Guerilla warfare in the u.s.

[Adamore]

i think if people started guerilla sects in the u.s. it would almost imposible
to stop them from taking over and ushering a new order. dose ne 1 else have ne input
on this subject?

[Chewillneverdie]

you would be crushed, you have any idea how strong the US spec ops are? Sides, how would it work? Your in the belly of the beast, it wont happen anytime soon

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Sure it could, just don't expect to have a permantant camp or anything. Just maybe a group of guerrillas could get together sometime, and maybe conduct drive bys, industrial sabotage, truck bombs, those sort of things. Any American resistance force would probably end up using a lot, and elaborating, on the sort of things the Mafia had. Now if a little group of rag-tag criminals could cause chaos, then why couldn't a group of dedicated fighters do the same and more? I realize that the Mafia for the most part is no more, but largely because the Mafia Dons were the deal making sort of people, who had few reservations in turning in their brothers in order to get out of jail, however, in a guerrilla unit, I would expect that no soldier would let themselves be taken alive.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

I would say that the only mildly successful guerilla warfare practiced in the United States would have to be by the Native Americans in various different instances.Saying,in these circumstances that Guerilla Warfare can be successfully carried out in the United States is as ridiculous as saying Bush is a hardcore socialist.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Also,if any violent opposition action is taken in the United States,as I have said before it should be done "Project Mayhem" style.

[SonofRage]

It would be tremendously difficult and frankly very foolish to seek out an armed revolution in the US. What is first required is a social revolution so that the people can be in position to take control of the means of production for the People.

I believe this must be done by having a revolutionary party to spread communist ideas and radicalize the population and through the formation of revolutionary Socialist Industrial Unions so that when the ruling class has to respond to the people seeking power by exposing themselves as the dictators they really are, the workers will be in a position to seize the means of production.

[Rastaman]

what do you wish to achieve?? with an armed revolution you can not hurt the real problem.. the top 10%.. sure you can blow up an oil depot or even your nearest Walmart! But whats the point? They will build another... These guys have deep pockets. You won't even dent their swiss bank accounts. And who will get hurt? The old victim: THE POOR.

[Adamore]

now is the tyme to start i suggest more people start project mayhem* style organizations. :ph34r: it will work im sure of it. what are they going to do bomb us?

[commieboy]

like Comrade Ceausescu said, you should do this like project mayhem style....what do you do before you blow up that walmart or oil depot? You blow up the Visa building, you wipe out people's bank accounts via the internet...

As for actual guerilla warfare like in the forests with a rifle, i'd say you're fucked....America does have the world's best trained military.....Havent you guys learned anything from those militia dudes that like stay in a christian seperatist church and say they're changing the US...The FBI has them in custody within a month.....Look at what they did with Saddam they found him and he wasn't even in america.....

i'd say your best chance is economical warfare, then once they dont have any money to rebuild the masses revolt.....but in a war like this we'd lose because of Mr. Blair, and the rest of NATO would interviene.

I think assinations and elimination of banks would be our first step then just play the rest by ear..

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Project mayhem style would work in the US because of the amount of people on their side, incorperating all the differant jobs they had, they could get anything done and get any materials they needed.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 09:12 PM
now is the tyme to start i suggest more people start project mayhem* style organizations. :ph34r: it will work im sure of it. what are they going to do bomb us?
Wit project meyhem there was "teams" in every state in every major city, but we could do better than that, we could have teams in every country in the world (I live in Cyprus, but im English).

We would need to start of with a big building where we could make bobs and stuff and organise from.


P.S. anyone feel free to MSN me :ph34r:

[Soviet power supreme]

As for actual guerilla warfare like in the forests with a rifle, i'd say you're fucked....America does have the world's best trained military.....Havent you guys learned anything from those militia dudes that like stay in a christian seperatist church and say they're changing the US...The FBI has them in custody within a month.....Look at what they did with Saddam they found him and he wasn't even in america.....

Thye get their asses kicked in Iraq and Dont forget the Vietnam.And dont even try brag that Saddam's capture was Us army's result.

