Stormfront

[Slavoj Zizek's Balls]

Didn't know where to post this but...

http://www.stormfront.co.uk/

WTF?

[Pelarys]

It's pretty well known.

[GoddessCleoLover]

I noticed that it is a UK website. Does "stormfront" have a different connotation in the UK?

[prolcon]

Stormfront - Apple Premium Reseller!

A very slightly less objectionable use of the name, in my opinion.

[Slavoj Zizek's Balls]

As far as I know, it does not. It has fascist/nazi connotations which is why I think it's incredibly bizarre.

[Makarov]

Collective idiocy has to thrive somewhere

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Figures it sells Apple vomit.

[Q]

It's pretty well known.

You clearly didn't click that link :lol:


Figures it sells Apple vomit.

Don't dis Apple, that is just so wannabe-leftist. The products are of a high standard. I'm considering to buy one of these new iMacs next year myself actually.

But yeah, this should go into non-political.
Ontopic: Their PR department can't have done their homework. I mean, literally a single google search should convince you how bad this name is for being a reseller :lol:

[Red Banana]

Don't dis Apple, that is just so wannabe-leftist.

It's wannabe-leftist to oppose a major capitalist institution with exceptionally poor labor practices?

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Don't dis Apple, that is just so wannabe-leftist. The products are of a high standard. I'm considering to buy one of these new iMacs next year myself actually.


It's a stereotype to react like that, too, don't you know? It's all stereotypes. I can't stand Apple's awful design choices. It's all terrible and always was, right back to those 1986 computers we had back in first year of school, only now Apple are so dominant with their ugly shit that Microshit is imitating it - not to imply that any are even half-acceptable. World going to hell-- Hipsters with their useless phones in a cafeteria, reading about how to save the oh-so-endangered oceanic pest of a dolphin species that's as threatened by extinction as is the cockroach. Pffft.

[Pelarys]

You clearly didn't click that link :lol:
Oh... Well I feel stupid now.

[Q]

It's wannabe-leftist to oppose a major capitalist institution with exceptionally poor labor practices?

Yes. That is very wannabe-leftist.

Actual leftists oppose the system, but recognize that as long as it exists we can hardly ignore it.

Besides, if you're referring to the Foxconn factories, where Apple manufactures their hardware, then my point still stands: All Chinese factories suck, and China just happens to be the factory of the world.

And on that topic: Apple announced to move some of their production lines to the USA again. What are thoughts on this?

[GPDP]

And on that topic: Apple announced to move some of their production lines to the USA again. What are thoughts on this?

Sounds like a PR move to show how economically patriotic Apple are to me.

Anyway, isn't it the standard leftist computer geek line to support open systems like Linux?

[Q]

Sounds like a PR move to show how economically patriotic Apple are to me.
Something that crossed my mind too.


Anyway, isn't it the standard leftist computer geek line to support open systems like Linux?

I still support it. I've been on Linux for a decade now and there is nothing stopping me from also running Linux on a Mac :p

But I did drop the zealot open source advocacy. I still prefer it though, if it is a real option.

[Red Banana]

Actual leftists oppose the system, but recognize that as long as it exists we can hardly ignore it.

Yes, and opposing the entire system of capitalism includes opposing all capitalst institutions.

If one opposes the entire capitalist system why should apple (or any other individual capitalist institution) be shielded from criticism?

[hetz]

But Apple products are shit.

[Q]

Yes, and opposing the entire system of capitalism includes opposing all capitalst institutions.

If one opposes the entire capitalist system why should apple (or any other individual capitalist institution) be shielded from criticism?

Sorry, but by your logic we should all stop doing groceries, since it supports capitalism and the grocery store is, after all, a capitalist institution! Gasp!

Yawn.

This can only lead to primitivist or nihilist crap and I'm not into that.

[Fourth Internationalist]

Lol some people here didnt press the link haha :laugh:

[Red Banana]

Sorry, but by your logic we should all stop doing groceries, since it supports capitalism and the grocery store is, after all, a capitalist institution! Gasp!

Yawn.

