Tiqqun and Desertion

[The Feral Underclass]

Can a Tiqqunista explain to me the idea around desertion? Is it not just essentially a drop out theory and if not, why not? And also, why is a global revolution not viable?

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

I think it differs from a "drop-out" theory in the it is almost closer to a post-Maoist conception of building "base areas" - differentiated by the fundamental change in territorialization, etc. within the imperial metropole. Rather than fleeing to the mountains, one creates an unnavigable terrain "within" (since looking for an "outside" at this point is pretty hopeless). Desertion, in a way "dropping out" isn't usually, can be understood as sympathetic to an insurrectionary practice - or even necessitating it (capital as hydra, etc.).

Erm, given that's pretty scattered, but maybe if you refine your question from there, I can try to answer in a more detailed way?

I had a really weird long conversation about this with a Platypus Affiliated Society academic one time. He made tea.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I've not read everything tiqqun wrote but I haven't run into anything that discounts global revolution. They are very critical of vanguards and mass parties though, if that is what you're referring to. That has to do with their rejection of politics and the historical failure of those tactics, not hostility to global revolution.

[Ele'ill]

There was a video on youtube that was entirely about this but I cannot find it now.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

There was a video on youtube that was entirely about this but I cannot find it now.

Possibly Et la guerre est à peine commencée . . . (http://http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9axpz_et-la-guerre-est-a-peine-commencee_news#.UPXAj4njmVs)?

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Is it this one? http://vimeo.com/54313688 I can't play it at the moment but I think it has subtitles

[Ele'ill]

VMC, I can't see that video for some reason so it might be.

Ethics G, it wasn't that one or the 2nd part of that one.

[The Feral Underclass]

I think it differs from a "drop-out" theory in the it is almost closer to a post-Maoist conception of building "base areas" - differentiated by the fundamental change in territorialization, etc. within the imperial metropole. Rather than fleeing to the mountains, one creates an unnavigable terrain "within" (since looking for an "outside" at this point is pretty hopeless). Desertion, in a way "dropping out" isn't usually, can be understood as sympathetic to an insurrectionary practice - or even necessitating it (capital as hydra, etc.).

What is the character of these "base areas"? What is their relation to class and challenging working class exploitation?