Could you guys give me a good links about this "Project Mayhem"?

[YKTMX]

Fanciful Bollocks. You can't just export ideas created for the third world to the biggest and strongest capitalist society in the world. Pffff.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

project mayhem is from a film called fight club.

[commieboy]

Originally posted by Soviet power [email protected] 31 2003, 01:17 AM


Thye get their asses kicked in Iraq and Dont forget the Vietnam.And dont even try brag that Saddam's capture was Us army's result.

Could you guys give me a good links about this "Project Mayhem"?
dude, im all for supporting the little guy but America FUCKED UP Iraq....that shows the power of America but like you said about Vietnam, dont think for a second i forgot Vietnam...i remember a qoute from Platoon a vietnam movie, "We've been kickin' other people's asses for so long, i figure its about time we got ours" And its true, we havent exactly lost a war since Vietnam....so think...right now is a perfect time for a second Vietnam...Iraq is better off without the Bathist regime and if you disagree, i'd like to see you live there and want to speak your mind.

I do though think its horribly wrong for America to try and force our policies upon Iraq. We haven't given Iraq their country back, we've only taken it from the bad guys....

who's result was Saddam's capture? Did the canadians find him?

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Soviet power supreme,watch Fight Club,its well worth the time.Not only is it a great movie,you will learn lots about revolution through it,even though they are fascists,they know how to do a revolution.

[SonofRage]

This is sad. It was fiction. Just because something works in fantasy does not mean it would work in real life. Even if the scenario in the movie happened, there would no doubt be multiple backups for such information.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

I just think its a smart idea.

[Rastaman]

ill watch the movie.. but there is nothing we can do with aare current numbers.... and who said that with the assasination & ecenomic warfare junk? it not going to happen.. what happen if somebody would kill bush? another bush will come.. and another and another and so on..

[truthaddict11]

I agree with you SonofRage
do you actually think a plot from a fictional book has any relevance in the real world?

[Rastaman]

i havent watched the movie.. and no i don't think its possible that it'll work as will as they say.. but i do believe that the arts can ispire people to do the right thing..

[Chewillneverdie]

next thing its gonna be like" i played GTA3 and he avoided the cops LETS DO IT LIKE THAT!" lol you dont have any idea how well trained those CIA ops are do you midnight. Truck bombs will take out innocents

[FistFullOfSteel]

We have to get the people on our side

[FistFullOfSteel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 07:33 AM
next thing its gonna be like" i played GTA3 and he avoided the cops LETS DO IT LIKE THAT!" lol you dont have any idea how well trained those CIA ops are do you midnight. Truck bombs will take out innocents
And the CIA and FBI gonna infiltrate your family,where you studied when you where a child,where you live,Whats you Boy/Girl friends name,What car you have and so on,then they have you.....sending you in the electric chair.....

[FistFullOfSteel]

I read this in one of my Guerrilla books its called:Guerrilla Warfare from 1939 to the present day

it is written like this how guerrillas work

The greek Civil war

its start like this:



Guerrilla Tactics:Killing of isolated officials and threats made to prominent right-wingers citizens in small villages

Goverment Response:Gendarmerie forced to disperse its units and extend patrolling to protect villages and maintain public morale

Guerrilla T :HIT-AND-RUN ATTACKS on small patrols and frontier posts of the Gendarmerie

Goverment R:Gendarmerie forced to consolidate its forces and decrease patrolling to protect troops from isolated attacks

Guerilla T:Raids launched against small vilages left unprotected by the Gendararmie.Attacks on larger units of 30-40 men

Goverment R:Gendarmerie confined to larger towns in the affected areas.Greek national Army called in

Guerrilla T: Attacks on smal army posts and patrols with superior forces.This escalates to attacks on campany strenght posts

Goverment R:Army units concentrate and thus are only able to iniate large-scale operations against the guerrilla forces

Guerrilla T:Guerrillas create large safe areas and harass civilian population to create a refugee problem for the goverment

Goverment R:Full-scale campaigns agaisnt safe areas.World recognition that civil war is in progress


that was the Civil Greek War...I hope you get some thoughts now on revolution



Hugo

[ComradeRobertRiley]

They dont have the death penalty in the UK.


