FBI documents reveal secret nationwide occupy monitoring

[Comrade Samuel]

http://www.justiceonline.org/commentary/fbi-files-ows.html

I'm not surprised whatsoever.

[#FF0000]

If this is the FOIA thing I'm thinking of, jump to page 61 and then 68-69 for a surprise!

I'll spoil it for you! They had plans to "take out occupy leaders by sniper fire"

[Comrade Samuel]

If this is the FOIA thing I'm thinking of, jump to page 61 and then 68-69 for a surprise!

I'll spoil it for you! They had plans to "take out occupy leaders by sniper fire"

Your kidding right?

If something like that was released to the general public I don't think there would be a U.S government the following day.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

Your kidding right?

If something like that was released to the general public I don't think there would be a U.S government the following day.

Well, it the U.S government kills children with drones, there still very much is an U.S government and it is not that unknown. It is just to easy to think that enough "negative" news about the U.S government will make people rise up.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Hardly surprising, can anyone say they honestly thought the government wasn't spying on them when at Occupy? My local Occupy group found out that the local pigs were recording every instance they wandered into our camp even before the courts shut us down. Nothing new to any kind of wannabe police state.

[Comrade Samuel]

Well, it the U.S government kills children with drones, there still very much is an U.S government and it is not that unknown. It is just to easy to think that enough "negative" news about the U.S government will make people rise up.

Given but considering how much dust was thrown up because of that U.S citizen who plotted with terrors in Yemen and was killed by a drone not so long ago I could only Imagine that knocking off several U.S citizens living within the U.S who only wanted to organize peaceful protests would be that controversy again times ten.

To an unfortunatly large majority of Americans when a fellow citizen is killed it makes the death matter a great deal more than if it was just some person in some far off country, my point with this case is that there would be outrage- for the wrong reasons but at least there would be outrage.

[#FF0000]

Your kidding right?

If something like that was released to the general public I don't think there would be a U.S government the following day.

Hahaha you kidding? Americans don't give a shit. No one gives a shit. Total collapse rewild or die baby.

But yeah the files are at the bottom of the page you linked. Here's one reference to emptying the brain cases of occupy folks:


1. An identified as of October planned to en Iacks .196 against protestors in Houston, Texas, if deemed necessary. An indentifiedl had ib7C received intelligence that indicated the protesters in New York and Seattle planned similar protests in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin, Texas. lanned to gather intelligence against the leaders of the protest groups and obtain photographs, then formulate a plan to kill the leadership via suppressed sniper rifles. (Note: protests continued throughout the weekend with approximately 6000 persons in NYC. "Occupy Wall Street" protests have spread to about half of all states in the US, over a dozen European and Asian cities, including protests in Cleveland l0/6-8/1 1 at Willard Park which was initially attended by hundreds of protestersSE-CR

[castlebravo]

unfortunately, the redactions make it unclear as to who exactly was planning the sniper attacks, so one could argue that it was a right wing group planning the shootings that the FBI was monitoring (in those lines), rather than the FBI itself.

edit: i see that was a "reported incident", which means the FBI got a report of someone planning to shoot occupy leaders

[TheRedAnarchist23]

If this is the FOIA thing I'm thinking of, jump to page 61 and then 68-69 for a surprise!

I'll spoil it for you! They had plans to "take out occupy leaders by sniper fire"

Really? They would risk breaking the ilusion of freedom?

[bcbm]

Given but considering how much dust was thrown up because of that U.S citizen who plotted with terrors in Yemen and was killed by a drone not so long ago I could only Imagine that knocking off several U.S citizens living within the U.S who only wanted to organize peaceful protests would be that controversy again times ten.

the us government has murdered plenty of people in the us for basically that. i dont think it would amount to much more than maybe some 'dust thrown up.' i mean shit how many people get gunned down by the cops every year hundreds?


To an unfortunatly large majority of Americans when a fellow citizen is killed it makes the death matter a great deal more than if it was just some person in some far off country, my point with this case is that there would be outrage- for the wrong reasons but at least there would be outrage.

im sure it would motivate a few noble citizens to write to their congressperson

[Red Banana]

I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI was going to murder some activists, but if they were serious about it they'd do it Fred Hampton style; storm in the house away from the public in the middle of the night using the local police with some bullshit warrant.

The only situation I can imagine them doing it in public is if they already had a scapegoat in line. If people knew it was the FBI it would just draw more people into the streets in protest, but if people thought it was some crazy loose cannon, they'd stop coming because 'occupy camps are dangerous'.

