The Martial Arts

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

I thought it'd be cool to get a martial arts/MMA thread going, to discuss our own stories, technique, opinions, self-defence methods and so on.

I'm a Judo novice of a few months atm, it's something i'm seriously interested in though, for the competitive/discipline element and also it's quite useful for self-defence. When I become proficient say in 1, 2 or 3 years i'd like to look to MMA, Aikido, Karate or something similar to develop my martial arts ability.

I'd like to ask a q too, this feels like the right place: can someone explain the concept of Black Rose MA to me? I've not really found anywhere online that explains the idea behind it, or what exactly it is.

[Savant]

Surprised no one has commented yet lol.

Anyway, I've been into martial arts/MMA for about 7 years now (that was around the time I discovered MMA & became interested in combat sports). I wrestled a year in HS & I did BJJ for about 8 months.

I definitely desire to train in a martial art & eventually compete in MMA at least at the amateur level. Currently though, I'm just focused on beginning my career & school so I don't have the time, nor money, to participate in MAs.

I unfortunately haven't heard of "Black Rose MA" before so I can't comment on it. Nevertheless, I'm a huge fan of MMA & I've recently became interested in boxing & kickboxing as well (most combat sports essentially) and I look forward to discussing both martial arts & combat sports with anyone else that's interested in the subject on this board.

[Ele'ill]

I've trained boxing, muay thai, and brazilian jiu jitsu.

[Landsharks eat metal]

I've been doing taekwondo for about 3 years now. I'm probably going to test for my first degree black belt next month even though I feel like I'm in no way good enough to be a black belt. I don't actually like doing taekwondo too much, but I like martial arts overall, so I would really like to try boxing or muay thai or whatever I'll find more interesting. I don't know, and I'll probably wait until I move out.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

I've trained boxing, muay thai, and brazilian jiu jitsu.

Which would you say is the most useful?

I've often heard it said that Boxing is incredibly applicable to real-life situations, but JJ not so much.

I've wondered actually, is there a reason people train JJ over Judo? I was under the impression that the latter was a superior MA?

[Ele'ill]

Which would you say is the most useful?

I've often heard it said that Boxing is incredibly applicable to real-life situations, but JJ not so much.

I've wondered actually, is there a reason people train JJ over Judo? I was under the impression that the latter was a superior MA?

I don't think there's any one MA that's gonna be 'the best' for everyone in every situation they may encounter. JJ is heavily oriented around ground combat via submissions/holds which is useful because if you end up on the ground (assuming you're talking about non competition fights) and your opponent is bigger than you you'll still have a fighting chance to submit them even from your back (or at least get them off of you so that you can get up and run) instead of laying there getting hit over and over again and wrestling offers this too. Muay Thai and w. boxing probably offer similar defense skills applicable to real life situations. So honestly a well rounded fighter is going to be a lot better than someone who has just trained boxing but this is kind of common sense.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Judo's pretty strong on that too, no? Every MMA fight i've seen, the Judoka (against kickboxers, JJ, Boxers etc.) always stops the fight after a couple of minutes after getting their opponent on the ground. Kinda easily, too.

But yeah you're right, somebody who can combine a grappling MA like JJ or Judo with something like Muay Thai, Boxing or Kickboxing must be in a pretty strong, well-rounded situation, right?

[Savant]

Judo's pretty strong on that too, no? Every MMA fight i've seen, the Judoka (against kickboxers, JJ, Boxers etc.) always stops the fight after a couple of minutes after getting their opponent on the ground. Kinda easily, too.

But yeah you're right, somebody who can combine a grappling MA like JJ or Judo with something like Muay Thai, Boxing or Kickboxing must be in a pretty strong, well-rounded situation, right?

The only Judoka's I know of that are/were successful in MMA are/were Karo Parisyan , Fedor Emelianenko and Rhonda Rousey.

Anyway, yes the more well-rounded a Martial Artists is, the better they can protect themselves on the street as well as possibly be successful in MMA.

