Graphic Footage: Cop shoots unarmed man 11 times

[A Revolutionary Tool]

On June 8th 2011 Ernest Duenez was exiting a vehicle as Officer Moody shouted "Don't you move or I'll shoot you". His foot got tangled in the seat belt as he tried to get out of the truck. As he bends over to try and untangle his foot Officer Moody shoots him 11 times, 4 times(including in the face and the back) as he already lay on the ground.

Officer Moody claims Ernest had a knife and a few days ago the DA concluded in an investigation(Cops investigating cops, almost as trustworthy as banks regulating themselves right) that nothing Moody did was in the wrong. They claim Ernest was carrying a knife and posing a threat to Officer Moody. They claim he had a 8-inch knife in his hands when he was exiting the vehicle. At the crime scene there was a knife but the problem was it wasn't on Ernest, not in his hands or near his body on the ground, it was in the back of the pickup truck. The DA claims that Ernest must have thrown the knife as he was being shot by Moody.

In response the Duenez family released the dash cam video they possessed of Officer Moody brutally killing Ernest just a couple days ago. He exits the vehicle with no knife visible in his hands and the whole time you never see any 8-inch knife fly from his hands to the back of the truck as you would see if what the DA says is right. What was really chilling for me was the DA says in their report just released last week that Moody kept pulling the trigger even after his clip was out. Which means if Moody could have he would have shot Ernest more times than he already did while Ernest lay on the ground after already receiving 11 shots.

The video here(Warning, this is a video of someone getting shot 11 times by police. There's not much blood but it's still pretty disturbing. And the video is 20 minutes but the pig shooting Ernest happens within the first minute with the rest of the video showing the police responding to what just happened):
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California cop shoots unarmed man eleven times

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The day after prosecutors cleared a police officer for shooting a man eleven times and killing him, attorneys representing the victim released a graphic video showing the shooting.
The San Joaquin Country district attorney’s office concluded that California Police Officer James Moody had been legally justified in shooting 34-year-old Ernesto Duenez Jr., but the video might bring the case back to court.
On June 8, 2011, the officer ordered Duenez to get out of his pickup truck, which was parked in the driveway of his house. Duenez was on parole and was wanted in connection with a domestic-violence incident that occurred earlier that day. When the man exited his vehicle, Officer Moody immediately opened fire, shooting 13 times and riddling the man with 11 bullets in 4.2 seconds as he rolled on the ground.
Duenez was shot once in the head, eight times in his body and twice in his extremities. Four of these shots occurred while he was already on the ground. He died shortly thereafter from gunshot wounds to the chest and abdomen.
While the officer was firing his gun, the victim’s wife ran out of the house, screaming at the officer and subsequently crying over her husband’s dead body.
Moody claims he shot the victim because he saw Duenez holding a knife. An 8-inch knife with a 4-inch blade was later found in the bed of the truck, but Duenez was not carrying it at the time of the shooting. The footage also shows the victim’s foot getting stuck in the seatbelt while he was trying to exit the vehicle.
The camera footage contradicts the story told by the officer, showing a situation in which Duenez posed no threat to the police.
“This is more barbaric than even the Oscar Grant shooting,” Oakland attorney John Burris, who filed a wrongful-death lawsuit, told the San Francisco Chronicle.
Even though Duenez was a known gang member who had violated his parole by failing a drug test, prosecutors claim he was in the wrong by fatally shooting the unarmed man.
Rosemary Duenez, the victim’s mother, agreed to release the video in response to the court decision to clear the officer of the crime. After Burris showed it to her, the 58-year-old woman said she hopes the video will garner support from others.
“As heartbreaking as it is, people need to see what happened,” she told the Chronicle. “They need to know what we see, and what we’re fighting for.”

[I don't know why they have a picture of a Oakland police car considering the events happened about an hour drive away in Manteca]

[ВАЛТЕР]

That is pretty damning evidence. The officer should be charged with murder. I mean there is nothing to suggest that the officers actions were justified. He was hunched over when the the officer started shooting.

