Avanti

[hetz]

Why is Avanti banned?

[Sasha]

as explained in the admin actions, We communicated through pm asking them why they where posting in a disruptive way and wheter they where able and willing to change, they made it very clear they where here to troll so we banned them in line with the guidelines.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

A quote from the horse's mouth would be nice.

[maskerade]

I called this on the first day he posted. But oh well, it doesn't matter.

We are all avanti.

[The Douche]

I can quote the PM convo I had with them when I get home from work.

But honestly, any of you who want to make a fuss about the banning of an obvious troll who told stories about violently assaulting young women and who talked about how certain people "want to be gang raped" can go fuck yourselves.

Revleft is not 4chan for communists, and if that is a problem for anybody I will gladly ban your account for you. I'm over this bullshit.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I can quote the PM convo I had with them when I get home from work.

Thank you.


But honestly, any of you who want to make a fuss about the banning of an obvious troll who told stories about violently assaulting young women and who talked about how certain people "want to be gang raped" can go fuck yourselves.

Revleft is not 4chan for communists, and if that is a problem for anybody I will gladly ban your account for you. I'm over this bullshit.

It was said that they admitted to being a troll, it's not especially hard or time-consuming to copy-paste some text if that is what really happened (or to provide a link in the case of "people wanting to be raped" thing). I don't see how asking for a direct quote or link logically constitutes "treating Revleft like 4chan" or whatever.

I'm thinking a reason why the administration experiences friction with the rest of the membership, is because they are too quick to jump to hostile aggressiveness in the face of reasonable requests.

[The Douche]

I don't mind requests for evidence, I'm talking about shit like "we are all avanti", because we aren't.

And the only reason for the wait time is cause I'm on my phone at work.

[The Douche]

So I said this to them, in a post on the board:

Quote:
Avanti, your ideas often seem relevant to the discussion, and I get the impression that we may come from similar positions, but your writing style is in no way conducive to having a conversation on a message board, and I know I'm not the only one who feels that way.
They PMed me:

Quote:
kawaii!

yes, i agree. we do have much in common. the reason why i write in a stream of thoughts, is that it makes it easier for my fingers to follow my thought process as i'm thinking it, instead of reformulating the words.

i have also noticed that my writing style has a hypnotic effect, which means that people are getting addicted on me. and if they are getting addicted on me, i can influence them without them even noticing that i am changing their minds.

i hope we can talk.

kind regards
/avanti
The message is in a nice, easy to read format, and the justification for their writing style makes a fair amount of sense. I disregarded the second part as some tongue-in-cheek style kidding, and replied with this:

Quote:
I feel you, but as an admin I feel a responsibility to ensure that good discussion happens here, and I feel like your writing style allows people to just discard your posts as silliness instead of engaging with your ideas.
Their response:

Quote:
possibly they do. but the more they laugh, the more addicted they become.
Which makes me feel like I'm getting trolled, my response:

Quote:
I think you give your audience to much credit. Also, it has made it onto the radar of the admins and mods who are concerned by it.

I think its better to be unpopular and correct than to be a well liked enigma, who is mostly not taken seriously.
Their response:

Quote:
yes i know. i actually had a plan to just start nine threads in the beginning, then stop writing on the forums altogether. they make groups to mock/honor me, but have failed to understand my thought process. the important thing however, is not that they understand me, but that they incorporate aspects of my thought process in their own thought processes.

and i disagree.

it is always better to be an enigma. that way, people don't know what they're up against, the only thing they know is they do not know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UT9Y6coFT8 (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UT9Y6coFT8)
Yeah, I didn't know what to say to that.


Here is where they say that Maoist Third Worldists have the right analysis and where they say islamophobes want to be gang raped:
http://www.revleft.com/vb/maoism-third-worldism-t176809/index.html?t=176809

And where they talk about smashing a young girl's head with a baseball bat:
http://www.revleft.com/vb/jenny-and-me-t176919/index.html

[l'Enfermé]

It's a fucking disgrace that the BA allowed him to shit all over RevLeft for a whole month. 500 fucking posts.

[The Douche]

It's a fucking disgrace that the BA allowed him to shit all over RevLeft for a whole month. 500 fucking posts.

This, I feel, is a valid criticism.

