Che's views on Religion

[LaCris]

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Well I really would like to know Che's views on Religion and Christ.

Also as a communist, how do they view God, Religion, and Christ, etc?

Also, as being a Catholic, is it contradictory to my religion to wear one of his shirts?

Thank you

[Hate Is Art]

im pretty sure che was an aethist(sp?) and had a dislike for the Catholic Church and saw it as a means of keeping the people content with nothing and a body of oppression.

May I ask did you choose to become a Catholic or are your parents Catholic?

If you think it's contradictory to your religion then don't wear one if you think it isn't then wear one, it's up to you to decide what you wear and if it is or it isn't.

note: should this go in Ernesto "che" guevara forum?

[toastedmonkey]

He wasnt religous, from memorey i think his family were, but it certaintly wasnt forced upon their children.

Im a commie but i dont, and never have been religous, although it was "forced" on me, when i was a child by my school.

I think it depends on how "strict" your religion is, like if it tells you how to conduct your life etc. You should still have the freedom to follow which ever path you choose in life.

[Hate Is Art]

Don&#39;t most religions tell you how to live your life because God knows best <_<

sorry im a cynical bastard

[redstar2000]

Well I really would like to know Che&#39;s views on Religion and Christ.

Atheist.


Also as a communist, how do they view God, Religion, and Christ, etc?

There are no gods. Religions are reactionary. There is no "Christ" (that&#39;s a Greek word that means "anointed one").


Also, as being a Catholic, is it contradictory to my religion to wear one of his shirts?

Definitely. In fact you will burn in "Hell" if you even look at one of Che&#39;s shirts for too long.

Wearing a "Che-shirt" has been linked with smoking, drinking, fornication, use of illegal drugs, atheism and communist revolution.

You have been warned.

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A site about communist ideas

[che's long lost daughter]

I think it&#39;s better to be spiritual than to be religious

[Hate Is Art]

i think it&#39;s better to be free than religious

[Danton]

I think it&#39;s better to be in a coma than to be religious...

[Katlin Csabai]

I think it&#39;s better to be in a coma than to be religious...

Quiet honestly you sicken me, I spent 3 years of my life in a coma as a result of a severe motorcycle accident, If you are somehow suggesting that someone freely choosing to have thoughts which I myself and you yourself do not have, then I and anyone else who has been trapped in a coma freely chooses to spit upon you.

Try to think about what your comparing when you comparee anything to the feeling of being completely trapped inside you own body yet still being able to have occasional glimpses into the outside world from being stuck on a hospital bed connected to ventilators and monitors, then learn how it feels to learn who thought you&#39;d never come back and those who had faith you&#39;d come back, in a sense, who really wanted you around. Then think about loosing your job to someone "more alive" than you and being permanantly disabled as a result of secondary injuries, if you somehow think that&#39;s a walk in the park, I hope you too can learn what it feels like being trapped between living and dying and maybe you&#39;ll NEVER EVER again make such comparisons.

[che's long lost daughter]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2003, 01:43 PM
I think it&#39;s better to be in a coma than to be religious...
I think Danton did not know that someone in here has gone into a coma but it&#39;s really sickening for someone who had to see what he had written. I have never been in a coma, but I am a nursing student and I have taken cared of coma patients and I fully understand what they are going in to. Being half-dead and half-alive is not a joke. It&#39;s really hard you know, with all the machines attached to you, and everyone doing things that you yourself is capable of doing when you were "well", shitting and peeing in bed, and I think the most "horrible" thing for any coma patient is the suctioning...anyhow, I am going too far here. So, Danton, to prove that what you say is true, experience being in a coma first (which I think Caitlin would gladly help in doing...joke).

[Rastaman]

he probably didnt mean it literaly.. he was trying to make a point

but here to the defence:

if u are forced to live how the church wants u to live, but have no physical obstacles (like being in coma) and u can be free just dobn&#39;t do it thats bad.

If u cant be free because your in coma - well atleast u can&#39;t do anything about it.

[Le Libérer]

Religion is the opiate of the masses. Unless you put the needs of the people first (the State) then you will have conflict with 2 different idelogies.

But then again Castro just okay celebrating Christmas, and the Pope is coming to Cuba, so dont worry too much about it.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Dont be harsh on danton, its only a joke.

[Rastaman]

whens the pope coming to cuba debora aro?

[ComradeRobertRiley]

we should have the pope killed

[toastedmonkey]

He has already been.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

We should invade the vatican city and kill all the loony religious people

[nezvanova]

If the pope gets killed, he&#39;ll just a be a martyr...no point making him any holyer than he already is. as for Che and religion...from wha ti read, he wasn&#39;t religious, but he was patient with people who were. Like with this one guy who joined with the Cuban revolution, he was asking Che to make everyone who joins swear an oath to God, and Che just calmly explained that it wouldn&#39;t be fair to anyone who wasn&#39;t religious. I never read about his views on religion, other than that he was athiest.