Now, imagine if this footage had come from some country like Syria or Iran? The US would be up in arms over it. There would be talk of human rights abuse on all the major news networks. Yet when it is in the US, cop apologists defend the the officer and his actions and the police department doesn't arrest the man who if he had not been wearing a uniform would be considered a murderer.

[Rusty Shackleford]

I feel nothing but absolute rage after seeing that.

[#FF0000]

Cops are kind of trained to empty their clips, iirc.

What i don't understand is why cops are so eager to shoot other than they just know they can kill and get away with it, frankly. I know the whole "gugugugu my life is on the line" thing but that rings extremely hollow to me. You see this guy's hands are empty and even if he was reaching for a weapon, a cop with gun trained and ready to fire could pull a trigger faster than someone could point and shoot. There's no reason to not wait and shoot only when one actually sees a weapon.

Basically I'm saying it seems like cops look for excuses to kill people.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Right, I was so pissed a couple days ago when the video came out that I couldn't sleep that night. And they all stand around him guns pointed at him like he's a threat as he lays on the ground motionless. Don't even try and help him, first thing they do after they cut the seat belt off of his ankle is put him in fucking handcuffs and search him! Of course they arrest and charge his wife(The woman who comes out crying and screaming at the pigs) for some stupid charges.

Share the video with everybody you know, like Justice for Ernest Duenez Jr on facebook http://www.facebook.com/justiceforernest, write the family your condolences(They really appreciate that) and tell them how upset you are, idk do something!

John Burris, who represented the family of Oscar Grant, is representing the Duenez family and has already filed a civil lawsuit against the city. But they're calling for a federal investigation and murder charges to be brought up against this fucking scumbag.

[Let's Get Free]

It is not enough to shout "pigs" about the atrocities and injustice of the police. There has to be a mass political movement, and ultimately the ability to remove them from poor and communities of color entirely, and build a self-defense force and self-governing commune to deal with the internal social problems...and keep their asses out. Until we are able to do that, we will continually be victimized by these colonial agents.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Cops are kind of trained to empty their clips, iirc.

What i don't understand is why cops are so eager to shoot other than they just know they can kill and get away with it, frankly. I know the whole "gugugugu my life is on the line" thing but that rings extremely hollow to me. You see this guy's hands are empty and even if he was reaching for a weapon, a cop with gun trained and ready to fire could pull a trigger faster than someone could point and shoot. There's no reason to not wait and shoot only when one actually sees a weapon.

Basically I'm saying it seems like cops look for excuses to kill people.

Cops aren't trained to empty magazines. They are just trained to shoot center mass and only until the person is no longer a clear and present threat to them.When the person falls down or drops his/her weapon, then they aren't legally allowed to shoot since they do not present a threat. Although, whether or not the individual officer follows this rule is entirely up to them. Since cops cover for other cops. This video evidence should be enough to convict him of murder no doubt.

Also, I find it interesting that he said "I will shoot you" before he shot the guy. He obviously had his mind set on using his weapon and was just itching at the opportunity to do so.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Ive seen too many videos of people being shot by the pigs and then being left to die as more swine show up with pistols drawn. Medical help never getting there on time of course.

I noticed the second time (i couldnt get past watching after he starts shooting again) that he said "drop the knife" and what comes to mind is the south park gag of "look out, its coming right at us" Which Jimbo yells before shooting endangered species in order to get away with it.


EDIT: Cops are not trained to empty their magazines. Maybe in the movies and on television, but by law, no. Walter is right.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Ive seen too many videos of people being shot by the pigs and then being left to die as more swine show up with pistols drawn. Medical help never getting there on time of course.

