you may know some of these

[Intifada]

please take a look

30 little known facts about israel (http://www.iap.org/littleknownfacts.htm)

[FistFullOfSteel]

15. Did you know that on May 20, 1990, a group of unarmed Palestinian laborers were lined up and murdered by an Israeli solider as they sat waiting for transportation back to Gaza? The terrified laborers who gathered in an area of southern Israel known as Rishon Lezion (known to Palestinians by its Arabic name Oyon Qara) handed their ID cards to the Israeli soldier. The soldiers ordered the distressed laborers to kneel down and face the ground and unexpectedly showered them with a barrage of bullets, killing seven and wounding many others. Needless to say, the soldier was not.

this make me so mad

[el_profe]

Just to show you how crazy most muslims ae, they all hate the jewish, and I cant believe anyone defends them when they send an 18 year old girl to commit a suicide bombing. That is fucked up. How about all the people that have been killed by their terrorist attack. I would of liked to see 30 facts about how many jews/israelis have been killed by muslim terrorist attacks.

As to the golan hights territory, Israel was attacked they pushed back the attack and then got some land and gave most of it back.

As to the Israel soldier, that is one soldier, and it didnt say what happen to him so what if he was sent to jail.
Now I know why so many of you like stalin, he also hated jews just like most of you.

[Misodoctakleidist]

el_profe, nobody here hates jews. Most of us hate the country of Isreal, there's a difference. You however hate muslims;


Just to show you how crazy most muslims ae, they all hate the jewish

You are saying that ALL muslims are "crazy" and that the all hates the jewish, to define a peron in this way based on the ethnic or religious group they belong to is prejudice. You're a racist and you acuse us of hateing jews.

How can you possibly defend isreal?


As to the golan hights territory, Israel was attacked they pushed back the attack and then got some land and gave most of it back.
Yet again you display you're ignorance of history, they invaded Egypt, Syria and Jordan then, under pressure from the UN agreed to give most of the land back but refused to give back Jerusalem which the UN agreed to becuase they didn't want a war with Isreal.

I challenge you to name one muslim terrorist attack, one that was unprovoked and motivated by religion.

[Intifada]

you are not a muslim you asshole and you probably dont no one, so i suggest you shut the fuck up.

i dont like the suicide bombings, but i can understand why they do it. they are desperate.

in the latest intifada, around 800 israelis have been killed, and nearly 3000 palestinians have been killed.

you say that only the muslims do suicide bombings, YOU ARE WRONG. one of the first suicide bombers of palestine was christian. this has nothing to do with religion.

another israeli soldier shot and killed an elderly palestinian woman making her way to a hospital not long ago.

and by the way not all of us like stalin.

[Intifada]

the israelis use roadblocks and checkpoints to humiliate and crush the palestinians ability to make a proper living. a christian palestinian woman came to my city recently. she told us about her embroidary business which helps support palestinian familes. she has to travel for 3 hours to transport her goods because of checkpoints and roadblocks. normally it would take half an hour. of the £21 pounds i gave to her for a product, she gets £1, the rest being charity for less fortunate families.

another woman whom i spoke to (a palestinian doctor) told me of how she had to give birth to a palestinian baby at a checkpoint because the soldiers wouldnt let her past.

[Urban Rubble]

El_profe.

I, and many others, know all about the attrocities committed by the Palestenians against Jews, I am not justifying them. The reason we talk about Israel's more than the Palestenians is because people seem to think that Israel is innocent, not to mention they are being backed by the most powerful nation on earth.

Both sides have done some fucked up things, I just happen to believe that the Palestenians are being oppressed, far more than the Jews.

You're a racist moron and you need to look at both sides.

[synthesis]

Now I know why so many of you like stalin, he also hated jews just like most of you.

I think you should learn the valuable art of not speaking on topics which you have no knowledge about.

"Anti-Semitism is dangerous for the toilers, for it is a false track which diverts them from the proper road and leads them into the jungle. Hence, Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable and bitter enemies of anti-Semitism. In the U.S.S.R., anti-Semitism is strictly prosecuted as a phenomenon hostile to the Soviet system. According to the laws of the U.S.S.R. active anti-Semites are punished with death."
-Joseph Stalin, addressing the Jewish Telegraphic Agency of America, 1931

[el_profe]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 27 2003, 09:32 PM
El_profe.

I, and many others, know all about the attrocities committed by the Palestenians against Jews, I am not justifying them. The reason we talk about Israel's more than the Palestenians is because people seem to think that Israel is innocent, not to mention they are being backed by the most powerful nation on earth.

Both sides have done some fucked up things, I just happen to believe that the Palestenians are being oppressed, far more than the Jews.

You're a racist moron and you need to look at both sides.
I never denied any of the bad thing they had done, i think i said they should of put 30 things the palestinians have done to even it out.