This can only lead to primitivist or nihilist crap and I'm not into that.

That's not at all what I'm saying. If you want to go out and buy apple products go ahead, they're better than Microsoft. But withholding criticism of their practices because their products are nice makes absolutely no sense.

[Q]

That's not at all what I'm saying. If you want to go out and buy apple products go ahead, they're better than Microsoft. But withholding criticism of their practices because their products are nice makes absolutely no sense.

I'm not saying that. If Apple does a crap job at workers rights, for example, there is no reason to spare criticism. What I'm saying is that just spraying your vomit on one company, because it is Apple or whatever other symbol, is quite misleading politically.

[Red Banana]

I'm not saying that. If Apple does a crap job at workers rights, for example, there is no reason to spare criticism. What I'm saying is that just spraying your vomit on one company, because it is Apple or whatever other symbol, is quite misleading politically.

All of ones efforts shouldn't be focused on one company, of course, but I do have a lot of metaphorical vomit to spray. So while most of it will be going to more important problems, I can spare a little if it means someone will discover the injustices behind their iPod.

I understand fully your frustration with people who will zealously bash against apple because it's a hip liberal single issue distraction. But that zeal can be utilized as sort of a "gateway issue". Instead of pushing it away we should embrace it and say "if you think apple's bad, wait till you see the entire capitalist mode of production" (or something along those lines).

[barbelo]

I can't seriously believe OP never heard of stormfront.
Maybe he is trying to create a personal army, a trolling bait or something similar?

[barbelo]

Oh my god, sorry for retardness. I only clicked the link now, disregards my previous post.

[Ostrinski]

ITT: People not reading thread, proceeding straight to reply box.

I have to admit I like apple products, and I'm not really someone who can afford them very much. The frequency with which they release sequels is quite alarming and I just don't see how people afford to keep up. All in all though, in the way of tablets they can't be beat.

If they are indeed going to build some manufacturing plants in the States, then that is interesting. My guess is that they'll build a few factories for the purposes of saving face, improving their image, and distracting from their labor abuses in other parts of the world.

[GoddessCleoLover]

I own an iMac because it is easy to use.

[Ostrinski]

They are very expensive. :closedeyes:

[GoddessCleoLover]

They are very expensive. :closedeyes:

iMacs are overpriced but they are also very convenient for old dudes like myself who typed his college papers on a Smith-Corona.

[Ostrinski]

I have an ipad 2 and it is quite convenient I will say. I don't have to haul around a laptop at school and can carry out the basic functions of one.

[Althusser]

This thread is a giant apple circle jerk. Tell those Foxconn workers that not praising a giant corporation is wannabe leftist.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Makes perfect sense, actually. What do Nazis and Apple both have in common? They're both part of the Illuminati. Think about it.

[Ostrinski]

This thread is a giant apple circle jerk. Tell those Foxconn workers that not praising a giant corporation is wannabe leftist.Yeah you could have something of a point but our duty as communists is not to pick on certain companies that are easier targets like apple or McDonald's. In any instance where people are disgruntled with the abusive practices and misdeeds we have to be able to tie it to a broader characteristic of the system itself rather than a characteristic of a few token companies. The natural implication is moralistic sloganeering without a deeper analysis of why these things happen or why they're able to happen.

[GoddessCleoLover]

Apple, Microsoft, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, etcetera are all capitalist malefactors. I don't believe in lifestyle-ism, anyway. I bought an iMac because it was easy to use, not to endorse Apple's labor policies.

[Yuppie Grinder]

forreal^
ethical consumerism is pointless

[Art Vandelay]

I hope to save up for a mac of some sorts soon. The laptop I'm typing this on now is a piece of shit and is literally falling apart. For someone who plans on entering into journalism, I'll have to have a fairly good laptop. Plus no more viruses seems appealing.

[Makarov]

I hope to save up for a mac of some sorts soon. The laptop I'm typing this on now is a piece of shit and is literally falling apart. For someone who plans on entering into journalism, I'll have to have a fairly good laptop. Plus no more viruses seems appealing.