I noticed the second time (i couldnt get past watching after he starts shooting again) that he said "drop the knife" and what comes to mind is the south park gag of "look out, its coming right at us" Which Jimbo yells before shooting endangered species in order to get away with it.
Not only that, he yells "get on the ground" multiple times after he's done shooting him before he spots Ernest's wife and screams that at her.

What's also troubling is in the report the DA came out with they say that when Ernest's wife comes around the corner crying and rushing towards Ernest's body Officer Moody pulls his trigger again. Which means the fucker would have shot the wife too if he had ammo in his gun! And the same report says that Officer Moody is INNOCENT of any wrongdoing :cursing::cursing::cursing::cursing:.

[Rusty Shackleford]

And here is what poor Officer Moody has to put up with

http://www.9-1-1magazine.com/PPT-Manteca-Officer-Harassed


fucker needs to rot.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Oh god that woman's reaction is harder to watch than the actual murder - heartbreaking.

As far as cops being quick on the trigger or taser or nightstick I think #FF0000 is totally right - they know they can get away with it 99.99% of the time. Over the last generation there has been a steady stream of legislation and (supreme) court decisions giving cops (and DAs) more leeway and more discression while also insulating the criminal justice system from charges of abuse and particularly of systemic racism or bias.

On top of that is the larger ideological shield. All that the cops usually have to do in these cases is say "he was associated with gang members" or "we thought he had a knife". The news media and politicians repeat this lie and then it appears as truth, fitting into the larger racist narrative in the US of criminal black and brown "thugs" who are essentially sociopaths. In this context the hegemonic weight backs the idea that it is more likely that all these cases are of "thugs" who had mysterious disappearing and reappearing weapons than to believe that the police are structurally organized to control and harass peopole - particularly poor people.

But two things cut against this: video footage which more often than not does not back up the cops story in contested cases of brutality or police-murder; and community organization which can champion the anonomous (as presented in the media) black youth with a real picture of working class communities and the actual kid as a person, not just "another" killed kid.

I don't think cops necissarily look for excuses to kill people - though I've often heard about unofficial rules inside departments about when it is necissary to beat people to make them respect police authority (things like systematically beating people who run from cops, thus making their job harder) - I think the nature of their job creates the situation. Their job is to go around communities and figurativly (though sometimes literally) slap people in the face all day - then they regualrly face resentment and hostility when then necissitates a heavy-hand to "do the job". Of course then the conditions of patrolling people deemed "wothless" or at least "worthy" of mistreatment also enables people to comit really brutal acts in sadistic ways too... similar to the kinds of sadistic acts done by people in war. But I think this is a side effect - the actual rotten apples who get to ferment beyond the norm because they are sitting in an entire barrel of rot. Of course, the police force tends to enable this behavior and encourage it. In the attacks on Occupy Oakland, operation commanders were chosen by their record of harshness in these situations. The cop who killed Alan Blueford was kicked off other police forces for his record of brutality, and Mehserle who killed Oscar Grant wants to petition the courts to allow him to work as a cop in another city!

[A Revolutionary Tool]

And here is what poor Officer Moody has to put up with

http://www.9-1-1magazine.com/PPT-Manteca-Officer-Harassed


fucker needs to rot.
Yeah they've been doing shit like that. There have been weekly protests outside of the police station for a little over a year now. They gave out citations to people who were caught putting up little posters on traffic lights in connection to this murder(Which is pretty common practice around here yard sale posters up everywhere all the time, posters for homophobic church meetings, etc, but the cops obviously enforce that rule when the poster is about one of their own). Then Moody tried to put a restraining order on Ernest's brother when they ran into each other at a amusement park after he pulled out a camera on him calling him a murderer. Oh god, poor Officer Moody.


Oh god that woman's reaction is harder to watch than the actual murder - heartbreaking.

As far as cops being quick on the trigger or taser or nightstick I think #FF0000 is totally right - they know they can get away with it 99.99% of the time. Over the last generation there has been a steady stream of legislation and (supreme) court decisions giving cops (and DAs) more leeway and more discression while also insulating the criminal justice system from charges of abuse and particularly of systemic racism or bias.