[Loknar]

1. Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel? A Jew from any country in the world is guaranteed citizenship in Israel, while the Palestinians who have been there for centuries are oppressed and persecuted.


Big deal. They want to keep it Jewish. The so called 'Palestinians' are ARABS. The ARABS conquered this land. How come it is ok for them to conquer but when the Jews do it it's a big crime?


2.Did you know that instead of sewing an insignia on clothing to distinguish race (like the Germans did to the Jews before WW2), Palestinian license plates in Israel are color coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews?


I don’t know what to say about this, other than I don’t care.


3. Did you know that East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights are all considered by the entire world community, including the United States and the United Nations, to be occupied territory and NOT part of the State of Israel?

Israel has withdrawn from most of the Golan Heights. And yes it's occupied; big deal. If the Arab states weren’t so intent on destroying Israel this wouldn’t be the case.


4. Did you know that Israel allots 85% of the water resources for Jews, and the remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinians in the territories? For example in Hebron, 85% of the water is set aside for about 400 Jewish settlers, while the remaining 15% is distributed among Hebron's 120, 000 Palestinians?

Um, tell the environmental wackos.


5.Did you know that the United States awards Israel $5 billion in aid each year from American tax dollars?

Yes., in fact it should be doubled.


6.Did you know that US aid to Israel ($1.8 billion annually in military aid alone) exceeds the aid the US grants to the entire African continent? This aid is used both to buy American weaponry and to buy arms made in Israel.

Good, It's a good thing that the money is going to a better cause. Africa is in famine because they create it for them selves. Most famine on this planet is man made. Talk to your precious UN. I for one would hate to see the money wasted by warlords.


7. Did you know that Israel is awaiting an additional $4 billion worth of American military hardware, including new F-16s and Apache and Blackhawk helicopters. As Israel's main ally and supporter internationally, the United States is committed to maintaining the Jewish state's "qualitative edge" in weapons over its neighbors.

Good, I am happy to see our hardware go to them.


8. Did you know that the U.S. administration has notified Congress on numerous occasions that Israel has violated the rules on how US-supplied weapons are used? (In 1978, 1979 and 1982 during fighting in Lebanon, and once after Israel's bombing of an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981.)

Fine with me. Destroying that reactor was a good thing. In fact we knew they were going to do it.


9. Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites?

And who gave em nukes? THE FRENCH. Tell the UN to get on their ass for it.


10. Did you know that high-ranking military officers in the Israeli Defense Forces have admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war have been summarily executed by the Israeli forces?

That depends on who was captured. If they were non uniformed militia then they are in their rights to do this.


11. Did you know that Israel blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a US warship in international waters (the USS Liberty), killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors and the US did nothing about it? (Imagine if an Islamic country like Iraq did this!)


Ok this is being presented as absolute fact when in fact it is not.


12. Did you know that Israel stands in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council Resolutions?

So? This just shows how useless the UN is.


13. Did you know that Israel is explicitly dedicated to the policy of maintaining a distinct Jewish character?

SO what? There aren’t many Jews around and for 2,000 years they have been killed and deported from their homes. What is so bad about preserving your culture?


14. Did you know that Israel's current Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, was found by an Israeli court to be "personally and directly responsible" for the Sabra and Shatilla massacre in Lebanon where more than a thousand innocent Palestinian men, women, and children were axed to death or lined up and shot in cold blood?

Interesting case. Lets be clear though, those people were murdered by a Christian Lebanonese militia. Israel didn’t approve of such tactics. Furthermore a magazine in America claimed Sharon was a war criminal, he sued them. The magazine was found libel. Belgium's international court even wants to put him on trial, no offense bit when a Belgian court wants to put you on trial it's a joke.



15. Did you know that on May 20, 1990, a group of unarmed Palestinian laborers were lined up and murdered by an Israeli solider as they sat waiting for transportation back to Gaza? The terrified laborers who gathered in an area of southern Israel known as Rishon Lezion (known to Palestinians by its Arabic name Oyon Qara) handed their ID cards to the Israeli soldier. The soldiers ordered the distressed laborers to kneel down and face the ground and unexpectedly showered them with a barrage of bullets, killing seven and wounding many others. Needless to say, the soldier was not charged with any crime.

I wont attempt to justify this.


16. Did you know that until as recently as 1988, Israelis were permitted to run "Jews Only" job ads?

If a place doesn’t want you then why work for them? if this happened in America I wouldn’t care. I admire honesty.


17. Did you know that the Israeli Foreign Ministry pays six US public relations firms to promote a "positive image" of Israel to the American public?

So? Who doesn’t do this?


18. Did you know that Sharon's coalition government includes a party--Molodet--which advocates ethnic cleansing by openly calling for the forced expulsion of all Palestinians from the occupied territories?