[brigadista]

knew that avanti was a wind up

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

Never read the Jenny and me thread so didn't know how fuck up Avanti was becoming. She should have been banned just for that post, not because she was annoyingly obscure and drug crazed. Just hope her demise won't be the opening pages in the great Mayan purge of 2012.

[The Douche]

Never read the Jenny and me thread so didn't know how fuck up Avanti was becoming. She should have been banned just for that post, not because her posts her annoyingly obscure and drug crazed. Just hope her demise won't be the opening pages in the great Mayan purge of 2012.

Real talk, if another person registered and posted like that, or if other members started to, they would be getting infractions. That shit is spam.

There will not be, nor have there ever been "purges". We will continue to take administrative action against disruptive posters and rule breakers though. And (as we did in this case) we will always try to talk with disruptive users before taking action against them.

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

Real talk, if another person registered and posted like that, or if other members started to, they would be getting infractions. That shit is spam.

There will not be, nor have there ever been "purges". We will continue to take administrative action against disruptive posters and rule breakers though. And (as we did in this case) we will always try to talk with disruptive users before taking action against them.

Whining hordes of revleft exiles would beg to differ. But that was before my time, and this site seems nowhere near as despotic and dry as it was described. (But than again i came in just before the Avanti, so i may only have only experienced a lull period.)

[Rugged Collectivist]

I'll miss Avanti. I feel that his ban is justified, but I think he did have some insightful posts and I still don't think he was a troll.

The quoted conversation leads me to believe that he was a crazy guy trying to brainwash us. I had secretly suspected this all along.

R.I.P Avanti.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

It's a fucking disgrace that the BA allowed him to shit all over RevLeft for a whole month. 500 fucking posts.

At what point do you think Avanti should have been banned?

[The Douche]

I am close, politically, and to some degree, personally with a number of ex-members, every poster who was in a political organization I used to belong to got banned back in the day (except for me), these were not purges. Individuals get upset and act emotionally, and then they push buttons and break rules.

I'd suggest not turning this into something you're not familiar with.

[Rugged Collectivist]

I'd like to add that anyone who complained about Avanti's writing style in Avanti threads was the real spammer. You're probably the same people who call the HOA when your neighbors grass get's too long.

[GiantMonkeyMan]

I thought he was trolling/spam posting pretty much from the beginning, to be honest. Some people seemed to take his crap seriously though.

[Rugged Collectivist]

every poster who was in a political organization I used to belong to got banned back in the day (except for me)

I'm sorry, but how is banning almost every single member of a certain organization not a purge?

[Ele'ill]

At what point do you think Avanti should have been banned?

There was discussion about the disruptive posts dating back a bit.

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

I'll miss Avanti. I feel that his ban is justified, but I think he did have some insightful posts and I still don't think he was a troll.

The quoted conversation leads me to believe that he was a crazy guy trying to brainwash us. I had secretly suspected this all along.

R.I.P Avanti.

This is my fault. I opened the floodgates of madness with my first posts that according to many were "trollish" and "stupid". I improved
(somewhat) but by than it was too late.. too late... to halt the spread of the Avanti. A week into her arrival she sent me a pm that stated (amongst other terrible things) that she wanted the funny and irrelevant to conquer all and transform everyone into the avanti. Hoping to become her Stalin i innocently helped by creating comedy threads that were just serious enough to avoid the the mod's ire. I backed off when she started to go from amusingly memetic to visually disturbed. She wasn't trolling, she was sincerely attempting to corrupt our minds.

[maskerade]

I'll miss Avanti. I feel that his ban is justified, but I think he did have some insightful posts and I still don't think he was a troll.

The quoted conversation leads me to believe that he was a crazy guy trying to brainwash us. I had secretly suspected this all along.

R.I.P Avanti.

yuuup. my thoughts exactly. the jenny thread was really dark and messed up, and i didn't see the stuff about gang rape, which is obviously even more fucked up. i can see why those things contributed to the ban.

but i don't think it's fair to say that s/he should have been banned before that. just because s/he writes differently? it may have been annoying and it obviously rubbed some people the wrong way but that's an extremely stupid detail to get worked up about. s/he had valuable insights and was very entertaining, in stark contrast to many of the dull and grey posters on this forum.

obviously saying that means i should just go fuck myself and ask the BA to ban me. well, i disagree about that too

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

I'm sorry, but how is banning almost every single member of a certain organization not a purge?
Interpretation. They probably all went rabid trying save their comrades and thought that an online revolution against the revleft politburu would succeed. It didn't. (And due to the demonic nature of the imaginitarians, i'm glad it didn't:laugh:)

[The Douche]

I'd like to add that anyone who complained about Avanti's writing style in Avanti threads was the real spammer. You're probably the same people who call the HOA when your neighbors grass get's too long.