Have you by any chance heard of Combat Sambo? It's a Russian MA that's pretty much a combination of Judo & various russian wrestling styles from what I've researched. In combat sambo competition, it's pretty much MMA except both competitors wear headgear, shoes and a jacket (called a kurtka if I'm not mistaken). It's a very effective MA for MMA & self-defense purposes. Hell it is Fedor's main discipline & he's the GOAT of MMA.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

The only Judoka's I know of that are/were successful in MMA are/were Karo Parisyan , Fedor Emelianenko and Rhonda Rousey.

Anyway, yes the more well-rounded a Martial Artists is, the better they can protect themselves on the street as well as possibly be successful in MMA.

Have you by any chance heard of Combat Sambo? It's a Russian MA that's pretty much a combination of Judo & various russian wrestling styles from what I've researched. In combat sambo competition, it's pretty much MMA except both competitors wear headgear, shoes and a jacket (called a kurtka if I'm not mistaken). It's a very effective MA for MMA & self-defense purposes. Hell it is Fedor's main discipline & he's the GOAT of MMA.

Yep, isn't combat sambo something that originated from a couple of guys in the red army in the USSR.

I'd like to get into MMA more at some point, possibly a year or two more of Judo to get my general MA skills up, then I can venture into MMA.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I've practiced wushu or 'kung fu' for years, with particular interest in ying zhao ping, among others. I've studied other MA styles too on my own.

[Vanguard1917]

I did karate as a nipper. Lots of prancing about in a morning gown. Great fun when you're 8 or 9.

[CallmeKoba]

Throwing anyone on the pavement will end any fight.

It's best to get a taste of every martial art possible. My first year taking martial arts classes, I took stand up and BJJ. I would recommend anyone interested in martial arts to do the same also. BJJ is great sport, but I see very little value in a street fight.

[Lord Daedra]

I've heard that Jeet kun Do mixed with the Advanced Krav Maga Nut Crusher technique is the ultimate fighting style.

[Ele'ill]

BJJ is great sport, but I see very little value in a street fight.


when the other person is a lot bigger than you I think it's wiser to take them to the ground and choke the air from them (or hit them) than try to navigate their reach advantage

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

took my first grading last week for judo :)

[RedHal]

any MA that keeps things simple and basic is good. Improving your striking abilities, leverage/takedowns and grappling on the ground is what matters. Martial arts that focus on fancy inefficient techniques and mystic bullshit are suspect to say the least.

Muay Thai/Kickboxing for striking, wrestling/judo for leverage and takedowns and BJJ for gappling and submissions are the usual combo for a well rounded MMA competition fighter.

For a street fight where anything goes, your best bet is to focus on striking ability. You want to end it as quick as possible because you don't know wtf is coming at you next. Taking it to the ground in a street fight is asking for disaster, you don't know if one of his buddies is gonna soccer kick your head off.

BJJ in a street fight is a joke, even in a 1on1 situation, your opponent on top of you will bite, eye gouge or knee you in the nutsack lol. BJJ is only effective in competition with rules, I remember early in MMA, where there were no time limits, BJJ fighters would hug their opponent on the ground for an hour lmao!

[Ele'ill]

BJJ in a street fight is a joke, even in a 1on1 situation, your opponent on top of you will bite, eye gouge or knee you in the nutsack lol.

You can avoid getting punched, head butted, eye gouged, bitten, and kneed by having a general know-how of positioning and, you know, getting on top of them and staying on top of them, even if they are heavier than you, and punching, head butting, eye gouging, biting or kneeing them or any of the other submissions or holds.


BJJ is only effective in competition with rules,:rolleyes: imagine instead of 'sportsmanship' and a ref to jump in you have incentive to continue your choke or submission for as long as you want





I remember early in MMA, where there were no time limits, BJJ fighters would hug their opponent on the ground for an hour lmao!They'd also win by submission. The fighters on top couldn't do much damage, or did but still got choked and saved by the rules and the ref.

[Ele'ill]

For a street fight where anything goes, your best bet is to focus on striking ability. You want to end it as quick as possible because you don't know wtf is coming at you next. Taking it to the ground in a street fight is asking for disaster, you don't know if one of his buddies is gonna soccer kick your head off.