Interesting,


19. Did you know that recently-declassified documents indicate that David Ben-Gurion approved of the forced expulsion of Arabs from all Palestininan territory in 1948?

This was done by both sides.


20. Did you know that the former chief rabbi of Israel, Rabbi Ovadia Yossef, who is also a founder and spiritual leader of the religious Shas party (Israel's third largest political party) openly advocates a 'Final Solution' to annihilate the Palestinians? Speaking at the widely broadcast sermon marking the last Passover, he declared of the Palestinians: "The Lord shall return their deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world. It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable."

I hope the Israeli people don’t listen to this nut.


21. Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the largest portion of the refugee population in the world?

And why is that? ARAFAT


22. Did you know that Palestinian Christians are considered the "living stones" of Christianity because they are the direct descendants of the disciples of Jesus Christ? And the Palestinian Christians stand united with their Muslim brethren in the struggle against the Israeli occupation.

Christ never had any offspring and they arrived 700 years after Christ's death.


23. Did you know that despite a ban on torture by Israel's High Court of Justice, torture has continued unabated by Shin Bet interrogators on Palestinian prisoners?

What proof is there? If this is done then it is wrong.


24. Did you know that despite every Israeli attempt to disrupt Palestinian education, Palestinians have the highest ratio of PhDs per capita in the world?

And how is this possible under Israeli oppression?


25. Did you know that the right of self-determination is guaranteed to every human being under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [December, 1948], yet Palestinians were/are expected to negotiate for this right under the Oslo Accords?

What does the UN have to do with it?


26. Did you know that despite what is widely perpetuated and written in the history books that the Arabs attacked Israel in the 1967 war, it was Israel who attacked the Arab countries first, capturing Jerusalem and the West Bank, and called the attack a pre-emptive strike?

Of course, lets look at the numbers. 500,000 Arabs, hundreds of tanks, almost 1,000 aircraft. Israel’s army was about 1/2 the size. Nasser was off spouting his "death to Israel" rhetoric. When you corner a dog what will he do? Israel was justified in doing what it did. However Jordan did attack Israel first. Israel's pre-emptive air strikes were only on Egypt and Syria, not on Jordan. Jordan began shelling Israeli positions along the border. Israel pleaded for Jordan to stay out, but Jordan didn’t listen. Israel captured the Sinai, which was retuned, The Golan heights, most of which was returned, the West bank and Gaza strip which they still occupy today because of terror bombings. All the Palestinians have to do is stop bombing Israel and they'll have a state and the settlements will be disbanded.


27. Did you know that, as an occupying power, Israel has a particular responsibility under the Geneva Conventions to protect Palestinian civilians?

Of course, but Israel allows the Palestinians autonomy. The Palestinians have a government and a justice system (so long as you aren’t lynched first).


28. Did you know that, despite Ariel Sharon's public call for a unilateral ceasefire, Israeli soldiers have not stopped shooting, killing or bulldozing Palestinian homes? The most recent example of this is the murder of three innocent women who were shot by an Israeli tank as they sat in their tent!

Yeah, and what has stopped suicide bombers?


29. Did you know that the Zionists have been trying to destroy Masjid al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock for the last 50 years by digging underground tunnels beneath the sites to weaken its foundation causing it to collapse?


is this FACT or conspiracy? I cant take much of this list seriously as it is.


30) Nelson Mandela called the Israeli government an apartheid regime, just like South Africa used to be.


1 mans opinion.

[synthesis]

That is by far the weakest refutation of any document I have ever seen.

Your entire argument fits under the umbrella archetype of "So what?" If you can't see why murder, injustice, sadism, and torture are wrong, you have no business trying to convince us of anything.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 08:48 PM
el_profe, nobody here hates jews. Most of us hate the country of Isreal, there's a difference. You however hate muslims;


Just to show you how crazy most muslims ae, they all hate the jewish

You are saying that ALL muslims are "crazy" and that the all hates the jewish, to define a peron in this way based on the ethnic or religious group they belong to is prejudice. You're a racist and you acuse us of hateing jews.

How can you possibly defend isreal?


Note that i used the word most.

How can i defend Israel, i dont know, maybe because they(jews) have been persecuted the most. The egyptians, the spanish inquisition which persecuted other religions also but mainly jews and it lasted for three and a half centuries, the nazi's, , and their is alot of anti-semitisim still around. You will say its because of Israel, wrong. Because their was always anti-semitisim before Israel was fromed again in 1947. I think its because a-lot of jews are succesfull and are good with money so people just hate them for that, that is what hitler used.