This is what I'm talking about. Revleft is (supposed to be) a place for intelligent conversations about communist politics, it is not 4chan for communists.


I'm sorry, but how is banning almost every single member of a certain organization not a purge?

Because they weren't banned because of membership in the organization or for certain positions, but for tripping, spamming, and/or revealing personal information. Actions, not ideas (excluding reactionary ones) are what get you banned here.

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

yuuup. my thoughts exactly. the jenny thread was really dark and messed up, and i didn't see the stuff about gang rape, which is obviously even more fucked up. i can see why those things contributed to his ban.

but i don't think it's fair to say that s/he should have been banned before that. just because s/he writes differently? it may have been annoying and it obviously rubbed some people the wrong way but that's an extremely stupid detail to get worked up about. s/he had valuable insights and was very entertaining, in stark contrast to many of the dull and grey posters on this forum.

obviously saying that means i should just go fuck myself and ask the BA to ban me. well, i disagree about that too

Avanti was poetic but wasn't really of a benefit to anyone besides as a warning against going feral. If you really understood what he was trying to push, you would have been screaming for his banishment as well. (He was my antithesis, and therefore at least partially worthy of my respect, which is why i tried to keep him out of hot water.)

[Rugged Collectivist]

This is what I'm talking about. Revleft is (supposed to be) a place for intelligent conversations about communist politics, it is not 4chan for communists.

I'm confused here. Are you saying that the quoted post was 4chanesque, that Avanti's writing style was 4chanesque, or that the responses to Avanti's writing style were 4chanesque?

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

This is what I'm talking about. Revleft is (supposed to be) a place for intelligent conversations about communist politics, it is not 4chan for communists.



Because they weren't banned because of membership in the organization or for certain positions, but for tripping, spamming, and/or revealing personal information. Actions, not ideas (excluding reactionary ones) are what get you banned here.

1. Personification and metaphors (no matter how lousy) shouldn't really be outlawed.

2. And entire groups being banned probably was due to the members throwing up a shitstorm over irrelevent bullshit instead of putting their heads down when they should have.

[maskerade]

Avanti was poetic but wasn't really of a benefit to anyone besides as a warning against going feral. If you really understood what he was trying to push, you would have been screaming for his banishment as well. (He was my antithesis, and therefore at least partially worthy of my respect, which is why i tried to keep him out of hot water.)

let's not be hyperbolic here. no one is going to brainwash anyone through a forum on the internet, especially not this one where disagreements are pretty much eternal. i don't see how s/he would have accomplished any sort of nefarious plan

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

I'm confused here. Are you saying that the quoted post was 4chanesque, that Avanti's writing style was 4chanesque, or that the responses to Avanti's writing style were 4chanesque?


The mods are pissed comrade, save this fight for another day.

[The Douche]

I'm confused here. Are you saying that the quoted post was 4chanesque, that Avanti's writing style was 4chanesque, or that the responses to Avanti's writing style were 4chanesque?

I'm saying that Avanti had no place on here because they brought the intellectual level of the board down. And I'm saying that anybody who wants to read a bunch of bullshit like that needs to find somewhere else to do it. If you want to fuck off and make jokes with communists on the internet we have chit chat or you can register at r--Marx.

It used to be that you could come here and learn about new ideas, see people of different schools have heated but well informed debates, and find out how to get active. Now you can read a bunch of one liners exchanged about whether trotsky or Stalin were bigger assholes. Fucking great...

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

let's not be hyperbolic here. no one is going to brainwash anyone through a forum on the internet, especially not this one where disagreements are pretty much eternal. i don't see how s/he would have accomplished any sort of nefarious plan

I don't normally through the e word around, but avanti's ideas were kind of evil. Worshiping violence and literally saying that a world wide gang system was preferable was insane.