Yes clearly you never know what is coming at you next, a knife, friends jumping in, with knives, etc.. so the best option is to not get into the situation to begin with because regardless of your striking or grappling prowess things can go wrong and honestly even when it's 2-1, if their heart is in it and if they are generally capable people, you are outmatched.

[pastradamus]

Yes clearly you never know what is coming at you next, a knife, friends jumping in, with knives, etc.. so the best option is to not get into the situation to begin with because regardless of your striking or grappling prowess things can go wrong and honestly even when it's 2-1, if their heart is in it and if they are generally capable people, you are outmatched.

Well its all relative. It depends on what you need to do at the time. Generally taking to the ground in a street fight is a bad idea but being a successful fighter means you need to be intelligent and choose the right option at the right time. This can entail going to the ground so long as you know your back is covered and that you can manage.

Personally as a Boxer/Muay thai person I find these techniques the best for fending off multiple enemies and effectively.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Presumably even a BJJ fighter wouldn't go to the ground in a street fight. It's probably the dumbest thing to do if you don't know what's around.

But hopefully most people practice Martial Arts for reasons other than to be hard on the streets...

[Ele'ill]

Presumably even a BJJ fighter wouldn't go to the ground in a street fight. It's probably the dumbest thing to do if you don't know what's around.

But hopefully most people practice Martial Arts for reasons other than to be hard on the streets...

I don't understand this though, a lot of serious fights end up on the ground rolling around I'd rather not just aimless roll around getting punched I'd rather be able to defend myself on the ground as well. If the person was bigger than me and had stand up experience, more than me, I might consider taking down and getting on top. Def. consider getting them off from on top of me. Just useful skills to have.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

competition fights, yeah.

but irl I dunno, there are two realistic situations:

1. you're getting attacked by the town drunk, in which case there shouldn't be a need to take him to the ground unless he's obviously alone and you can just hold him down and kick him a bit after takedown.

2. you're started on by someone who isn't the town drunk, i.e. someone who is out with other people, and has/have some general skills even if they're not MA-trained. In which case, i'd be very hesitant to go down to the ground unless I was absolutely sure what was around me, and that I wasn't gonna get started on by others.

but yeah it's obvs a useful skill, if you get taken down, to know escapes. That's as far as i'd go. I guess it depends what you've trained in/your own risk profile!

[Ele'ill]

competition fights, yeah.

but irl I dunno, there are two realistic situations:

1. you're getting attacked by the town drunk, in which case there shouldn't be a need to take him to the ground unless he's obviously alone and you can just hold him down and kick him a bit after takedown.

2. you're started on by someone who isn't the town drunk, i.e. someone who is out with other people, and has/have some general skills even if they're not MA-trained. In which case, i'd be very hesitant to go down to the ground unless I was absolutely sure what was around me, and that I wasn't gonna get started on by others.

but yeah it's obvs a useful skill, if you get taken down, to know escapes. That's as far as i'd go. I guess it depends what you've trained in/your own risk profile!

I would be pretty hesitant to fight at all if there was multiple people I would probably attempt to walk away because even standing up you're outmatched.

[black magick hustla]

i started doing koryu uchinadi, which is pretty new and was invented by some australian dork that loves the historical aspect of karate. it's pretty much a modern mma system with karate rituals though. there are throws, ground work, striking, wrist/arm locks, etc. it was invented with a "self defense in the street" outlook. it's probably not as good of a work out as bjj, or judo cuz' its not competitive but it's fun and seems useful against average untrained asshole.

this is a pretty good video on it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umnxlmuQw9s

[p0is0n]

I hear Krav Maga is cool. Anyone have any experience?

[Quail]

took my first grading last week for judo :)
I need to grade to upgrade from a junior grade. I looked at my old Judo license and I got my green belt when I was 14. I stopped doing it from ages 18-21, but I've been back at it since last summer and I want to have a go at fighting in a competition.