As to the golan hights territory, Israel was attacked they pushed back the attack and then got some land and gave most of it back.
Yet again you display you're ignorance of history, they invaded Egypt, Syria and Jordan then, under pressure from the UN agreed to give most of the land back but refused to give back Jerusalem which the UN agreed to becuase they didn't want a war with Isreal.

I challenge you to name one muslim terrorist attack, one that was unprovoked and motivated by religion.

I think Israel took over the golan heights after they repelled the attackers in 1967, and they didnt start that war even if that article says so. And they where attacked by 7 nations,LOL 7 nations hate isreal so much that they attacked
Motivated by religion?? arent the children tought in muslim schools to hate Israel and jews. Their hate come from religion so most of the terrorist acts come from hatred of the jews. As to a terrorist attack motivated by religion we dont know we have to ask the killers but their all dead.
HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THE MUSLIMS, A RELIGION THAT HATES JEWS AND ANYONE THAT IS NOT MUSLIM, look at what they do to women in Iran or in afghanistan(the taliban), most muslims if not all hate jews.

"So I'm off to Pakistan, learn the laws of Islam
Fundamentalism, forget that rock 'n' roll
No cigarette, no drink, in fact
It's difficult to think about getting laid
When you don't even get to see her face
I'm not insane
"
NOFX

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 10:01 PM

Now I know why so many of you like stalin, he also hated jews just like most of you.

I think you should learn the valuable art of not speaking on topics which you have no knowledge about.

"Anti-Semitism is dangerous for the toilers, for it is a false track which diverts them from the proper road and leads them into the jungle. Hence, Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable and bitter enemies of anti-Semitism. In the U.S.S.R., anti-Semitism is strictly prosecuted as a phenomenon hostile to the Soviet system. According to the laws of the U.S.S.R. active anti-Semites are punished with death."
-Joseph Stalin, addressing the Jewish Telegraphic Agency of America, 1931
YEAH whatever, Stalin sent a lot of jewish people to those camps in siberia, i guess you dont see that as hatred of jews.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Loknar, why do you think isreal even has a right to exist?

If i decided i wanted a country just for white people and set it up in nigeria then persecuted the black nigerians and invaded their neigbous would you think that was okay? And when they rebelled in the only way they could with suicide bombings would you criticise them and use it as a reason to justify my occupation of their land?

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 11:25 PM

7. Did you know that Israel is awaiting an additional $4 billion worth of American military hardware, including new F-16s and Apache and Blackhawk helicopters. As Israel's main ally and supporter internationally, the United States is committed to maintaining the Jewish state's "qualitative edge" in weapons over its neighbors.

Good, I am happy to see our hardware go to them.
[/quote]
better them than saddam or osama.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 11:39 PM
Loknar, why do you think isreal even has a right to exist?

If i decided i wanted a country just for white people and set it up in nigeria then persecuted the black nigerians and invaded their neigbous would you think that was okay? And when they rebelled in the only way they could with suicide bombings would you criticise them and use it as a reason to justify my occupation of their land?
That shows your hate of jews and israel.
As to Israel, you act like the country never existed it did exist more than 2000 years ago so whats your point?
Palestinians want their muslim country also.

[Deniz Gezmis]

Originally posted by el_profe+Dec 27 2003, 11:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (el_profe @ Dec 27 2003, 11:36 PM)
[email protected] 27 2003, 08:48 PM
el_profe, nobody here hates jews. Most of us hate the country of Isreal, there&#39;s a difference. You however hate muslims;


Just to show you how crazy most muslims ae, they all hate the jewish

You are saying that ALL muslims are "crazy" and that the all hates the jewish, to define a peron in this way based on the ethnic or religious group they belong to is prejudice. You&#39;re a racist and you acuse us of hateing jews.

How can you possibly defend isreal?


Note that i used the word most.

How can i defend Israel, i dont know, maybe because they(jews) have been persecuted the most. The egyptians, the spanish inquisition which persecuted other religions also but mainly jews and it lasted for three and a half centuries, the nazi&#39;s, , and their is alot of anti-semitisim still around. You will say its because of Israel, wrong. Because their was always anti-semitisim before Israel was fromed again in 1947. I think its because a-lot of jews are succesfull and are good with money so people just hate them for that, that is what hitler used.



As to the golan hights territory, Israel was attacked they pushed back the attack and then got some land and gave most of it back.
Yet again you display you&#39;re ignorance of history, they invaded Egypt, Syria and Jordan then, under pressure from the UN agreed to give most of the land back but refused to give back Jerusalem which the UN agreed to becuase they didn&#39;t want a war with Isreal.

I challenge you to name one muslim terrorist attack, one that was unprovoked and motivated by religion.