In the end you can never really know, though you gotta hand it to 'em, they're good at what they do. Repressers gotta repress.

[subcp]

The US doesn't have a history of recuperating protests and demonstrations the way Western Europe has- for example the German police with their armored personnel carriers and water cannon mounted armored vehicles; the spectacle is largely allowed within the bounds of normal business as usual for a 'democratic republic'. Here in the US, its nearly always been a case of shoot anything that appears or could at some future time appear to be a threat to the state. Kent State to the police riot during Occupy Oakland.

Outrage isn't enough to bring about demands for change. People won't like it, they may be disgusted by the idea of the state covertly assassinated peaceful protestors- but it doesn't impact their daily routine. This was true when the Haymarket martyrs were publicly executed, it's true today.

[RedHal]

Your kidding right?

If something like that was released to the general public I don't think there would be a U.S government the following day.

so naive, even white middle class students are not entirely safe from the murderous US gov, a few public outcrys for a few months won't topple the gov. The mass media will start ignoring it and the event will be relegated to radical leftist history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

[Tim Cornelis]

so naive, even white middle class students are not entirely safe from the murderous US gov, a few public outcrys for a few months won't topple the gov. The mass media will start ignoring it and the event will be relegated to radical leftist history.

As well as standard issued history schoolbooks--at least in the Netherlands--which is where I first read about the Kent state shooting. Please don't pretend as if this particular shooting is indicative of something systematic, it wasn't and isn't.

It is not naive to think authorities in a liberal democratic society will not needlessly assault a harmless movement, which would only grow as more people join in outrage. The opposite is perhaps true.

[#FF0000]

Really? They would risk breaking the ilusion of freedom?

oh that's precious.

[Yuppie Grinder]

You won't hear about this on NBC.

[p0is0n]

i am going to enjoy showing this to all my liberal buddies who said that the police would side with the protestors if it came down to that. not exactly surprising though.

[Os Cangaceiros]

You won't hear about this on NBC.

Of course not. OWS and so many other unfortunate incidents took place under ol' Barry's tenure. MSNBC will maybe pay some lip service to some unfortunate activities under the Obama administration, but it'll always play second fiddle to the dire warnings of an increasingly emaciated & insane GOP coming to power.

It's really amazing what Obama's administration has gotten away with. A Marine Corps spokesman recently said that children in Afghanistan could be considered legitimate targets in the war there. Had that happened under Bush, all the liberals would've had conniption fits.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Of course there was government spying I noticed undercovers giving our location and where we were headed through walkie talkies while we were marching.

[Audeamus]

Yes, Virginia, you are being monitored!


You won't hear about this on NBC.

Heavens, no, it's fine to give the banks a little guff on Maddow or O'Donnell's program, we can't be gettin too up in Obama's business. It could be worse, remember, look at the Republicans! Besides these OWS folks are a bit loony themselves.

How did Phil Ochs put it? The liberal, ten degrees to the left of center in the best of times...ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally.

[bcbm]

It's really amazing what Obama's administration has gotten away with. A Marine Corps spokesman recently said that children in Afghanistan could be considered legitimate targets in the war there. Had that happened under Bush, all the liberals would've had conniption fits.

with the same result

[Sea]

It could be worse, remember, look at the Republicans!I'd give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this is sarcasm, but I've heard that line one too many times to do that...

[Let's Get Free]

It's a gathering of people who are critical of the system: why would anyone expect the FBI NOT to have their eyes on them?

[Rugged Collectivist]

Scary, but ultimately unsurprising.

[The Intransigent Faction]

Waitwaitwait...
So they've been monitoring Occupy and making plans to kill its...leadership? The leadership of a leaderless movement?

I know American intelligence has proven...flawed, but wtf?

[subcp]

Leaderless is probably going too far; yes, it was not a hierarchical organization with layers like a pyramid; but there are the 'most advanced' or politicized elements who have significant sway through the open GA's, the various working groups/committee's, etc. In that sense it's possible to isolate 'leaders' in the sense of the most advanced individuals in local efforts pushing for extension of the struggle rather than weak protest demands about a transparent Federal Reserve, abolition of the Citizens United SCOTUS decision, etc. Occupy's actions had shut down West Coast ports numerous times; choke points of the most vital resources of international commerce and trade. That's a big deal, no matter how temporary or well received this solidarity was. It's dangerous to the status quo.