I only really do it because it's fun and good exercise. I never really thought about doing it for self defence. For me, the best self defence would probably be to run the fuck away, but if I guess it might come in useful in a few situations. If someone tried to pin me down I'd probably be able to get strangle them or lock their arm.

At the moment I want to work on using more hip throws, because they seem to work pretty well for me. When I throw people in randori it tends to be the same couple of counters and I think I should try to get some of my own attacks in instead of hoping to catch people off balance. I just need to put myself out more and gain some confidence really.

[Zukunftsmusik]

anyone here who does any western martial arts, like sword fighting? historical correct sword fighting, that is, not the olympic fencing thing. I do some viking/middle age fighting with some friends, but it's more in the reenactment camp as there are rules on where to hit etc, but I've heard there is a rise in middle age/renaissance european sword fighting groups.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

I need to grade to upgrade from a junior grade. I looked at my old Judo license and I got my green belt when I was 14. I stopped doing it from ages 18-21, but I've been back at it since last summer and I want to have a go at fighting in a competition.

I only really do it because it's fun and good exercise. I never really thought about doing it for self defence. For me, the best self defence would probably be to run the fuck away, but if I guess it might come in useful in a few situations. If someone tried to pin me down I'd probably be able to get strangle them or lock their arm.

At the moment I want to work on using more hip throws, because they seem to work pretty well for me. When I throw people in randori it tends to be the same couple of counters and I think I should try to get some of my own attacks in instead of hoping to catch people off balance. I just need to put myself out more and gain some confidence really.

did you grade with bja or bjc? I know bja have changed their grading structure in the past few years so you might wanna check if you can grade to a green belt/blue belt straight away.

Balance breaking is key, though. If you've got good kuzushi then you can focus on learning and perfecting a load of throwing techniques, but if you can't balance break then you'll never be able to throw any sort of seoi nage throw at all, and any hip throw/sweep will be pretty difficult to execute, even if you're down with the mechanics of the throw.

I like the competitive element of MA. Got my first competition coming up next Saturday, should be fun :)

[Quail]

I graded with BJA, and yeah I will be able to just upgrade to an adult version of my belt. In the old grading system I would have just had to go to an adult grading and win a fight against someone of the appropriate grade, but now it's all theory. I spoke to my coach about it and hopefully they'll be able to take me aside at some point soon and do the grading then, instead of having to wait for enough other people to want to grade to book somewhere for a grading.

I know I need to break balance, and I do that, but since coming back to Judo I've had a confidence thing where I'll go for a throw and then just stop and not really commit to it. I don't know why, it's frustrating. Think I just need to get more practice, but it's hard because there aren't really that many people my size. I'm 1.65m tall and just under 52kg, and I think the other women are at least 60kg, and the men are all at least 70kg. The weight differences don't matter too much (within reason) in that Judo is about using your partner's momentum against them, but it would still be nice to fight someone who isn't 10-20+ kilos heavier than me.

[Yazman]

I have a fairly broad martial arts history. I spent a few years studying shaolin kempo kung fu, a few years following that studying uechi ryu karate (had a great, great instructor for that - but he moved away, a real shame). I did some boxing with a local guy who eventually turned pro (pretty cool) for about a year or so.

Most recently, although it's not strictly a martial art as it doesn't really involve combat, I did parkour for about six years up until last year or so. I was an instructor for about 4-5 years of that time, as well as having run a local clan which I used to also try and get a bit of revolutionary leftist thought into all the guys who would come through. It worked quite well since the philosophy of parkour is naturally all about freedom of movement, so it was never hard to parley that into the emancipation of the working class (as silly as that might sound at first).

Right now I'm not training, but I've been thinking about going back and checking out some local schools. Oh, I also forgot to mention that I know a substantial amount of Escrima, the filipino art. Especially the weapon styles with fighting sticks.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Had my first judo comp over the weekend, an official one that drew in a fair few decent teams. I won 2 out of 3 fights, in the medals. Woo :)

[Quail]

I feel pretty happy with myself. Have finally got hiza gatame (arm lock) to work for me so have been using it every time I do groundwork lol

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Think i've sprained my knee in the process, though.

To go to the doctors or not?