The no virus Mac thing is not entirely true. The reason why Apple started advertising that they had no viruses, was because people using Macs a few years ago was a minority, and the hackers who create malicious software want a "larger audience"; so if they are trying to fish money out of people there is more money to be made with the PC-virus market, rather than the Macs.

However, that has changed due to a few (recent) incidents, where peoples Macs have been infected with all sorts of viruses, so Apple could no longer use the "No virus, nothing to worry about" appeal. Although, Macintosh software gets considerably less malware than Windows, because of Apples extreme close-sourcenessless.

Hackers generally target Windows, as according to Linux users, Windows is evil and should be destroyed, as workers in Foxconn make their products. Whereas they don't attack Apple with the same velocity for some reason.

Also, I have no idea why I posted that :mellow:

[BOZG]

iMacs are overpriced but they are also very convenient for old dudes like myself who typed his college papers on a Smith-Corona.

I was debating about calling you old and wondering how you'd react but you went and solved that problem for me!



The no virus Mac thing is not entirely true. The reason why Apple started advertising that they had no viruses, was because people using Macs a few years ago was a minority, and the hackers who create malicious software want a "larger audience"; so if they are trying to fish money out of people there is more money to be made with the PC-virus market, rather than the Macs.

However, that has changed due to a few (recent) incidents, where peoples Macs have been infected with all sorts of viruses, so Apple could no longer use the "No virus, nothing to worry about" appeal. Although, Macintosh software gets considerably less malware than Windows, because of Apples extreme close-sourcenessless.

Hackers generally target Windows, as according to Linux users, Windows is evil and should be destroyed, as workers in Foxconn make their products. Whereas they don't attack Apple with the same velocity for some reason.

Also, I have no idea why I posted that :mellow:

A significant reason as to why Linux and Mac have been resistant to viruses is to do with their not creating users as default admins unlike Windows. Installing software generally requires admin access which isn't in itself a huge safeguard when it comes to home users with little or no knowledge, but that a password request would appear when you're not configuring or installing something should at least raise a red flag. Windows has of course tried to mimic this with their User Account Control (UAC) window but I find that it's much more invasive and much slower than the password requests on Mac or Linux machines. It's the first thing that I turn off as a result. And to be honest, I can't even remember if it asks for a password or if it just a warning?

The types of people who use these operating systems is also a factor, at least in the beginning. Macs user base is no longer really any different than Windows ie everyone so I would guess the consciousness around security has dropped drastically leaving Mac devices much more open to external abuse. I wouldn't say the same of Linux just yet because it remains a much more marginal OS though with Netbooks shipping with Ubuntu as standard, this is changing.

[Yazman]

MODERATOR ACTION:

Laugh it up all you like at this ridiculous link :lol::lol: I've moved the thread to Non-Political.

[Q]

However, that has changed due to a few (recent) incidents, where peoples Macs have been infected with all sorts of viruses, so Apple could no longer use the "No virus, nothing to worry about" appeal. Although, Macintosh software gets considerably less malware than Windows, because of Apples extreme close-sourcenessless.

As an Apple technical advisor, I can genuinely claim that I have never got a customer on the line that had a real virus installed on their Mac, nor do I know of any other colleagues having those cases. What I did get, at times, is paranoid people, Safari being stuck on some spam page and known software exploits (which were solved by a software update in short order, most around Java). But never a virus.

BOZG already explained why this doesn't happen. And I agree that this doesn't make Macs immune to all types of attacks, especially since your average user has a lower security awareness than (for example) Linux users. But, overall, the system is much more secure, by design because of its UNIX/BSD foundation.

[BOZG]

As an Apple technical advisor, I can genuinely claim that I have never got a customer on the line that had a real virus installed on their Mac, nor do I know of any other colleagues having those cases. What I did get, at times, is paranoid people, Safari being stuck on some spam page and known software exploits (which were solved by a software update in short order, most around Java). But never a virus.

BOZG already explained why this doesn't happen. And I agree that this doesn't make Macs immune to all types of attacks, especially since your average user has a lower security awareness than (for example) Linux users. But, overall, the system is much more secure, by design because of its UNIX/BSD foundation.

