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Hexen
23rd December 2012, 08:05
I've been thinking about this recently, In a post-revolutionary society, would religious extremism/fundamentalism would be seen as a threat? I mean when the world shifts from capitalism to communism would religious (for example christian) extremists see this as "The sign of the end times and the arrival of the Anti-Christ and New World Order" which they would form 'resistance' groups in a attempt to bring down the communist society and install a theocracy?

Is it possible that we would face this problem? Would the abolishment of capitalism and replacing it with socialism/communism would make religious extremism even worse than it is now?

Sea
23rd December 2012, 08:14
If we were to face this problem, it would surely rear its head during the revolution. Only if reactionary forces could not be exterminated then would we face it in a post-revolutionary society.

Hexen
23rd December 2012, 08:31
If we were to face this problem, it would surely rear its head during the revolution. Only if reactionary forces could not be exterminated then would we face it in a post-revolutionary society.

You know I think it would be interesting fiction territory to explore though. Speaking of which I think it would be also interesting to see fiction about a actual post-revolutionary society vs a religious extremist/fascist society locked into a 'cold war' of some sort representing the shoehorn theory (I think the story could be a metaphor for RevLeft vs Stormfront basically) although I wonder if there's fiction like this already existing although most likely not but Ursula K. Le Guin's "The Dispossessed" is the closest example I can think up.

Although this could be a real problem we could face, how would we deal with this problem if it ever comes to it? Is it highly probable and likely?

robbo203
23rd December 2012, 09:31
Where is the economic leverage in a free access communist society based on volunteer labour ("From each according to abilities...) that would enable some individuals to impose their will on others? What material advantage would there be for anyone to relinquish their new found freedom for enslavement?

Any recidivist pro-capitalist elements in a communist society would wither and die of their own accord in my view. You cannot literally speaking "exterminate" such individuals anyway and to propose to do so would only reproduce the barbarism of the capitalist police state in which political opponents of the regime are silenced by the isolation of the gulag or the terror of the firing squad.

The means by which you seek to bring about a free and democratic society must be in harmony with the end you seek. The end does not justifies the means so much as determine the means....

Hexen
23rd December 2012, 11:36
I guess it's best to have them wither away than oppression.

Sea
25th December 2012, 00:56
What material advantage would there be for anyone to relinquish their new found freedom for enslavement?Wait.. you mean freedom from enslavement, right?

TheOneWhoKnocks
25th December 2012, 02:48
I don't think there will ever be a total eradication of religious fundamentalism. It's more or less always existed, though until recently it was pretty marginal in terms of its influence. I think the significant rise of economic instability, as well as Western imperialism, has provided a material incentive for the emergence of fundamentalism as a dominant trend in some religious sects. People often turn to religion to deal with and understand severe hardships. If we eliminated those material factors, I think fundamentalism inevitably would become less of an issue.

Hexen
25th December 2012, 17:56
Basically what inspired me to create this thread is once again "Bioshock: Infinite" where it's a religious cult society called the "Founders" which has a leftist opposition called the "Vox Populi" raising up against them. Now what if that was vice versa which we have a Leftist society but religious fundamentalist/extremists are 'raising up' against it?

That's the thought that occurred to me.

fgilbert2
30th December 2012, 13:49
I would perhaps suggest reading "What's Wrong With Kansas" by Thomas Frank. He looks at a state that is controlled by extremist, fundamentalist-driven Republicans, but which used to be a hotbed of populism and socialism.