On top of that is the larger ideological shield. All that the cops usually have to do in these cases is say "he was associated with gang members" or "we thought he had a knife". The news media and politicians repeat this lie and then it appears as truth, fitting into the larger racist narrative in the US of criminal black and brown "thugs" who are essentially sociopaths. In this context the hegemonic weight backs the idea that it is more likely that all these cases are of "thugs" who had mysterious disappearing and reappearing weapons than to believe that the police are structurally organized to control and harass peopole - particularly poor people.

But two things cut against this: video footage which more often than not does not back up the cops story in contested cases of brutality or police-murder; and community organization which can champion the anonomous (as presented in the media) black youth with a real picture of working class communities and the actual kid as a person, not just "another" killed kid.

I don't think cops necissarily look for excuses to kill people - though I've often heard about unofficial rules inside departments about when it is necissary to beat people to make them respect police authority (things like systematically beating people who run from cops, thus making their job harder) - I think the nature of their job creates the situation. Their job is to go around communities and figurativly (though sometimes literally) slap people in the face all day - then they regualrly face resentment and hostility when then necissitates a heavy-hand to "do the job". Of course then the conditions of patrolling people deemed "wothless" or at least "worthy" of mistreatment also enables people to comit really brutal acts in sadistic ways too... similar to the kinds of sadistic acts done by people in war. But I think this is a side effect - the actual rotten apples who get to ferment beyond the norm because they are sitting in an entire barrel of rot. Of course, the police force tends to enable this behavior and encourage it. In the attacks on Occupy Oakland, operation commanders were chosen by their record of harshness in these situations. The cop who killed Alan Blueford was kicked off other police forces for his record of brutality, and Mehserle who killed Oscar Grant wants to petition the courts to allow him to work as a cop in another city!

Yeah exactly what happened here too. The shooting happened and the next day the local newspaper came out with a story saying a criminal gang member attacked a cop with a gun. Only after pressure from the family did the paper retract their statements and say that a weapon was found on the scene, but it's unclear if he had possession of it or if he attacked the cop. Now that the video is out and people are seeing what happened a lot of people are in shock but there are also other people I'm talking to saying the cop was justified. My stepfather(Who has been a prison guard, has worked at the border trying to catch people coming into the country) shrugged it off saying that cops make mistakes. Other responses have been shit like "He was a parole, we're better off anyways". That pisses me off to no extent and I'm surprised there haven't been fights because I've seen people say that to people like Ernest's brother and cousin and I get so mad that I almost start crying.

And the police are crooked as fuck, they'll side with their buddies through thick and think even when they're obviously in the wrong with this code of silence of theirs. What really cemented my belief that this was a murder months before the videotape was released was after speaking with my friend who is around cops all the time. His mother is a police dispatcher so cops will be over there all the time. One day he was smoking weed with two of them and they straight up told him that Moody killed the guy in cold blood when he brought it up. They'll never stand up against that injustice though, I've never seen them at the protests, they haven't said a word to others who they don't think are cop apologists(It's funny they don't realize that my friend hates cops with a passion). They just let it happen and keep their mouths shut.

[Lynx]

Handcuffing a corpse - is that part of police procedure??

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

...just..fuck sake man, some of these 'law-enforcement' officers are flat-out psychotic. And the system will do all it can to protect them. Really depressing :(

[Thelonious]

Every police department needs a CCRB (civilian complaint review board). Instead of internal affairs or the DA deciding if a police officer committed a crime a board of elected civilians should have that responsibility. Police know that they can literally get away with murder.

This police officer should be immediately arrested and held without bail.

[Hexen]

Cops are equivalent to Mafia hitpersons.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Cops are equivalent to Mafia hitpersons.Yeah or they are the slave-catchers for capital.

[Comrade Jandar]

This is why I don't bat an eye when I hear about a police officer being killed.