Ex: In a thread about crime in a anarchistic society, she literally said that it should only be up to the assaulted party to organize their gangs for reprisal and the other group should have a free choice in whether or not to give into the others demands.

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

I'm saying that Avanti had no place on here because they brought the intellectual level of the board down. And I'm saying that anybody who wants to read a bunch of bullshit like that needs to find somewhere else to do it. If you want to fuck off and make jokes with communists on the internet we have chit chat or you can register at r--Marx.

It used to be that you could come here and learn about new ideas, see people of different schools have heated but well informed debates, and find out how to get active. Now you can read a bunch of one liners exchanged about whether trotsky or Stalin were bigger assholes. Fucking great...

Well you can't really enforce intelligence, can you? The answer to this is simple. Create a subforum where posters are allowed to discuss yet be allowed to go off the rails and keep those who are allergic to chuckles and verbal slaps in the rest.

[prolcon]

I felt that

Avanti's

style of writing

and sense

of

poetry

Fuck it. I'm really glad I don't have to put up with that anymore, not only the configuration of the words, but their content as well; I understand that poetic expression of ideas can appropriate oppressive language, but it got a little out of hand. Maybe Avanti will come back and write in straight up prose under a new name?

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

I felt that

Avanti's

style of writing

and sense

of

poetry

Fuck it. I'm really glad I don't have to put up with that anymore, not only the configuration of the words, but their content as well; I understand that poetic expression of ideas can appropriate oppressive language, but it got a little out of hand. Maybe Avanti will come back and write in straight up prose under a new name?

The spacing

distracted us all

from the words

Shit crumbs not fit

for the birds
fuck punctuation

[maskerade]

I don't normally through the e word around, but avanti's ideas were kind of evil. Worshiping violence and literally saying that a world wide gang system was preferable was insane.

Ex: In a thread about crime in a anarchistic society, she literally said that it should only be up to the assaulted party to organize their gangs for reprisal and the other group should have a free choice in whether or not to give into the others demands.

There are posters on this forum whose ideas would be much more 'evil' if implemented, though in the interest of avoiding a sectarian shit fest i'll avoid pointing fingers. Either way, what they have in common is that no one takes such ideas seriously. I hope, anyway.

[maskerade]

also did anyone notice how the number of words in each of his/her lines steadily decreased in correlation with the number of posts that s/he made? maybe if everyone hadn't made it into such a problem it wouldn't have been one.

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

There are posters on this forum whose ideas would be much more 'evil' if implemented, though in the interest of avoiding a sectarian shit fest i'll avoid pointing fingers. Either way, what they have in common is that no one takes such ideas seriously. I hope, anyway.

(cough) (cough) (stalinists)
But no. No matter how bad we perceive them to be, Stalinists believe in things that have historical importance and under the right circumstances can be lucidly advocated. Avanti was just preaching blood orgies and neo luddite fuck fests.

[The Douche]

Well you can't really enforce intelligence, can you? The answer to this is simple. Create a subforum where posters are allowed to discuss yet be allowed to go off the rails and keep those who are allergic to chuckles and verbal slaps in the rest.

Chit chat, mother fucker.

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

Chit chat, mother fucker.
1) That's not an intelligent way to state your opinion
2) If everyone used chit chat for every single thing that interested them, it would become bloated, unwieldy and the only thread in use besides the occasional post by Rafiq in learning or the debating thread that i've forgotten the name to.

[The Douche]

1) That's not an intelligent way to state your opinion
2) If everyone used chit chat for every single thing that interested them, it would become bloated, unwieldy and the only thread in use besides the occasional post by Rafiq in learning or the debating thread that i've forgotten the name to.

Then revleft should just be taken down. If people aren't here to discuss communist politics then this place doesn't need to exist.

[maskerade]

Chit chat, mother fucker.

i don't know if you meant this in a jovial manner or not, but you're coming off as really aggressive in this thread.

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

Then revleft should just be taken down. If people aren't here to discuss communist politics then this place doesn't need to exist.

Communists can have fun too comrade serious. If we're just to talk commie politics than the science, non political and chitchat threads (the threads that get the most traffic here) should just die. If you want to do that, just gives us a days notice so we can organize and jump ship en mass to a different site we all agree on.

PS: Please don't do that, you're taking this out of proportion.

