Chaos, Order and Harmony

[Fnord]

(I wasn't sure if this belonged in philosophy or theory)
Humans, by the bounds as a state of manifested order, unfortunately has a tendency to demonize chaos. This is a complete misunderstanding of the forces by themselves, contrary to when viewed through the veil of order.

Chaos is not something in relation to order, but a completely different concept and force by itself. It is a spontaneous and fluid creative force, which in it's pure form is completely free and endlessly creates. Order is an automated force by nature, in pure order there would not be a hierarchy because everything would just be automatic by itself.

Neither are possible to achieve in this realm in their purest state, because as soon as one is brought about, which it has already, there is no going back. In this realm so far, order has been corrupted by hierarchy, racism, class relations, ageism, sexism, and queer discrimination, but chaos disrupts this.

They say they want order and perceive chaos negatively because it disrupts the current order. The thing is though, that they fail to realize the problem lies within order, and as long as order is corrupted chaos will always be destructive within it's confines.

The goal was never to return to either of the pure states, but to continue the cycle of creation without limits, by means of harmony. Harmony is not the same as order, this is a misconception, harmony is when two or more forces are coinciding naturally, and in order to do this, we need to have both beings of chaos and order to work together in the global revolution as well as everyone else, to goal is to remove the current order and replace it with harmony but this cannot be achieved until chaos and order work together.

Everyone has a purpose in the global revolution, be it the politically aware ones, or the spiritually aware ones, they must be parallel to each other as there must be complete political and spiritual freedom outside of corrupted order. What I envision as global revolution is not a single international "vanguard", but masses of organizations of various sizes and individuals doing their part to take down the current order while working together as they see fit for their purpose.

If you see a conflict with this and your personal paradigm, then your probably looking at it from the other side of the mirror. It can easily be translated to whatever paradigm you choose, be it materialistic, transcendentalist, or magical.

[Fnord]

I assume no one has any opinions, questions, or ideas to add?

[TheRedAnarchist23]

Good interpretation of chaos! You see order as what nature, or society, wants, and chaos as the force that disrupts order.
The saying "Anarchy is order" usualy refers to the fact that we anarchists believe that any human society based on heirarchy and opression leads to chaos, and only through liberty can true order be reached. Order today can only be enforced, it cannot exist without someone to hold it together.
Chaos is necessary to break down society, and after chaos we can build a world of freedom and true order, anarchy.

[TheRedAnarchist23]

If you had started writting about how you see that the state cannot be used for the emanciaption of the working class you would soon see an invasion of stalinists.
Watch out for the stalinists, they are more likely to insult you and repeat marxist theory over and over again, than to actualy read what you are saying.

[Fnord]

Good interpretation of chaos! You see order as what nature, or society, wants, and chaos as the force that disrupts order.
The saying "Anarchy is order" usualy refers to the fact that we anarchists believe that any human society based on heirarchy and opression leads to chaos, and only through liberty can true order be reached. Order today can only be enforced, it cannot exist without someone to hold it together.
Chaos is necessary to break down society, and after chaos we can build a world of freedom and true order, anarchy.

I like your interpretation, as an anarchist myself though, I disagree that true order even in it's pure state would be desirable in it's entirety even in anarchy. Allow me to explain, true order would be complete automation, because of this there would be no need for a state. Order is in itself a categorizing and hierarchical force, it divides things into parts and in pure order there would be no need to enforce this because it would be naturally automatic.
I argue that this is impossible to achieve, that being pure order. Because there will always be beings of chaos and other forces all around you, people walking on the street of all different forces in their core being which conflict with other people of different forces at times. The only way to reach true and pure order in this realm would be an eternal genocide where all other forces would be killed in order to create a non hierarchical dystopia and to continue this forever as to never interrupt order.
This is completely NOT desirable in anarchism and is where there is alot of confusion.
Society do not all want order, because order would be contradictory to their core nature, chaos beings are a prime example, though there are many beings of order also, there are numerous other forces which together infinitely outnumber order.
The saying, "Anarchy is order", is thus not anarchistic, and if applied in real life it would be many times worse than even so called 'national anarchism'. In order to achieve true anarchy we would have to integrate both chaos and order as well as the other forces to destroy the current false order. Chaos in it's pure form is not attainable and neither is pure order attainable, only when they can be fused, can harmonic anarchy be achieved.
Both will be necessary in the global revolution, in the current false order everything is distorted but the purpose of the revolutionary is to correct that.
I enjoy debating though and I'd like to see if you had any objections or counters or comments.