[Os Cangaceiros]

As another use said in another thread:


I feel like we're going to have have a tribunal to deal with police and security force terror after any revolution, to say nothing about a full scrutiny of the prisons and everyone in them.

Quite frankly, I don't think I'd shed a tear for some getting the La Cabana treatment.

I have reservations about that, though, as it would probably be a waste of perfectly good bullets. :(

[Art Vandelay]

I hate this fucking world.

[Art Vandelay]

I have reservations about that, though, as it would probably be a waste of perfectly good bullets. :(

We'll string em up if need be.

[Althusser]

An intense concentrated rage makes me want to buy tickets to california, stare at the seat in front of me for the entirety of the six hour flight, get my hands on a weapon, and kill the bastard.

Just heartbreaking. That poor woman. I bet those fucking pigs are trained to say "Drop the knife" before opening fire.

Let's all remember that even though a cop kills a black person every 24-48 hours, this one time, a cop gave a homeless dude some boots! And also, they're one bounced check away from being here with us!

To quote Ice-T,

Cop killer, better you than me.
Cop killer, fuck police brutality!
Cop killer, I know your family's grievin'. Fuck 'em.
Cop killer, but tonight we get even.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I hate this fucking world.

Yeah, there's nothing like a good police brutality story to make you realize that there are plenty of people out there who deserve a long fall over deep water.

[Ostrinski]

No such thing as an innocent pig.

[Let's Get Free]

It's absolutely dismaying about how overwhelmingly reactionary the comments are on this murder on other places on the internet.

[Thelonious]

The cracker-pig murdered this man in broad daylight. He stated his intent to shoot before Mr. Duenez even exited the vehicle. The cracker-pig is still shooting while he is making a radio transmission to headquarters. After watching this barbarous video it is profusely clear that this murder was premeditated. The other cracker-pig confederates nonchalantly put on rubber gloves and traipse around the scene as if they just gunned down a stray mongrel. This whole thing reeks of conspiracy. The fact that these cracker-pigs are free to rove the streets searching for their next victim makes my stomach contract with disgust.

[Sea]

felony 459 -- breaking and entering
felony 261.5c -- statutory rape
felony 11377 -- drugs
misdemeanor 148a -- falsifying evidence
misdemeanor 14601a -- driving with suspended license
felony 2800.2 -- reckless driving for evading a cop
felony 10851 -- grand theft auto
felony 496d -- knowingly buying a stolen car
felony 245a1 -- assault with a deadly weapon
felony 10851 -- more stolen cars
felony 186.22a -- willful gang activity

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.html/pen_table_of_contents.html
http://www.news10.net/assetpool/documents/121213031330_121112-DUENEZ-PROTOCOL.pdf


I really hate to see the guy killed. A true martyr, he stood up against bourgeois law and paid for it with his life. RIP Duenez, I'll always look up to you. :crying:

(Though the actions of Moody were uncalled for, I hope this provides some perspective.)

[Art Vandelay]

felony 459 -- breaking and entering
felony 261.5c -- statutory rape
felony 11377 -- drugs
misdemeanor 148a -- falsifying evidence
misdemeanor 14601a -- driving with suspended license
felony 2800.2 -- reckless driving for evading a cop
felony 10851 -- grand theft auto
felony 496d -- knowingly buying a stolen car
felony 245a1 -- assault with a deadly weapon
felony 10851 -- more stolen cars
felony 186.22a -- willful gang activity

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.html/pen_table_of_contents.html
http://www.news10.net/assetpool/documents/121213031330_121112-DUENEZ-PROTOCOL.pdf


I really hate to see the guy killed. A true martyr, he stood up against bourgeois law and paid for it with his life. RIP Duenez, I'll always look up to you. :crying:

If you are making the point I think you're making, then you can go fuck yourself.