[prolcon]

No matter how bad we perceive them to be, Stalinists believe in things that have historical importance and under the right circumstances can be lucidly advocated.

This is seriously the smartest thing I've ever read on RevLeft.

[The Douche]

i don't know if you meant this in a jovial manner or not, but you're coming off as really aggressive in this thread.

Because I have no more patience for this bullshit. And honestly, I don't think many people give a fuck anymore, and its very frustrating to be one of the only people who does.

Governments around the world are falling, capital is experiencing its biggest crisis in years, and this place, full of supposed communists, would rather play fuckfuck games than grapple with the political situation.

[Q]

There was once a user, Avanti
It was an obvious tro-oll, you don't see?
But admin's strong arm
Has dropped the alarm
And now we're again o-one troll-free!

Ya!

[l'Enfermé]

At what point do you think Avanti should have been banned?
He began rambling about techno-shamanism and urban sprawl gangs and smearing blood on your genitals and so on since his first days. He should have been banned after his first post.

[Le Socialiste]

Well, I'm glad s/he's gone.

As for everything else in this thread, folks just need to let it go.

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

He began rambling about techno-shamanism and urban sprawl gangs and smearing blood on your genitals and so on since his first days. He should have been banned after his first post.

Blood on the genitals is the only thing listed that should have gotten him kicked (everything else is an improbable path in history's march towards a classless society and beyond)

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

Come to think of it there was a short period in which Avanti was willing to tone himself down and drop the poety all together. We caused this by no pushing him to do it (but than again i literally said a day later this was just a ploy that mind fucked us into loving him so this event was probably inevitable.

[maskerade]

Because I have no more patience for this bullshit. And honestly, I don't think many people give a fuck anymore, and its very frustrating to be one of the only people who does.

Governments around the world are falling, capital is experiencing its biggest crisis in years, and this place, full of supposed communists, would rather play fuckfuck games than grapple with the political situation.

You not having any patience doesn't warrant needlessly aggressive remarks towards comrades who share your assessment of the current state of affairs. In fact, in my opinion, such an attitude is wholly counterproductive to engaging in constructive discussions.

This thread is in no way indicative of the rest of the discussions that take place on this forum. While I don't know what 'fuckfuck games' are, I can only assume that this thread is an example of such activities. Having said that, I don't think that this thread in any capacity poses a threat to the more intellectual and political discussions that take place in the other subforums.

I'd like to end with that quote about revolutions and dancing...it's eluded me for the time being, but once I remember it I'll get back to you.

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

Well, I'm glad s/he's gone.

As for everything else in this thread, folks just need to let it go.

I have no problem with him being banned, i have a problem with the changes his exile will bring. Getting rid of the avatar of chaos shouldn't mean getting rid of everything unexpected. Returning this site to being a place where only sporadic posters like you pop in once a week to post an essay and than not really discuss it is a waste of great potential.

[hatzel]

Not to turn this into a school playground situation, but I'm on Team Chris here. RevLeft's been kinda sucky lately, and it's mainly because on the one hand there's a bunch of idiot-posters who clearly aren't interested in having a worthwhile discussion about anything ever, and on the other hand there's a bunch of people who are (justifiably, I would argue) frustrated at the idiot-posters, so see no reason to even bother trying to have a worthwhile discussion...

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

Not to turn this into a school playground situation, but I'm on Team Chris here. RevLeft's been kinda sucky lately, and it's mainly because on the one hand there's a bunch of idiot-posters who clearly aren't interested in having a worthwhile discussion about anything ever, and on the other hand are a bunch of people who are (justifiably, I would argue) frustrated at the idiot-posters, so see no reason to even bother trying to have a worthwhile discussion...

Come on man, before Avanti this place was an intellectual graveyard. The only thing "serious" posters do is hand in essays and than plug their ears and shout "nanananana" when someone tries to have a debate. You notice what periods of the day this site is most active? When Avanti or people like me get creative and stir the pot.

[The Douche]

Not to turn this into a school playground situation, but I'm on Team Chris here. RevLeft's been kinda sucky lately, and it's mainly because on the one hand there's a bunch of idiot-posters who clearly aren't interested in having a worthwhile discussion about anything ever, and on the other hand there's a bunch of people who are (justifiably, I would argue) frustrated at the idiot-posters, so see no reason to even bother trying to have a worthwhile discussion...

