Nicolae Ceauşescu

[Stain]

So what's the deal on him? All sources I have read hate him. But few hours ago Greg Butterfield from the WWP posted this. What's the rationale for supporting him?

"Comrade Nicolae Ceauşescu, communist revolutionary and leader of socialist Romania, was martyred alongside his wife and comrade Elena during the U.S.-backed counter-revolution on December 25, 1989.

Long demonized in the West, Ceauşescu was a lifelong communist and anti-fascist militant, who served many years in prison for his revolutionary political activities. The son of poor peasants, he worked in a shoemaker’s shop before World War II. He was first jailed at age 15 for strike support actions.

After a new, socialist-oriented Romania was established in 1947, Ceauşescu served as Minister of Agriculture and Deputy Defense Minister before becoming the party’s general-secretary in 1965 and head of state in 1967. One of his first acts was to change the name of the party from the Romanian Workers’ Party back to the Communist Party of Romania, and declare the country the Socialist Republic of Romania rather than a People’s Republic."

[Os Cangaceiros]

He was a piece of shit. I've never actually seen anyone defend his regime on this board...that's how bad he was. We're talking about almost Pol Pot levels of embarrasment.

I didn't know that the WWP supported him, but honestly it's not suprising. :rolleyes:

[Let's Get Free]

When it comes to shitting on people in this forum, Nicolae Ceaucescu is right up there with Bob Avakian and Maoist Rebel News.

[Stain]

He was a piece of shit. I've never actually seen anyone defend his regime on this board...that's how bad he was. We're talking about almost Pol Pot levels of embarrasment.

I didn't know that the WWP supported him, but honestly it's not suprising. :rolleyes:

Similar experiences. I have never heard a defense of him before. Quite strange.

[Myrdin]

An absolute failure from 1966 onward, but, in a certain way, still a slight bit better than many of his successors.

[Devrim]

Similar experiences. I have never heard a defense of him before. Quite strange.

As the previous poster says it is not surprising. WWP has a history of supporting people like this.

Devrim

[hetz]

I've never actually seen anyone defend his regime on this board...that's how bad he was.Use the search function. :D

http://www.revleft.com/vb/nicolae-ceausescu-builder-t18187/index.html?t=18187&highlight=ceausescu

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Well, considering he was killed by Romanians angry over him imposing austerity on their people due to excessive debt to western powers, it's crazy to sympathize with his regime. Why would any leftist support that person?!?!?

[l'Enfermé]

Demonized by the West? Of all the Soviet bloc countries, Romania was the only one that was actually buddies with America. Funnily enough, Romania was the only one where the "fall of communism" was also violent(over a thousand killed).

[Ravachol]

On a slightly different note, what the fuck happened here:

http://i.imgur.com/3S3hO.jpg?1?6982
http://i.imgur.com/izD7H.jpg?1?6964

[Spurcatu]

I am from Romania, but was too young to have a grasp at the political reality in those times. I was born a couple of years earlier than the 1989 revolution, which might not be a revolution but a hidden coup d'etat set up by romanian military officials backed up by Gorbachev and George H. W. Bush who had settled upon changing the regimes. Gorbaches was not pleased by Ceausescu's lead and Bush was committed to deal with central America, Nicaragua and El Salvador. They helped each other in this process. Gorbachev was displeased with Ceausescu's politics because Ceausescu would not want to give up power and let democratic elections happen. Also a daring demand that shocked Gorbachev was when Ceausescu asked him (in his last visit to Moscow) to remove all stationed troops in all of the socialist states.
A first mistake which made Ceausescu fall in the eyes of the soviet union was Ceausecu's coming into power in 1965 after Gheorghe Gheorghiu Dej, and after his coming he was about to betray the Warsaw Pact made in 1955. Hungary was the first one to "betray" The Warsaw pact, and immediately afterwards soviet tanks invaded hungary to restabilize the situation.
In 1968 again the assistance was required as set in The Warsaw pact, this time in czechoslovakia as there was an uprising. Romania under Ceausescu's rule was the only one to withhold from interfering, and not only that, but it also condemned the soviet union for its acts. This happened in august.
In september 68 Romania was also on the brink of being invaded as british secret services had dug out this information. According to this information soviet, hungarian, polish troops were summoned to invade Romania on 22 november 4 in the morning.
The british minister of foreign affairs Michael Steward had sent a text through which he informed the government officials that in the shortest time, the soviets will launch an invasion composed of about 150.000 troops.
For some unknown reason(to me maybe) this invasion never happened in Romania, being a first event that would weaken the soviet influence in the Balcans.
Another thing that worsened Ceausescu's regime was the fact that he adopted the cult of personality which he saw in China while meeting with Mao.
Otherwise his politics were not even near as brutal as Pol Pot. He was quite moderate and respected marxist theory to the fullest (planned economy, free healthcare, free studies, state assured employment,etc) . Also he paid all external debts, but by doing so he had made immense pressures upon the population, deviating a lot of the internal production towards export, leaving a lot of discontent people that would be deprived of a lot of basic goods.
Ceausescu was indeed on good relationship with america during Nixon's stay in office in 1969. Nixon said at the end in romanian "sa traiasca prietenia romano-americana" meaning "long live romanian-american friendship." Nixon was the first american president to visit a socialist country.

[Blake's Baby]

The British government loved him because he took an anti-Moscow line sometimes. The Queen knighted him or made him a Commander of the Empire, or something, in the 1970s.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

On a slightly different note, what the fuck happened here:

http://i.imgur.com/3S3hO.jpg?1?6982
http://i.imgur.com/izD7H.jpg?1?6964

Are you blind or just willingfully ignorant?


Ceauşescu was a lifelong communist and anti-fascist militant, who served many years in prison for his revolutionary political activities

He was a militant fighter, not only that, but an anti-fascist militant communist fighter. I would like to see your face after going through years of glorious antifascist battle my friend!

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Use the search function. :D

http://www.revleft.com/vb/nicolae-ceausescu-builder-t18187/index.html?t=18187&highlight=ceausescu

Man has this forum progressed. WTF, that was some scary shit.

[Le Socialiste]

Are you blind or just willingfully ignorant?


He was a militant fighter, not only that, but an anti-fascist militant communist fighter. I would like to see your face after going through years of glorious antifascist battle my friend!

Looks like we've found Ceauşescu's defender.

On a more general note, can we please quit it with the hyperbole? "Years of glorious antifascist battle"? Really?

[Ostrinski]

Are you blind or just willingfully ignorant?His point was that he was quite attractive as a young man but very unattractive as he grew older.

[o well this is ok I guess]

His point was that he was quite attractive as a young man but very unattractive as he grew older. And he's making the joke that his face was battle hardened by years of struggle

[Lenina Rosenweg]

As far as Romanian communists go, Ana Pauker was a far better figure than Nicolae Ceausescu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ana_Pauker