[Sea]

If you are making the point I think you're making, then you can go fuck yourself.My point was that he wasn't "just a normal citizen". No amount of coffee can be an excuse for jumping the gun like that officer did. I give the pig all of my anger, but I give Duenez no remorse. I give him pity, though, in the same way I pity all who are trapped into crime by our system.

[Art Vandelay]

My point he wasn't "just a normal citizen". No amount of coffee can be an excuse for jumping the gun like that officer did. I give the pig all of my anger, but I give Duenez no remorse.

So because he had a checkered criminal history, he deserved to die on his front lawn, filled with an entire clip?

I stand by my statement: go fuck yourself. Pfh, some communist. :rolleyes:

[Sea]

So because he had a checkered criminal history, he deserved to die on his front lawn, filled with an entire clip?.....I said that?!

And yeah I guess it is sort of John Birch to not be sad that there's one less carjacking kiddy-fucking gangbanger in the world. :lol:

[A Revolutionary Tool]

My point was that he wasn't "just a normal citizen". No amount of coffee can be an excuse for jumping the gun like that officer did. I give the pig all of my anger, but I give Duenez no remorse. I give him pity, though, in the same way I pity all who are trapped into crime by our system.

Wasn't just a normal citizen? I could be charged with half of those crimes, I hope if I ever got murdered by police the response wouldn't be "I feel bad for ART but I can't say I'm sad there's one less violent druggie gangbanger in the world :lol:"

[Sea]

Wasn't just a normal citizen? I could be charged with half of those crimes, I hope if I ever got murdered by police the response wouldn't be "I feel bad for ART but I can't say I'm sad there's one less violent druggie gangbanger in the world :lol:"It certainly wouldn't be for me. You're not a common criminal, are you?

[A Revolutionary Tool]

It certainly wouldn't be for me. You're not a common criminal, are you?

What are you, a cop? You shouldn't ask people if they commit crimes on here. I commit crimes all the time though, check out the stoner talk thread. I used to be involved in street gangs and have been charged with assault and battery with gang enhancements. And that's what's only on my record. I'm not involved in that stuff anymore but fuck you. Your attitude is the same exact attitude which enables these cops, they know a lot of people will hear a parole got shot by police and say who cares if he dies, he's just a common criminal, he probably even deserved it. Then they get away with it again and kill more people, beat more people, brutalize whole communities and people silently sit back and don't care because those people are just "common criminals."

[Sea]

What are you, a cop?
weeooooweeeoooooweeeoooo that's my siren

You shouldn't ask people if they commit crimes on here. I commit crimes all the time though, check out the stoner talk thread. I used to be involved in street gangs and have been charged with assault and battery with gang enhancements. And that's what's only on my record. I'm not involved in that stuff anymore but fuck you. Your attitude is the same exact attitude which enables these cops, they know a lot of people will hear a parole got shot by police and say who cares if he dies, he's just a common criminal, he probably even deserved it. Then they get away with it again and kill more people, beat more people, brutalize whole communities and people silently sit back and don't care because those people are just "common criminals."First of all that was a rhetorical question, but I guess that doesn't stop you. I couldn't care less if you were Al Capone for pete's sake.

My attitude is not what enables police brutality. Save that line for people who think that legality should decide if a 'punishment' is right or wrong. Save it for those who think it's okay to send swat teams to the houses of revolutionists just as much as it is to ticket a jaywalker. Save it for those who claim police brutality isn't in part a reflection on the purpose of police in capitalist society. All that's not even touching on the fact that specific attitudes alone have diddly squat to do with what ends up being considered accepted police behavior, and that goes triple for what's considered criminal behavior.

It's rather odd the way you immediately jump on me for shunning the criminal. Mind you, I never once endorsed the actions of the police officer any more than you or 9mm did.

Robbery, sexual assult and thuggery are not things to be defended. Not even by using your little slippery slope "..and now everyone's a common criminal!" fallacy. If you think they are, you can go fuck yourself.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

weeooooweeeoooooweeeoooo that's my siren
First of all that was a rhetorical question, but I guess that doesn't stop you. I couldn't care less if you were Al Capone for pete's sake.

