Germanophobia on the rise in Europe

[hetz]

It's understandable that many are angry at Angela Merkel, but outright anti-German racism is quite evidently on the rise in Europe, especially the South.
What do you think of this?

[Comrade #138672]

People shouldn't forget that the majority of the German people are workers like us.

However, we also shouldn't forget that Nazism is on the rise in Germany once again.

[hetz]

However, we shouldn't forget that Nazism is on the rise in Germany as well.
Is it?
I haven't heard of some great successes of the NPD, but Nazism is quite obviously on the rise in Greece, Hungary and some other countries.

[Decolonize The Left]

Is it?
I haven't heard of some great successes of the NPD, but Nazism is quite obviously on the rise in Greece, Hungary and some other countries.

Any time the economy of a given nation goes into turmoil there will be a rise in nationalism and racism. This is because individuals who undergo relative deprivation must find an outlet for their anger and the easiest one is 'the other,' i.e. the other people who you will blame for your current situation.

[hetz]

Any time the economy of a given nation goes into turmoil there will be a rise in nationalism and racism.Yes, that's a nice formula.
Then how come there isn't a notable rise of fascism and racism in Spain, Portugal, Ukraine, Romania, Moldova, ugh, Bosnia and Herzegovina and so on and so forth?
Pretty much the whole of Europe is in a crisis and turmoil, yet fascism is not on the rise everywhere.

[Decolonize The Left]

Yes, that's a nice formula.
Then how come there isn't a notable rise of fascism and racism in Spain, Portugal, Ukraine, Romania, Moldova, ugh, Bosnia and Herzegovina and so on and so forth?
Pretty much the whole of Europe is in a crisis and turmoil, yet fascism is not on the rise everywhere.

Not fascism formally, no. But the roots of fascism are laid during these times. Fascism, as an ideology and political program, requires the turmoil of an economy to stir the emotional tendencies of the working class. It then channels this frustration towards and outside object, usually a sub-group of the population, which it uses as a scapegoat for the economic problems which are inherent in the system. It then rides this wave of hate into power. Simple formula.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Yes, that's a nice formula.
Then how come there isn't a notable rise of fascism and racism in Spain, Portugal, Ukraine, Romania, Moldova, ugh, Bosnia and Herzegovina and so on and so forth?
Pretty much the whole of Europe is in a crisis and turmoil, yet fascism is not on the rise everywhere.

Fascism is on the rise in some of these countries, Spain and Moldova.

But I don't see a rise of fascism in Germany, Germanies economy was relatively strong I thought. I could see a rise of hatred towards Germans as Germanies government keeps putting pressure on countries like Greece to accept draconian austerity measures.

[TheRedAnarchist23]

You are right, I do hate the germans.

Everyone I know hates the germans, because of the troika, and german domination of Europe.
Fascism is not on the rise here, in fact leftist tendencies are on the rise here. If you saw the gigantic ammount of leftist grafitty all over Lisboa, and the gigantic ammount of anarchist grafitty arround some schools, you would realise fascism is not on the rise. After all, we had been living in fascism until 1974, so you are not going to see its return any time soon.

If we need a scapegoat we use the government.


It's understandable that many are angry at Angela Merkel

They burn effigies, and shout "death to merkel!".

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

You are right, I do hate the germans.
also german proletarians and communists?!


Everyone I know hates the germans, because of the troika, and german domination of Europe.
What role do you think german wage- workers and leftists play in making that stuff happen and sustain it?

Fascism is not on the rise here, in fact leftist tendencies are on the rise here. If you saw the gigantic ammount of leftist grafitty all over Lisboa, and the gigantic ammount of anarchist grafitty arround some schools, you would realise fascism is not on the rise. After all, we had been living in fascism until 1974, so you are not going to see its return any time soon.
They are not mutually exclusive in times of crisis. Fascism is the "right- wing" and upper class response to those problems you are dealing with in Portugal, Greece, Spain and Italy.