[RED FIRE]

Whilst in an interveiw "che" was asked if he "belevied" in "God"...Che replied...of course not, I&#39;am an communist.

Che had an point.

[Danton]

I spent 3 years of my life in a coma as a result of a severe motorcycle accident,

I don&#39;t know you and I don&#39;t really care what happened to you...

then I and anyone else who has been trapped in a coma freely chooses to spit upon you.

Good way to end up back in a coma...

[ComradeRobertRiley]

I thought everyone knew that communists are atheists.

[RED FIRE]

Most do comrade, but not all as we have see.

[Challenge_Privilege]

Ernesto (Che) Guevara was raised as a catholic in Rosario however by the time he was around the age of 20 he was firmly aethiest, though as mentioned he was very understanding to those that were religious. In his notes in the Motorcycle Diaries he and Alberto talk of religion wiht distain and in a few passages ernesto even sort of mocks religion in his discriptions of events and places.
so to answer your question che was aethiest at best

[Soviet power supreme]

Ernesto (Che) Guevara was raised as a catholic in Rosario however by the time he was around the age of 20 he was firmly aethiest, though as mentioned he was very understanding to those that were religious.

Jon Andersson Lee wrote in his Che&#39;s biography that Ches&#39; parents were arheists and he didnt have religious childhood.

[Challenge_Privilege]

odd not what i read in numerous online bio&#39;s hmm...

[nezvanova]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 07:38 PM
odd not what i read in numerous online bio&#39;s hmm...
hmmm and what did those say? And please, don&#39;t tell me that you got all your info from IMBD.com...

[DarkKishi]

I&#39;d hate to offend any one, but I believe that &#39;Religion&#39; is just some guys view on what a book, scroll, or whatever is saying. WHo in the world has the right to say that they know exactly what was meant when those pieces of writing were writen. Who wants to follow the crowd? :unsure:



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Jezika

What ever happend to loving all mankind?

[FistFullOfSteel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 06:04 AM
I&#39;d hate to offend any one, but I believe that &#39;Religion&#39; is just some guys view on what a book, scroll, or whatever is saying. WHo in the world has the right to say that they know exactly what was meant when those pieces of writing were writen. Who wants to follow the crowd? :unsure:



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Jezika

What ever happend to loving all mankind?
agree,even if god is here,where is he?heaven?the sea?

[Elgan Wyn]

Actually Che was a religious man, whenever he could find the time for his own he would pray, every day.

[RAGING BULL]

Originally posted by Elgan [email protected] 8 2004, 12:17 PM
Actually Che was a religious man, whenever he could find the time for his own he would pray, every day.
and where did you read this?

A link would be nice.

[AmericanCommunist]

Che was an atheist but should never stop anyone from practicing there own belief. I as well believe in a higher power. I still believe in the communist way. Wear ur shirt comrade. What binds us is not our religious beliefs its our will for freedom&#33;

[AmericanCommunist]

Correction: Che was a atheist but that should never stop anyone from practicing there own belief.

[BuyOurEverything]

I, like Danton, would rather be in a coma than be religious. I&#39;d rather be temporarily unconcious than permanently deluded.

[Danton]

Cheers mate, at least you get my meaning.. I didn&#39;t wish to offend anyone..

[Indysocialist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 04:09 PM
then I and anyone else who has been trapped in a coma freely chooses to spit upon you.

Good way to end up back in a coma...
Danton- That part had me laughing for a good 5 minutes, I tip my hat to you sir.

Oh, and didn&#39;t Che have a close friend who was a priest?

[Danton]

I would have apologized if they didn&#39;t immediatley jump on me throwing insults around... Spitting is deplorable under any circumstances...

I tip my hat in kind

[capone]

:angry: I believe religion is a way to keep people conformed to one system which is the system of democracy. God is in favor of a dictatorship when god tells you to do something he doesn&#39;t ask you to vote on it you have no say so&#33;&#33;&#33; Religion is a system we need to get out of&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[capone]

Originally posted by Soviet power [email protected] 3 2004, 10:06 PM

Ernesto (Che) Guevara was raised as a catholic in Rosario however by the time he was around the age of 20 he was firmly aethiest, though as mentioned he was very understanding to those that were religious.

Jon Andersson Lee wrote in his Che&#39;s biography that Ches&#39; parents were atheists and he didnt have religious childhood.
True but how does he really know what CHE&#39;S parents were like they lied on his birth certificate thay could have done the same to help there son. make him look good. but CHE VIVE&#33;&#33;&#33;1