Mutualism.
There are two sides to the term.

One designates the political class movement within capitalism. There are various controversies over what and who constitutes the said movement (for instance, the question of existing unions and political organizations that explicitly call for the abolition of capitalism)

The other is used to refer to a mode of production completely different from capitalism, based not on private property, capital and its accumulation, but on production for human need, which necessitates the abolition of classes, money, and the individual enterprise as a basic unit of (social) production. Again, there are problems with how to conceptualize this planned production (for instance, central planning v. some form of participatory planning as advocated by Hahnel).

Here you can see that Tucker would not be considered a socialist if both aspects are necessary. Especially with regard to:


I define Anarchism as the belief in the greatest amount of liberty compatible with equality of liberty; or, in other words, as the belief in every liberty except the liberty to invade.
Which leaves the possibility of the continuation of capitalist production (small scale ownership, it seems). He admits to this himself, albeit in a way that does not consider the root causes of this exclusion.

Jason
15th January 2013, 17:20
What does "people" mean? People is such a vague word when used politically that it is best left to the demagogues, the opportunists, and the populists.

Take your human nature myth elsewhere, please. Pavlov laid waste to the human myth fantasy almost a century ago as did Marx a century and a half ago. You are only able to say that "human nature is based on domination" because human social relations express themselves through domination in a class society. Therefore you feel comfortable in making one elementary observation of human interaction in class society and proudly declaring "human nature!" as you triumphantly divorce class society's social fabric from the material conditions that they reflect.

A lot of people wouldn't accept a new socialist society, so I don't think things could just wither away as Marx said.

Ostrinski
15th January 2013, 17:33
A lot of people wouldn't accept a new socialist society, so I don't think things could just wither away as Marx said.One needs to point out what a good thing it is then that something as momentously emancipatory as a socialist society cannot be handed down from above to a working class with no desire for it.