My attitude is not what enables police brutality. Save that line for people who think that legality should decide if a 'punishment' is right or wrong. Save it for those who think it's okay to send swat teams to the houses of revolutionists just as much as it is to ticket a jaywalker. Save it for those who claim police brutality isn't in part a reflection on the purpose of police in capitalist society. All that's not even touching on the fact that specific attitudes alone have diddly squat to do with what ends up being considered accepted police behavior, and that goes triple for what's considered criminal behavior.

It's rather odd the way you immediately jump on me for shunning the criminal. Mind you, I never once endorsed the actions of the police officer any more than you or 9mm did.

Robbery, sexual assult and thuggery are not things to be defended. Not even by using your little slippery slope "..and now everyone's a common criminal!" fallacy. If you think they are, you can go fuck yourself.
I'm not defending Ernest's criminal past, I just find it very telling that in response to a story about police brutality you bring up a list of things Ernest has been charged with and then mockingly exclaim that he is a martyr. Now you may not see justification for the murder of Ernest but the language you adopt is that of the oppressors, it's the arguments people make that cover a policy of police brutality in minority communities, it's justification for the police to act like the real thugs. Maybe you don't think like that but it's the exact same thing that cop apologists use.

Ernest was a criminal, who cares if he got killed by cops.

[hetz]

Duenez seems to have been a piece of shit and scum-rapist, but that's not the point, the point is that the police should not execute people like that and such criminal behaviour and such violation of police codes ( which are already brutal ) should be exposed and fought against.

[Thelonious]

I hope this provides some perspective.)[/QUOTE]

Whether or not it was your intention, this quote insinuates that you believe there are mitigating factors in defense of the policeman. You seem to be playing both sides of the coin; in essence you say, "That was terrible what that policeman did to that man, well at least the man he shot he was a career criminal."

Would you feel different about the actions of the police officer if it was a stay-at-home mom with no criminal record, who volunteered at the local soup kitchen? I'm not trying to be facetious, I am trying to understand your exact opinion on the matter.

[Sea]

Whether or not it was your intention, this quote insinuates that you believe there are mitigating factors in defense of the policeman. You seem to be playing both sides of the coin; in essence you say, "That was terrible what that policeman did to that man, well at least the man he shot he was a career criminal."That I made it clear that the man was filth makes me guilty of defending his murder? Cherry-picking for quotes or not, that's a rather perverted standard of justice that you seem to be holding me up to. My point is that anger at the policeman is 100% justified in every way, but that doesn't mean we should be defending Duenez.


I give the pig all of my anger, but I give Duenez no remorse.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Defending Ernest against what!? Nobody brought up his past except for you!

[brigadista]

regardless of his previous the man was gunned down like an animal and then his body was treated like dead road kill - pure barbarism - truly vile summary execution - all police should be accountable to the community

[mo7amEd]

I didn't see the whole video. Are they cuffing a dead person or was he still alive at that point (first 4-5 min)? Seems pretty redundant (and offensive) to cuff his lifeless body, doesn't it?

[No_Leaders]

Seriously that pissed me off. Fucking scum. I've been away from this site for sometime, mostly because my internet was shut off, and i've been through a bunch of downs lately.. only to finally come back read this and become raged! sighh.. And that i leave with a quote from a song i enjoy.

"Some nights I dream of mutilated politicians on poles
headless officers of the almighty law
bloated bankers choking on money
the hungry feeding off pigs' corpses
the wonderful smell of racist's rotten flesh on fire
OPPRESSORS BE WARNED, ALL DREAMS COME TRUE SOMEDAY"

[Sea]

Defending Ernest against what!? Nobody brought up his past except for you!Against his loss of life. Before you claim that I'm defending his murderer by saying that, even if the cop didn't shoot him he still damn well deserved (and could have reasonably expected to get had he thought before acting) a long hard stay underground.