Motivated by religion?? arent the children tought in muslim schools to hate Israel and jews. Their hate come from religion so most of the terrorist acts come from hatred of the jews. As to a terrorist attack motivated by religion we dont know we have to ask the killers but their all dead.
HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THE MUSLIMS, A RELIGION THAT HATES JEWS AND ANYONE THAT IS NOT MUSLIM, look at what they do to women in Iran or in afghanistan(the taliban), most muslims if not all hate jews. [/b]
You&#39;ve OBVIOUSLY never seen the picture of the Palestinian child in school holding a sign saying "Terror is our common enemy"

Found it for you. Thanks :)

http://www.alhewar.org/SEPTEMBER%2011/terror_is_our_common_enemy.jpg

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 11:39 PM
Loknar, why do you think isreal even has a right to exist?

If i decided i wanted a country just for white people and set it up in nigeria then persecuted the black nigerians and invaded their neigbous would you think that was okay? And when they rebelled in the only way they could with suicide bombings would you criticise them and use it as a reason to justify my occupation of their land?

Nigeria is a black country though. Israel has been inhabited by Jews for thousands of years before the Arabs conquered it.

Israel has every right to exist. In case you don’t know, ever since the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and killed most of the inhabitants Jews have been persecuted where ever they went.

[Misodoctakleidist]

As to the golan hights territory, Israel was attacked they pushed back the attack and then got some land and gave most of it back.

Now you&#39;re stereotyping jews, this is prejudice.


Motivated by religion?? arent the children tought in muslim schools to hate Israel and jews. Their hate come from religion so most of the terrorist acts come from hatred of the jews.

Don&#39;t you think that was motivated by the fact that isreal stole their land and persecuted them and killed members of their family and friends?


HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THE MUSLIMS, A RELIGION THAT HATES JEWS AND ANYONE THAT IS NOT MUSLIM

So you are prejudice against muslims, something you refuted in that very post.

This is how i can defend muslims, they have never persecuted another religion (to the best of my knowledge) but they have been attacked repeatedly by christians and other religions for the &#39;terrible crime&#39; of believing in islam. The christians launched three cruseded against them and they never retaliated by attacking christian nations. The Isrealites have taken their land and perseucted them with the help of christians in america and britian. Muslins are attacked and killed by hindus in india.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 11:45 PM

You&#39;ve OBVIOUSLY never seen the picture of the Palestinian child in school holding a sign saying "Terror is our common enemy"

Found it for you. Thanks :)

http://www.alhewar.org/SEPTEMBER%2011/terror_is_our_common_enemy.jpg
OH thanks, that clears everything up. first that is total PC(i hope you know what that means), why where all those palestinians celebrating in the street the 9-11 attacks?

Second, they see Israel as the terrorist, as the enemy so, that might be mean for ISrael, but i think its just a total PC move.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Israel has been inhabited by Jews for thousands of years before the Arabs conquered it.
Don&#39;t you mean REconquered it?


Israel has every right to exist. In case you don’t know, ever since the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and killed most of the inhabitants Jews have been persecuted where ever they went.

So why don&#39;t we pursecute the italians as well? i know, why does&#39;t everyone go to africa (where are ancestors once lives) and kick out all the africans and steal their land ans call them terrorists and persecute them if they resist.

[j.guevara]

I dont know much about Israel. I read in the 30 list that non-Jews live in Israel and that Israel supplies 15% water to Palestinian territories. How do non Jews and Palestinas live in israel? im confused

[Deniz Gezmis]

Originally posted by el_profe+Dec 27 2003, 11:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (el_profe @ Dec 27 2003, 11:52 PM)
[email protected] 27 2003, 11:45 PM

You&#39;ve OBVIOUSLY never seen the picture of the Palestinian child in school holding a sign saying "Terror is our common enemy"

Found it for you. Thanks :)

http://www.alhewar.org/SEPTEMBER%2011/terror_is_our_common_enemy.jpg
OH thanks, that clears everything up. first that is total PC(i hope you know what that means), why where all those palestinians celebrating in the street the 9-11 attacks?

Second, they see Israel as the terrorist, as the enemy so, that might be mean for ISrael, but i think its just a total PC move.[/b]
I see what you&#39;re saying. Because a small group of Palestinians celebrated the attacks agianst the friends of their aggressors that means that all Palestinians are evil agressors.
But of the Palestinians i&#39;ve met (They are welcomed and speak at demonstrations agianst the Brits here) many view Zionists and not Israelis as the enemy.
You&#39;re a total sterotypist (New word? :redstar2000: ) and you get anoyed when people compare Capitalists to Nazis, But if you opened your eyes you would see it&#39;s people like you that protray that image.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 11:49 PM
Don&#39;t you think that was motivated by the fact that isreal stole their land and persecuted them and killed members of their family and friends?


no. they hated jews before 1947.



HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THE MUSLIMS, A RELIGION THAT HATES JEWS AND ANYONE THAT IS NOT MUSLIM

So you are prejudice against muslims, something you refuted in that very post.

This is how i can defend muslims, they have never persecuted another religion (to the best of my knowledge) but they have been attacked repeatedly by christians and other religions for the &#39;terrible crime&#39; of believing in islam. The christians launched three cruseded against them and they never retaliated by attacking christian nations. The Isrealites have taken their land and perseucted them with the help of christians in america and britian. Muslins are attacked and killed by hindus in india.
The religion of islam wants to force their religion into the world they think they need to USE FORCE.
Catholics also did this and christians and it was wrong then and wrong now.

"they have never persecuted another religion" wrong. they did it in spain, they where called moros, in fact they actually took over a part of spain. I forgot for how long but i learned this in high shcool or middle shcool. here is a quote from: http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761575.../Spain.html#s40 (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761575057_5____40/Spain.html#s40) the info starts at the bottom of that page.
here is the quote:
"Muslim armies in North Africa posed the most serious threat to Visigothic Spain. In the early 8th century Muslim forces began conducting raids on Spain’s southern coast. North African Muslims included Arabs, who had swept across the region from the Middle East in the 7th century, and Berbers, the indigenous North African peoples conquered by the Arabs (see Spread of Islam).

In 710 a battle for succession to the Visigothic throne erupted following the death of King Witiza. Dynastic conflict prevented the succession of Witiza’s son, and Roderick, duke of Baetica, claimed the throne. In an effort to oust Roderick, Witiza’s family appealed to Muslims in North Africa for help. The Muslims quickly agreed. In 711 a Muslim army under the command of Berber general Tariq ibn-Ziyad crossed the Strait of Gibraltar and invaded Spain. After defeating Roderick’s army at the Battle of Guadalete in southern Spain, Muslim forces advanced swiftly into the rest of Spain."

[Misodoctakleidist]

The palestinians mostly live in the occupies territories but there are some in Isreal as well. Obviously isreal couldn&#39;t openly refuse entry to non-jew becuase it would be shockingly rascist.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 12:04 AM

I see what you&#39;re saying. Because a small group of Palestinians celebrated the attacks agianst the friends of their aggressors that means that all Palestinians are evil agressors.
But of the Palestinians i&#39;ve met (They are welcomed and speak at demonstrations agianst the Brits here) many view Zionists and not Israelis as the enemy.
You&#39;re a total sterotypist (New word? :redstar2000: ) and you get anoyed when people compare Capitalists to Nazis, But if you opened your eyes you would see it&#39;s people like you that protray that image.
A small group? you didtn see it on tv or the pictures?

what the hell does this have to do with nazi&#39;s and capitalism? unless of coarse you relate jews and capitalism.

total steretypist? because im right that most if not all muslims hate jews and israel??

[Bolshevika]

Israel started this conflict.

Also, the video of Arabs celebrating 9/11 is very questionable. I heard that when 9/11 happened it was night time in some parts of the Middle East.

[Deniz Gezmis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 12:06 AM
The palestinians mostly live in the occupies territories but there are some in Isreal as well. Obviously isreal couldn&#39;t openly refuse entry to non-jew becuase it would be shockingly rascist.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/335000/images/_336786_population_150.gif

[Misodoctakleidist]

The religion of islam wants to force their religion into the world they think they need to USE FORCE.
what do you base that statement on?


"they have never persecuted another religion" wrong. they did it in spain, they where called moros, in fact they actually took over a part of spain.

They were called the moors actually. They took over part of spain, it wasn&#39;t a relious war and it certainly wasn&#39;t motivated by Islam. Interestingly though after living there for 700 years they were forced out by christians who wanted to rid the spanish peninsular of islam and reclaim it for christianity.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 11:55 PM

Israel has been inhabited by Jews for thousands of years before the Arabs conquered it.
Don&#39;t you mean REconquered it?


no, they where theyre first then Islams said that was their land. This happened thousands of years before.

wasnt David king of Israel (the one from the bible that killed goliath and he did exist, im not sure if he really killed goliath but david did exist) and that was before jesus was born.

[Deniz Gezmis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 12:08 AM
A small group? you didtn see it on tv or the pictures?

what the hell does this have to do with nazi&#39;s and capitalism? unless of coarse you relate jews and capitalism.

total steretypist? because im right that most if not all muslims hate jews and israel??
I relate your sterotyping of the Muslims to that of the Nazis sterotyping Jews, Learn how to read. kthx.
Indeed i seen the pictures, I seen a small group of people throwing sweets at children. This all stopped when Mr. Arafat asked those people to cease those celebrations.

Why is Turkey an ally of Israel if they hate them (Since Turkey&#39;s main religion is Islam)? :)

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 12:11 AM

The religion of islam wants to force their religion into the world they think they need to USE FORCE.
what do you base that statement on?


"they have never persecuted another religion" wrong. they did it in spain, they where called moros, in fact they actually took over a part of spain.

They were called the moors actually. They took over part of spain, it wasn&#39;t a relious war and it certainly wasn&#39;t motivated by Islam. Interestingly though after living there for 700 years they were forced out by christians who wanted to rid the spanish peninsular of islam and reclaim it for christianity.
I base it on news ive seen, articles ive read, books... etc. A lot of people know that.

IN spanish they where moros.
Spain wanted their territory back, but the spanish where also religious peresecuters as i already said.

[Misodoctakleidist]

What about the story in the bible when they conquered the &#39;holy land&#39;? they came from egypt to conquer it any referneces to isreal before that refer to a group of people not a bit of land.

[Loknar]

They moved to Egypt Misodoctakleidist. The Jews like ever modern people were once nomads.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Your missing my point lok, history is no excuse to steal people&#39;s land if we looked far enough back we could all claim the holy land or pretty much any other part of the world.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by el_profe+Dec 27 2003, 11:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (el_profe @ Dec 27 2003, 11:38 PM)
[email protected] 27 2003, 10:01 PM

Now I know why so many of you like stalin, he also hated jews just like most of you.

I think you should learn the valuable art of not speaking on topics which you have no knowledge about.

"Anti-Semitism is dangerous for the toilers, for it is a false track which diverts them from the proper road and leads them into the jungle. Hence, Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable and bitter enemies of anti-Semitism. In the U.S.S.R., anti-Semitism is strictly prosecuted as a phenomenon hostile to the Soviet system. According to the laws of the U.S.S.R. active anti-Semites are punished with death."
-Joseph Stalin, addressing the Jewish Telegraphic Agency of America, 1931
YEAH whatever, Stalin sent a lot of jewish people to those camps in siberia, i guess you dont see that as hatred of jews. [/b]
Punishing Jewish people does not translate to anti-Semitism. Punishing them because they are Jewish is anti-Semitism.

By the way, "yeah, whatever" does not constitute a valid rebuttal.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 12:22 AM
Your missing my point lok, history is no excuse to steal people&#39;s land if we looked far enough back we could all claim the holy land or pretty much any other part of the world.
Ok, the Jews didn’t steal the land. After WW1 Prince Fisel allowed Jews to steel in Palestine. Since them to 1948 Jews had been moving in and BUYING land. If the Arabs didn’t attack Israel the land wouldn’t have been taken.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by Loknar+Dec 28 2003, 12:25 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Loknar @ Dec 28 2003, 12:25 AM)
[email protected] 28 2003, 12:22 AM
Your missing my point lok, history is no excuse to steal people&#39;s land if we looked far enough back we could all claim the holy land or pretty much any other part of the world.
Ok, the Jews didn’t steal the land. After WW1 Prince Fisel allowed Jews to steel in Palestine. Since them to 1948 Jews had been moving in and BUYING land. If the Arabs didn’t attack Israel the land wouldn’t have been taken. [/b]
It&#39;s not that simple though, most of the palestinians were nomadic so although they didn&#39;t legaly own the land they used it and were denied that privilage when jewish settelers took it.

[Bolshevika]

Birobidzhan, the republic Lenin and Stalin built for Jews. Doesn&#39;t sound very anti-semitic to me.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by Misodoctakleidist+Dec 28 2003, 12:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Misodoctakleidist @ Dec 28 2003, 12:28 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 12:25 AM

[email protected] 28 2003, 12:22 AM
Your missing my point lok, history is no excuse to steal people&#39;s land if we looked far enough back we could all claim the holy land or pretty much any other part of the world.
Ok, the Jews didn’t steal the land. After WW1 Prince Fisel allowed Jews to steel in Palestine. Since them to 1948 Jews had been moving in and BUYING land. If the Arabs didn’t attack Israel the land wouldn’t have been taken.
It&#39;s not that simple though, most of the palestinians were nomadic so although they didn&#39;t legaly own the land they used it and were denied that privilage when jewish settelers took it. [/b]
No they wernt. Not every arab was a bedoine.

[Loknar]

edit: disregard.

[Misodoctakleidist]

but many were, i thoguht it was most but i may be wrong about that.

[FarfromNear]

why does everybody hate israel? ITs not them the israelis who are strapping themselves with c-4 and blowing themselves up with a bunch of kids. I think you guys have the wrong people, israelis, as the bad guys.

[Misodoctakleidist]

It&#39;s not the palistinians who stole the land and pursecuted the inhabinants and then labelled them terrorists when they tried to resist.

[Loknar]

How did the Jews &#39;steal&#39; the land?