The film was very inspirational.

[Kez]

what a load of fuckin bullshit.

Guerilla warfare only works with the support of the masses, eg cuba. If you tried it without masses support eg November17 group then you would get your arse kicked, and you would be an idiot to start it anyway

If anyone starts bullshit guerilla group, the govt is gonna use it to stop legitimate groups like communist parties etc, just so you can live your petit dreams, grow up

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Kamo, go have a meeting, protest on the streets, give out your leaflets. If it makes you happy.

:::pats Kamo on the head:::

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Exactly comrade RR.Guerilla warfare gets the attention and possbily support of the masses.I would say the only problem we would have is making it clear that we are not terrorists.

[reddeadkennedy]

i think guerilla warfare will most not likely succeed in America...majority of the people are brainwashed into thinkin the goverment is always right...it'd look like a bunch of terrorists destroying stuff...and the government controled media would make it look even worse...showing pictures of like dead babies or somethin.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Comrade Ceausescu - Agreed

reddeadkennedy - It's still worth a try (Although I was talking about in the UK, the US would very much so be worth a try) with a combination of violence and killings of "selected" people and communist leaflets about the truth.

[ComradeRed]

One MUST be sure to have the support of the masses. In the U$, there is a phobia of communism. Che said so...

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 06:43 AM
One MUST be sure to have the support of the masses. In the U$, there is a phobia of communism. Che said so...
LOL the U$ fears anyone who hasnt had plactic surgery as well.

wanna boob job luv!?


also anyone with a beard and mustache!


[email protected]$A

[Ralph]

:lol:

[dannie]

we could use a socialistic rolemodel on wich we can educate u$ citizens, a country of wich they can see socialism works, and works better than the capitalistic states, that would be a start, and much easier to educate the "mass"

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Jannez - they wouldnt accept it, take cuba for example, cappies (particually the U$ cappies) refuse to accept that Cuba has anything good going for it, and when a yankee goes to cuba and then returns home and speaks good about it the US media says that its F.Castro's charm and that cuba sucks arse.

The only way into these peoples heads is via a full metal jacket

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Well I would say with Guerilla Warafe in the U.S.....Well...It would be a very,very bloddy struggle. But I can say I would not hesitate to put all these corporate criminals in a line and have them all shot. Every good communist should feel the same way. These people oppress the proletariat like none other.

[ComradeRed]

Im all for rebellion, don't get me wrong, but they spend far too much money on the military, there is too much land and not enough revolutionaries, not correct social conditions. It would fail, as much as i hate to say it, but id try starting in all 3d world countries, and have an embargo against the U$.

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 12:31 AM
you would be crushed, you have any idea how strong the US spec ops are? Sides, how would it work? Your in the belly of the beast, it wont happen anytime soon
Yeah....look at the great job they're doing with the guerillas in Iraq. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 12 2004, 07:24 AM
Well I would say with Guerilla Warafe in the U.S.....Well...It would be a very,very bloddy struggle. But I can say I would not hesitate to put all these corporate criminals in a line and have them all shot. Every good communist should feel the same way. These people oppress the proletariat like none other.
Yes I agree and I would volounteer to be the one who shoots them

[Danton]

Perhaps we could initiate a movement? etc..

[Rastaman]

well.. start one and you got yourself an ally.. RATS

[dannie]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 12 2004, 06:24 AM
Well I would say with Guerilla Warafe in the U.S.....Well...It would be a very,very bloddy struggle. But I can say I would not hesitate to put all these corporate criminals in a line and have them all shot. Every good communist should feel the same way. These people oppress the proletariat like none other.


the bullet is the only way for these pigs, but don't put a bullet in them yet, they would become martyrs of the 'free' world, the gov. would propagandate this like hell


Jannez - they wouldnt accept it, take cuba for example, cappies (particually the U$ cappies) refuse to accept that Cuba has anything good going for it, and when a yankee goes to cuba and then returns home and speaks good about it the US media says that its F.Castro's charm and that cuba sucks arse.

