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Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant'
9th January 2013, 11:11
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Critics of the adverts said they trivialised the crimes of communist leaders

A mobile phone operator in Poland has pulled an advertising campaign that featured images of Vladimir Lenin after it provoked a wave of anger.
The campaign featured the former Russian leader issuing the command to "Keep Talking!"
Lenin forged a system that later imposed communism in Poland and critics of the adverts said they trivialised the crimes of Soviet leaders.
The owner of the Heyah mobile operator said it did not mean to cause offence.

'Keep Talking!'

The BBC's Adam Easton, in Warsaw, says that in one television commercial ,a young couple's romantic meal is disrupted by a miniature version of an actor playing a red-flag-waving Lenin, who urges them to take advantage of the company's new offer.
Later, a cartoon image of Lenin's head shouts: "Keep Talking!"
Our correspondent says the campaign was meant to appeal to the company's youthful target audience, those too young to remember communism in Poland.
However, Lukasz Kaminski, the director of the Institute of National Remembrance, which investigates communist-era crimes, said the campaign "irresponsibly trivialised" the crimes of Soviet leaders and the fate of their victims.
He wrote in an open letter: "The social effects of this campaign could also be more dangerous because it is addressed to young people, among whom it builds positive associations with Lenin."
Polska Telefonia Cyfrowa SA, which owns Heyah, said it was withdrawing the campaign out of respect for the wishes of its customers.

(BBC News)

Over-reaction? Is this just a bourgeois reaction to the use of Lenin's image? If it's because of the former Soviet era, is that hate justified or are people who have no memory or first hand knowledge of that era just toeing the line of USSR = bad.
Actual Polish point of view would be good.

A Revolutionary Tool
9th January 2013, 18:46
Lenin shouldn't be used in capitalist advertising.

Decolonize The Left
9th January 2013, 18:48
Lenin shouldn't be used in capitalist advertising.

But... everything is fair game to capitalism. Che is marketed like no one's business (get it?) all over the world. Capitalism has no time for 'shouldn't be used' as it is seeking to capitalize on a potential market.

Mass Grave Aesthetics
9th January 2013, 18:50
They should have used Jaruzelski instead;)

A Revolutionary Tool
9th January 2013, 20:45
But... everything is fair game to capitalism. Che is marketed like no one's business (get it?) all over the world. Capitalism has no time for 'shouldn't be used' as it is seeking to capitalize on a potential market.

Yeah but I'm just saying I'm not going to be sad when capitalists don't use Lenin. I mean just look at Che, now that his image has become liberally used what he stood for, what he fought and died for, is swept aside. He's just a cool looking rebel. Jay-Z, one of the richest rappers in the country raps about being like Che, models wear his face on bikinis, etc, etc, I hope Lenin doesn't have the same fate.

Sperm-Doll Setsuna
9th January 2013, 20:46
Fuck that article is stupid. Ugh news. Who can bear to read shit like that? Pains the mind and the eyes equally. Horror unending. Polish nationalism is strong, and the tradition of reactionism for various reasons very long and rich: anti-communism at its highest, can't think of anywhere equally fervent. The reactionary history with the various nationalist and repugnant regimes in the earlier 1900's coupled with the exceptionally incompetent and comparatively materially poor Polish People's Republic era makes the bed for this, all the while the unmeployment and current situation in Poland remains quite bad... and not to forget the disgusting influence of corrupt and deranged religious groups in Poland, the Vatican's own little playground, more or less; I shed not a tear for the dead Polish politicians who perished in that aeroplane crash, good riddance to the sick lot of these dregs, too bad there weren't more of them aboard.

Trap Queen Voxxy
9th January 2013, 20:52
I thought the ad was pretty funny myself.

Comrade Samuel
9th January 2013, 21:04
He wrote in an open letter: "The social effects of this campaign could also be more dangerous because it is addressed to young people, among whom it builds positive associations with Lenin."


WHAT IF THE KIDS HAVE A POSITIVE OPINION ON LENIN?!!?

I couldn't care less if they pulled his image because it's just your regular run of the mill controversial marketing technique but at the same time this bit here made me want to punch this dumbass.

sixdollarchampagne
10th January 2013, 23:54
... Lukasz Kaminski, the director of the Institute of National Remembrance, which investigates communist-era crimes, said the campaign "irresponsibly trivialised" the crimes of Soviet leaders and the fate of their victims. He wrote in an open letter: "The social effects of this campaign could also be more dangerous because it is addressed to young people, among whom it builds positive associations with Lenin."

The independent bourgeois Polish republic, between the world wars, was nothing to write home about. In interwar Poland, there was a law making it mandatory for the name of the owner of every store to be displayed on the front of the store. That way, the Poles could conveniently know which store to boycott, during their frequent anti-semitic campaigns.

And heaven forbid that young people should have a positive attitude towards Lenin, who condemned anti-semitism!

Paul Pott
13th January 2013, 20:59
Hahaha that's priceless. How petty can you get.

Os Cangaceiros
13th January 2013, 23:45
Fuck that article is stupid. Ugh news. Who can bear to read shit like that? Pains the mind and the eyes equally. Horror unending. Polish nationalism is strong, and the tradition of reactionism for various reasons very long and rich: anti-communism at its highest, can't think of anywhere equally fervent. The reactionary history with the various nationalist and repugnant regimes in the earlier 1900's coupled with the exceptionally incompetent and comparatively materially poor Polish People's Republic era makes the bed for this, all the while the unmeployment and current situation in Poland remains quite bad... and not to forget the disgusting influence of corrupt and deranged religious groups in Poland, the Vatican's own little playground, more or less; I shed not a tear for the dead Polish politicians who perished in that aeroplane crash, good riddance to the sick lot of these dregs, too bad there weren't more of them aboard.

Poland has not been doing that bad recently, actually. A year or two back it was actually one of the stronger economies in Europe, along with it's neighbor Germany.

I think it's hilarious how capitalism will appropriate literally anything. :lol: