Revolution not reform

[whichfinder]

Event organised by the SPGB

Date: Saturday, 8 December 2012 - 2:00pm

Venue: Ukrainian Centre, 48 Beckett Road, Doncaster DN2 4AD

Speaker: Paul Bennett

The Socialist Party stands for a moneyless classless world community; we do not advocate reforms of capitalism. At this meeting we will argue that a revolutionary change to a new social system is urgently needed and look at why Labour and the left in general do not offer a solution for workers.

Free entry

Audience participation

For further information please contact John Wheeler:-
01302 367302 or 07875 632909

http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/event/public-meeting-doncaster-noon

[Yuppie Grinder]

I always find it concerning how so many socialist organizations leave out the "stateless" bit from moneyless and classless.

[Blake's Baby]

Honestly Pez, you don't need to worry about the SPGB. 'world community' in their blurb here means 'stateless', not 'the UN'.

Really, do you not know this?

[Green Girl]

Event organised by the SPGB

Date: Saturday, 8 December 2012 - 2:00pm

Venue: Ukrainian Centre, 48 Beckett Road, Doncaster DN2 4AD

Speaker: Paul Bennett

The Socialist Party stands for a moneyless classless world community; we do not advocate reforms of capitalism. At this meeting we will argue that a revolutionary change to a new social system is urgently needed and look at why Labour and the left in general do not offer a solution for workers.

Free entry

Audience participation

That is great the Socialists in Great Britain are way ahead of most of the Socialist parties and the Communist Party in the United States most of which are trying to reform capitalism to communism slowly from within.

The Socialist Party USA ran Stewart Alexander for President.

The Communist Party USA actually endorsed Obama, the current President of the USA and a democrat.

[Blake's Baby]

I think the SPGB's US sister party is the WSPUS - the World Socialist Party of the United States - and their website is here: http://wspus.org/

To the SPGB comrades: does anyone know why there doesn't seem to be a link to the WSM website, or to the companion parties' sites, from the SPGB site?

[Green Girl]

I think the SPGB's US sister party is the WSPUS - the World Socialist Party of the United States


Thanks I bookmarked it. :)

[Blake's Baby]

I see from your intro thread you used to be in the SLP(US) - the SPGB and WSPUS might appeal then as they have a certain shared history. The SPGB was formed in 1904 in Britain, one of two 'Impossiblist' parties (the other being the SLP in the UK, formed in 1903 I think) that came out of the SDF (Social-Democratic Federation) in reaction to its reformism. The SLP in the UK quickly allied itself with the SLP in the US, but around 1920 some of the UK SLP went into the newly-formed Communist Party. The remainder of the SLP stayed out, as did the SPGB. The UK SLP folded in the early 1980s. I understand that the SLP in the US is in some sort of technical limbo - still officially existing but completely inactive is what I heard.

There is a newly-formed (1996) SLP in the UK but it isn't the same organisation at all - not DeLeonists, they're really more like Stalinists.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Honestly Pez, you don't need to worry about the SPGB. 'world community' in their blurb here means 'stateless', not 'the UN'.

Really, do you not know this?

Nope. Not very familiar with the many different socialist parties in Britain and what differentiates them, other than CPGB and CPGB-ML.

[Blake's Baby]

OK - they're Impossiblists, left the SDF in 1904, didn't affiliate to the 2nd International (because of the latter's 'reformism', and also because the SDF controlled the rights to the British delegations' accreditation) and have consistently stood for free-access communism. They were the first organisation to criticise 'state capitalism' in English (in about 1908), and supported 'Nikolai Lenin's' policy of pulling Russia out of WWI.

However, they have what I consider to be very strange ideas about parliament and democracy.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Well if they're Impossiblists wouldn't they probably be opposed to parliamentarianism? If that's not the case, strange indeed.

[Blake's Baby]

Not the case. Not reformists, but they believe in a sort of revolutionary parliamentarism.

[Ostrinski]

Both DeLeonists and other types of impossibilists such as SPGB reject reform but believe in an electoral strategy.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

I always find it concerning how so many socialist organizations leave out the "stateless" bit from moneyless and classless.
I don't. You can't have a state in a classless society and vice versa: If there is only one class, there are subsequently no classes, and as a result, no state to dominate the now nonexisting lower classes.

I find it concerning how people try and aggravate against things which aren't there.

[Yuppie Grinder]

I think people sometimes leave out the stateless bit simply because it's the hardest part to sell to most people. Not everyone who reads this will no classlessness implies statelessness. I also think we should be plain, up front, and unashamed about what our aims are.

[The Idler]

Yep "world community" is wishy-washy. We should use the term "stateless".