I just want to clarify that I hate Apple and I much prefer paperboy Q to Apple fan boy Q. I have no desire to pay more for inferior hardware even if MacOSX makes far better use of that hardware though that is to be expected when they have a much narrower range of hardware to provide support for.

[Q]

I just want to clarify that I hate Apple and I much prefer paperboy Q to Apple fan boy Q.

I'm not a fanboy just because I'm considering to buy an iMac ;)

And well, the paperrounds were hardly paying enough anyway. At least I have now something above a fulltime minimum wage (although not much).

[BOZG]

I'm not a fanboy just because I'm considering to buy an iMac ;)

And well, the paperrounds were hardly paying enough anyway. At least I have now something above a fulltime minimum wage (although not much).

You're become a Jobsite since you took that job! If I was into video production, Mac would be first choice. I'm not so I see no reason to buy one. I will admit to being a big fan of their tracking pads however. Really done an excellent job there.

Have they implemented a native method to increase desktop size text yet? Incredible that wasn't always a choice. We bought a 27" iMac about two years ago for paper production but ended up having to drop the resolution because we couldn't read any menu, icons etc.

[Q]

You're become a Jobsite since you took that job! If I was into video production, Mac would be first choice. I'm not so I see no reason to buy one. I will admit to being a big fan of their tracking pads however. Really done an excellent job there.
Jobsite :lol:


Have they implemented a native method to increase desktop size text yet? Incredible that wasn't always a choice. We bought a 27" iMac about two years ago for paper production but ended up having to drop the resolution because we couldn't read any menu, icons etc.
Besides zoom or lowering your resolution? No. You'd need to install 3rd party apps for that, like TinkerTool (http://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerTool.html):

http://www.bresink.com/osx/0TinkerTool/Images-en/5Fonts.png

But yes, this is sucky and really somewhat odd if you consider the long tradition Apple has in the graphics industry. I guess this flows from Apple's design philosophy (much like Gnome's incidentally), in that design has to be as simple as possible, even if that means sacrificing a feature or two.

The running joke at work is that Apple's "updates" lately (for example from OS X 10.6 to 10.7 to 10.8 or from iTunes 10 to 11) often means downgrades in reality as many features simply disappear (Rosetta, iTunes DJ...) and there often is not an easy way for people to go back (for example, you can't simply put back a copy of iTunes 10 from your backup, as the upgrade to 11 breaks some lowlevel libraries if you put 10 back).

Yay for open source really and if I do happen to buy a Mac, I'm probably going to make it a dual boot, with Gentoo as my other OS, with the hyper-flexible KDE :p

[BOZG]

Jobsite :lol:


Besides zoom or lowering your resolution? No. You'd need to install 3rd party apps for that, like TinkerTool (http://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerTool.html):

http://www.bresink.com/osx/0TinkerTool/Images-en/5Fonts.png

But yes, this is sucky and really somewhat odd if you consider the long tradition Apple has in the graphics industry. I guess this flows from Apple's design philosophy (much like Gnome's incidentally), in that design has to be as simple as possible, even if that means sacrificing a feature or two.

It's particularly odd because they could just bury it in settings.

[Sasha]

i (can) run windowsXP as a parallel system on my brand spanking new IMac :D


(i need it because at my school we work with IronCAD which isn't available for OSX so i have an valid excuse for my heresy)

[GPDP]

Windows 7 PC gaming master race reporting.

[Q]

i (can) run windowsXP as a parallel system on my brand spanking new IMac :D


(i need it because at my school we work with IronCAD which isn't available for OSX so i have an valid excuse for my heresy)

Do you run it in Parallels or via Boot Camp? I'm asking because Boot Camp in Lion or Mountain Lion no longer supports Windows XP or Vista, only Windows 7 and the 2012 series no longer support Windows 7 32-bit even, just 64-bit.

[Comrade #138672]

Don't dis Apple, that is just so wannabe-leftist. The products are of a high standard. I'm considering to buy one of these new iMacs next year myself actually.I don't like Apple and their churches either. Apple is for wannabe-hipsters.