The cracker-pig murdered this man in broad daylight. He stated his intent to shoot before Mr. Duenez even exited the vehicle. The cracker-pig is still shooting while he is making a radio transmission to headquarters. After watching this barbarous video it is profusely clear that this murder was premeditated. The other cracker-pig confederates nonchalantly put on rubber gloves and traipse around the scene as if they just gunned down a stray mongrel. This whole thing reeks of conspiracy. The fact that these cracker-pigs are free to rove the streets searching for their next victim makes my stomach contract with disgust....no.

[Jimmie Higgins]

My attitude is not what enables police brutality.But essentially it is. Devaluing "criminals" as people is exactly what all the "tough on crime" propaganda has been about. Cops can get away with brutality and murder because of (largely racist) myths of sociopathic criminals (in poor neighborhoods).

What did the cops say they killed Oscar Grant: he was involved in a "gang altercation" on the subway - they later had to retract. What did the Aneheim cops say about the neighborhood they attacked after they protested a murder by the police: they said "people with known gang affiliation" attack the police.

The cop shot this guy, not because of his record specifically, but because he knew he'd probably get away with it. That and cops consider running away to be a threat to their authority - most of the recent California shootings happened when people ran away (supposedly waving knives or guns behind them as they ran). Afterall if your job is bascically to pull over dozens of black and latino kids every-day in pretext stops, it's going to be difficult if people always run. But because the propaganda and news media equate any interaction between a young black male and a cop to be some sort of "gang" thing, and because of the way all poor communities have part of their population always with one foot in the bad end of the justice system, cops know that if they shoot someone with even the slightest hint of cause, they will be legally protected, and generally defended by the department, the city, and the media.


All that's not even touching on the fact that specific attitudes alone have diddly squat to do with what ends up being considered accepted police behavior, and that goes triple for what's considered criminal behavior.
Sure induvidual attitudes just in passing don't mean all that much, but I think it's important for those engaged in radical politics and organizing, to reject these assumption that help sell the "war on crime (black and latino males)" to the population.

So yeah, he had a record, if he was trying the run - probably the draconian laws for repeat offenders was the main reason. That's no justification for shooting him - in the same situation, the cops would have shot someone with no record whatsoever... and then they would have tried to discredit them some other way in the media to excuse the death.

[brigadista]

Sea if they can do it to him - they can do it to you - criminality has NOTHING to do with it

[Luís Henrique]

I'm not defending Ernest's criminal past, I just find it very telling that in response to a story about police brutality you bring up a list of things Ernest has been charged with and then mockingly exclaim that he is a martyr. Now you may not see justification for the murder of Ernest but the language you adopt is that of the oppressors, it's the arguments people make that cover a policy of police brutality in minority communities, it's justification for the police to act like the real thugs. Maybe you don't think like that but it's the exact same thing that cop apologists use.

Ernest was a criminal, who cares if he got killed by cops.

Well, we have seen people calling for vigilante justice or plain and simple execution of criminals here in revleft. One of the crimes attributed - truely or falsely - to Mr Duenez was "statutory rape" - and I remember posters here claiming that this is exactly what should be done to rapists.

Those cops are murderers - not just the one who shot the guy, but all the gang. Absolutely disgusting. There was absolutely no hint of any aggressive reaction by the victim that could justify the shooting. Such guys need immediate disciplinary measures, the first of which is disarming and taking them out of service until they are criminally tried.

And there needs to be some different State agency that can look into these police misdoings, not staffed by cops, or at least not by cops from the same corporation. Else how is anyone to be safe against police extra-judicial executions?

Also, those cops are freaking craven, behaving as if there was any threat against them after they murdered the guy, telling the widow to back off, etc. They look like they were all on cocaine, and not just a little amount of it if you ask me.

Luís Henrique