The only way into these peoples heads is via a full metal jacket

no a full metal jacket would just drive em away from communism ... the average joe is afraid of this kind of violence

[ComradeRobertRiley]

In this case, violence solves everything

[ComradeRed]

on contraire, perhaps a bloodless coup of the masses refusing to be exploited and functioning independantly of capitalist society would work. if we go to jail, so be it break out. like malcom x said "by any means necessary".

[FlightOfTheYuriGagarin]

The problem with guerilla warfare in the US doesn't just come from the military fighting back, but also the civillian population. There is a great amount of well armed Americans who would love the chance to defend their homes against a vague enemy (by-product of Bush's culture of fear).

[Danton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 03:26 PM
what a load of fuckin bullshit.

Guerilla warfare only works with the support of the masses, eg cuba.
In fact many historians agree that the Cuban revolution was a predominantly middle class effort, and as Che points out in Guerilla warfare - page one chapter one - the insurrection itself can cause mass revolt...

Of course the U.$ is far from ready.. Yet..

[ComradeRobertRiley]

by any means necessary means we can do it any way we choose, so....I choose armed revolution

[Danton]

It will eventually come to that, when our deepest patience and perseverence is exhausted and the only opposition left are the unreformable - we will drag them with us kicking and screaming..

[ComradeRobertRiley]

dont drag them, just shoot them.

[ComradeRed]

by any means necessary means we can do it any way we choose, so....I choose armed revolution
no, not by what we choose because what we choose may not be available. by any means NECESSARY.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

It is NECESSARY for armed revolution

[ComradeRed]

is it? is it REALLY needed? why not a peaceful revolution with trials against the oppressors at the end?

[ComradeRobertRiley]

it is impossible to get rid of capitalism without violence

[Adamore]

the corpy bastards just dont listen and the govern ment make them so we got to stand up for our selves we dont need protection from ne one we take care of our problems :ph34r:

[ComradeRed]

and what if we all said no. we stand up for our rights by organizing ourselves into self-sustaining communes, and create commune-corporate fission. if we go to jail, who would buy the corporate products? if we get killed, same as arrested. the gov't would receive blow after blow fromk a crumbling economy, it's win-win. see, no violence
:marx: :hammer: :engles: :redstar2000:

[ComradeRobertRiley]

are you gunna set up a self sustaining commune?

Good idea btw, but i think we need to look at the bigger picture here.

Which is we need differnt "cells"

some who are armed revolutionaries,
some who do the propaganda
some who set examples by running successful communes
some who concentrate on protests

there are leftists with differant ideas but really we need each other if we are to attain the greater goal of eradicating capitalism.

[ComradeRed]

eradicate capitalism first, sort things out later...

[TC]

Actually the US secret police is basically incompetant at stoping underground movements...people assume the secret service can catch anyone, but they can't. The Weather Underground and ELF got away, completely, none of their members where ever captured (Weatherfolk turned themselves in and three accidentally killed themselves, but they basically got away even though their identities where known, and ELF identities are not known, though neither organization was actually violent in the sense that they never killed anyone or tried to). They are very good at destroying above ground movements like the Black Panthers and the Communist Party.

[Adamore]

we need to get rid of the F.C.C. they controle the media and the government controles them we need to set up mobile brodcast stations in vans or RVs to depropigate the media like a geurilla radio and tv
and call it a Free People's Public Service Anouncement

[Adamore]

thats how we get support of the masses then we can run around w/ guns :ph34r:

[viva el che]

it will happen eventually.Did you read Che's ''tri-continental'' ?. in my opinion the war has to happen in other places than american soil in order to to get the ball rolling. It's never goning to happen over night but america are pushing there weight to much in area's of the world that might just say ''no'' eventually. retalliation will happen and in my opinion maybe sheer determination will be stronger than any special forces . For me ''ches books show this they. his militant groups were smaller and less trained then their apposing forces but won because of spirit. what do you think? !
yours, viva le che