I don't think I am exempt from blame in this situation either. I let shit slide and do fucked up shit on here as well. And I think you are 100% correct about the posters here, ones who give no fucks, and ones who no longer give a fuck.

[The Douche]

Come on man, before Avanti this place was an intellectual graveyard. The only thing "serious" posters do is hand in essays and than plug their ears and shout "nanananana" when someone tries to have a debate. You notice what periods of the day this site is most active? When Avanti or people like me get creative and stir the pot.

You joined the site last month, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

I don't think I am exempt from blame in this situation either. I let shit slide and do fucked up shit on here as well. And I think you are 100% correct about the posters here, ones who give no fucks, and ones who no longer give a fuck.

Notice how you proved my point by completely ignoring those who disagree with you?

[The Douche]

Notice how you proved my point by completely ignoring those who disagree with you?

Who have I ignored?

[maskerade]

Not to turn this into a school playground situation, but I'm on Team Chris here. RevLeft's been kinda sucky lately, and it's mainly because on the one hand there's a bunch of idiot-posters who clearly aren't interested in having a worthwhile discussion about anything ever, and on the other hand there's a bunch of people who are (justifiably, I would argue) frustrated at the idiot-posters, so see no reason to even bother trying to have a worthwhile discussion...

I agree with some of this. there is a tremendous amount of groupthink perpetrated by certain 'cliques', if you will, and in a lot of discussions the language that is used automatically dismisses things that don't fit into the informal structures this community has established. things become very repetitive very quickly, and keeping up with the esoteric debates about historical event X and historical figure Y is an arduous process that I feel detracts from the aim of engaging in an understanding of the contemporary political debates.

not all of it is bad though

[The Douche]

I agree with some of this. there is a tremendous amount of groupthink perpetrated by certain 'cliques', if you will, and in a lot of discussions the language that is used automatically dismisses things that don't fit into the informal structures this community has established. things become very repetitive very quickly, and keeping up with the esoteric debates about historical event X and historical figure Y is an arduous process that I feel detracts from the aim of engaging in an understanding of the contemporary political debates.

not all of it is bad though

This place was not always filled with historical debates centered around who could post the biggest wall of text from some dead bearded guy.

[hetz]

I'm saying that Avanti had no place on here because they brought the intellectual level of the board down
Well that's quite an accomplishment...

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

Who have I ignored?

Never mind. How about you posts some links to threads from revlefts golden era?

[The Douche]

Well that's quite an accomplishment...

I know. And yet it still calls for an argument in some people's minds...

[The Douche]

Never mind. How about you posts some links to threads from revlefts golden era?

How about you go fuck yourself.

[Comrade Samuel]

Oh dear, this thread appears to be quite a pit. I suggest we just close this one now before shit gets out of hand....again....for like the hundredths time.

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

How about you go fuck yourself.

Wow bro wouldn't that qualify for a verbal warning/infraction?

[The Douche]

Wow bro wouldn't that qualify for a verbal warning/infraction?

PM an admin about it. Doesn't bother me any.

[Zukunftsmusik]

Wow bro wouldn't that qualify for a verbal warning/infraction?

I think it would and should, but honestly you're acting quite annoying here. It seems like you say things and ask questions just for the sake of pushing things. You agree that Avanti should have been banned - then what more is there to say? I think people talking about "great purges" or whatever usually get completely out of hand, even though there might be a core of truth in what they say. But it gets absurd when you start complaining about it only because you've heard some people talk about "purges", you haven't experienced the things you're talking about, and you're not really qualified to judge the "intellectual level" of RevLeft if you're only been here a month.

EDIT: Take this from a user who once acted really lame about the banning of a user and the banning of certain words and group related to that user. I still think the bannings of the words and group was unnecessary, but I and others were blowing things up to larger proportions than it actually was. Today I don't really care anymore.

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

PM an admin about it. Doesn't bother me any.

But I don't have anything against you. I realize you're agitated and that you're blowing off steam. But you are a person of authority complaining of trollish and non productive posters who is simultaneously behaving in a juvenile and non productive manner when slightly criticized. It just doesn't seem right.

[Rugged Collectivist]

So... Who's going to take the helm of Avanti's group?

[Sasha]

O.p. answered, as no one seems to actually object, thread closed.