GoldenDawn office gets improved ventilation courtesy of some dynamite

[Sasha]

KGMwY_VGLkY

[Philosophos]

I love the way he says Golden DDDDDAAAAwn.... Kassidiaris should review some of the videos in which he was threating people and then state again whatever he wants to state for the bomb in their office.

Oh and I really like their renovation at their office... It's KABOUUUMski :D

[Art Vandelay]

Too bad it didn't take any of the fuckers out.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

Splendid! It's good to see our Greek comrades are still hanging in and fighting the good fight


Too bad it didn't take any of the fuckers out.

While I appreciate the fact that you aren't entirely literal, I don't feel like this sort of rhetoric is useful.

It's important to fight fascism on the streets, therefore we ought to avoid pacifism and make the obvious conclusion that we need to violently oppose the fascist wherever we find him. But there is a difference between street battles and what this sort of rhetoric is suggestion:

1) The reason why we ought combat the fascist directly is that his effectivity is based on his ability to conduct street work, not because of a specific hatred for his tendency. Likewise, while some casualties on both sides are inevitable, it's not because we should want to kill the street fascist but because we want to fight him and this will inevitably result in his death in some unfortunate cases.

2) The fascist's advantage over the left is that they are unhinged by ideological strife and elitism that is prevalent amougst the left that prevents the left from doing effective street work. Additionally the fascist is able to communicate issues that matter to the working class while we go on about issues that are foreign to their concerns. We should not treat working class fascists the same as the heads of their organizations because while these people are members of the labor aristocracy and therefore aren't the revolutionary class, they have the potential to be revolutionary and therefore we ought to not treat them as class enemies.

On one hand, we ought to acknowledge that the labor aristocracy is not a revolutionary class and therefore we should always choose standing side by side with the "hard core" proletariat (minorities, woman, urban poor, migrant workers, immigrants, and LGBT folks) even and expecually if it means alienating the white working class. However, while combating the fascist violently we also need to do street work of our own and we need to explain why fascism is negative, instead of everyone who opposes immigration racist. This is simply because while w one should one hand make no attempts to "convert" the fascist, we should also try to remember that there is a large element of honest hard working people who are vulnerable to the influence of fascism unless we combat it intellectually.

So in short, I agree with you that we need violence. But I think that we all need to remember that this violence is not intended to kill the common fascist but merely to reduce his effectivity and to demonstrate that here is an opposition in the community to his politics. So inflammatory rhetoric of this kind doesn't really help out our cause. Sorry if this seems to be obtuse and redundant, it's just we need to remember the importance of language and communication.

[Paul Pott]

Fascist parties are typically full of power struggles and the like. You probably won't see it until a contradiction within Golden Dawn is resolved and leadership changes or there is some kind of purge.

But I haven't seen any proof that Golden Dawn has connected with the working class more than other parties. But it has connected. One reason it finds appeal among working class Greeks is that it puts issues and insecurities that are fed by media and petty-bourgeois folk wisdom front and center, like the supposed threats posed by immigrants to Greeks and Greece. These problems are often presented in an overtly proletarian way, as a struggle of the Greek and European liberal elite against the Greek people, using immigrants as tools or even simply allowing immigrants (who lack morality and civilization, according to rightists) to break down Greek communities and destroy the livelihoods of Greeks. For a typical Greek working class person, who lacks consciousness, organization, and is rightfully frustrated at the whole Greek political spectrum, what Golden Dawn is saying might make perfect sense. These attitudes and prejudices against immigrants or other races are things that run deep under the surface of bourgeois Greek society, but that mainstream bourgeois parties won't touch in the current atmosphere of liberalism and European cosmopolitanism. Leftist parties, like the KKE, often fail to distinguish themselves from Social Democratic parties like SYRIZA and are simply taken as another wing of the "mainstream" by some workers, who, mislead by nazi propaganda, take out their frustration against capital's order by supporting Golden Dawn, which is seen as something novel, honest, and radical, and which genuinely attacks liberalism, capital's main ideology.

There's really nothing new here we haven't seen before. The NSDAP exploited the same dynamic against Jews.

Fascism thrives where Social Democracy thrives. Both are fool's socialism.