They burn effigies, and shout "death to merkel!".
And with good reason!

[TheRedAnarchist23]

also german proletarians and communists?

Only the nationalist ones.


What role do you think german wage- workers and leftists play in making that stuff happen and sustain it?

None. The other day I spoke to a german on the internet and found out that it is common knowledge in Germany that the portuguese are lazy people who fucked up their country and now refuse to pay the debt.


They are not mutually exclusive in times of crisis. Fascism is the "right- wing" and upper class response to those problems you are dealing with in Portugal, Greece, Spain and Italy.

In all demonstrations the people shout "end right-wing policy".

[l'Enfermé]

http://www.nodeju.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/protests-greece-angela-merkel.jpg

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_images/121009_merkel.jpg

I don't think there is a significant amount of Germans in Southern Europe, except for in Italy, but they're pretty much all in South Tyrol aren't they, where they make up the majority of the population, so I don't think pogroms of Germans is very likely. But any way, I haven't noticed any racism towards Germans, only anger about Germany's domination of the Eurozone. Have there been any attacks against ethnic Germans in Southern Europe recently? In Greece those that come under violence by neo-fascists are non-EU immigrants most of the time, I believe. Arabs, Turks, Blacks, and so on.

[Aurora]

I haven't seen any particular anti-german sentiment just anti-merkel anti-EU ECB IMF etc

If anything anti-national sentiment is usually directed towards the Greeks the usual nonsense about being lazy etc because economies are based on national or racial characteristics :rolleyes:

[l'Enfermé]

I haven't seen any particular anti-german sentiment just anti-merkel anti-EU ECB IMF etc

If anything anti-national sentiment is usually directed towards the Greeks the usual nonsense about being lazy etc because economies are based on national or racial characteristics :rolleyes:
The funny part about the "Those Greeks are so lazy that's why they're so poor!" crap you hear so much in Europe(the French though usually say that the Italians are lazier than the Greeks, even though an average Italian works more hours per year than an average citizen of France) is that the average Greek works about 2,000 hours a year, while a German works only 1,400.

http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=LEVEL

[Lynx]

How dare they criticize the master race. Still, resentment is not racism.

[Le Socialiste]

Nazism, or fascism in a general sense, isn't yet on the rise in Germany per se, but there has been documented cases featuring extensive ties between the BfV and far right groups - the most recent of which came to light last year. There was a public scandal surrounding the BfV's role in the formation of the National Socialist Underground (NSU), whose members are/were guilty of ten murders and two bombings between 2000-7, resulting in its president's resignation last year. This rot has extended throughout the whole of the German state and its many appendages. Hell, there was even a case in October where a couple facing threats from neo-Nazis were refused help by the police (the couple was eventually told to leave town)! Other instances have seen police tell victims of Nazi violence that they can't be protected, placing much of the blame on the shoulders of the victims themselves.

As for elsewhere, Greece and Hungary are certainly at the forefront in terms of how far the far right has been allowed to develop, while countries like Ukraine have similar - albeit comparatively minor - problems.

[Rafiq]

Firstly the concept of Germanophobia is nothing short of a laughable one. Secondly, there is a tendency of strictly anti german sentiment, but in reality this sentiment is just as much in worth as your typical religious or moralist reaction to the crises of capitalism: The failure to understand that the crises is not a result of power-hungry Germany (or bad morals, or greed), but of the capitalist social relations and systemic contradictions inherent to the capitalist mode of production. It is capital's back door, an ideological mechanism that does nothing but sustain the conditions which they are seemingly frustrated about. So there is tremendous amount of truth existent within August's post, it may not be Fascism, it may not be identical to the capitalist degeneration we saw in the 1930's, but the tendencies that were also inherent to fascism, i.e. Blaming the faults of capitalism on an "other", an object external from the roots of the crises, be it an ethnic group or "greedy" bankers, or both, exists today across Europe, perhaps more than ever.