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 12:40 AM
why does everybody hate israel? ITs not them the israelis who are strapping themselves with c-4 and blowing themselves up with a bunch of kids. I think you guys have the wrong people, israelis, as the bad guys.
You&#39;re right, the Israelis aren&#39;t blowing themselves up to kill innocents. They have American-provided weaponry to do it with.

Putting things in context (http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/palestine/IsraeliTerrorismPhotos.html)

[Loknar]

http://www.geocities.com/kl7767/image555555.jpg
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[Deniz Gezmis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 02:02 AM
http://www.geocities.com/kl7767/image555555.jpg
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It&#39;s the fact you can tell that is edited. On the picture i posted you can see the pattern of the paper. It also looks like you used two different fonts.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by Death+Dec 28 2003, 02:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Death @ Dec 28 2003, 02:07 AM)
[email protected] 28 2003, 02:02 AM
http://www.geocities.com/kl7767/image555555.jpg
copy and paste
It&#39;s the fact you can tell that is edited. On the picture i posted you can see the pattern of the paper. It also looks like you used two different fonts. [/b]
In a previous post, he said "it is easy to photoshop" or something like that, i think he was just proving it. By the WAY DEATH, now that i look at that picture it looks like the letters are not straight on the paper, i am not sure if that picture is real, but you can see the letter on the paper dont look straight.

[Deniz Gezmis]

Originally posted by el_profe+Dec 28 2003, 02:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (el_profe @ Dec 28 2003, 02:23 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 02:07 AM

[email protected] 28 2003, 02:02 AM
http://www.geocities.com/kl7767/image555555.jpg
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It&#39;s the fact you can tell that is edited. On the picture i posted you can see the pattern of the paper. It also looks like you used two different fonts.
In a previous post, he said "it is easy to photoshop" or something like that, i think he was just proving it. By the WAY DEATH, now that i look at that picture it looks like the letters are not straight on the paper, i am not sure if that picture is real, but you can see the letter on the paper dont look straight. [/b]
Whatever. I&#39;m not even going to bother anymore. PLEASE ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION ON TURKEY.

[el_profe]

Death already answered your question on the other thread where you asked me the question.

Here is a great article on growing ant-semitism from muslims in europe:
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3414
Here is just some quotes from the article:
"Anti-Semitism in Europe was for nearly two millennia a Christian phenomenon; now it is basically a Muslim one.

That is the basic message of an officially-commissioned study by the European Union (EU) which became notorious in recent weeks when the EU itself quashed the 104-page draft version. The Financial Times, which broke this story, reported that it did so "because the study concluded Muslims and pro-Palestinian groups were behind many of the incidents it examined." This focus on Muslim and pro-Palestinian perpetrators, the Financial Times went on, "was judged inflammatory." "

another quote:
"From the perpetrators identified or at least identifiable with some certainty, it can be concluded that the anti-Semitic incidents in the monitoring period were committed above all either by right-wing extremists or radical Islamists or young Muslims mostly of Arab descent."
Righ-wing extremist meaning probably neo-nazis

[Intifada]

The religion of islam wants to force their religion into the world they think they need to USE FORCE.


that is bullshit. i am a muslim. it says in the qu&#39;ran and the hadith that islam should not be imposed, and that the people should have the right to choose whether or not to become a muslim.


why does everybody hate israel? ITs not them the israelis who are strapping themselves with c-4 and blowing themselves up with a bunch of kids. I think you guys have the wrong people, israelis, as the bad guys.

i hate israel for the same reasons in which you hate saddam and osama. in other words they are terrorists who persecute, humiliate and kill helpless palestinians.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 09:26 PM

The religion of islam wants to force their religion into the world they think they need to USE FORCE.


that is bullshit. i am a muslim. it says in the qu&#39;ran and the hadith that islam should not be imposed, and that the people should have the right to choose whether or not to become a muslim.


why does everybody hate israel? ITs not them the israelis who are strapping themselves with c-4 and blowing themselves up with a bunch of kids. I think you guys have the wrong people, israelis, as the bad guys.

i hate israel for the same reasons in which you hate saddam and osama. in other words they are terrorists who persecute, humiliate and kill helpless palestinians.
Well then somoen is changing the quran in those nations, like in Iran and Afghanistan.
Why where women treated so bad by the taliban and in other islamic nations they treated women almost the same way (not as bad). I saw a documentary on that, I forgot what nation they where talking about (i think it was IRan, but im not sure) anyway they had this women that had had an affair and her own family killed her for honor? she also did not choose who to marry, her dad did that for her. Anyway, the country was living under the rules of the koran, so maybe they changed it to their views.
In afghanistan music was banned from radio, WTF?
Are you gonna tell me muslims dont see the man as superior to women?

Here is a quote from another documentary, this is also for death cause it talks about how they separate religion from politics in Turkey.:
In Malaysia, Zainah Anwar, a feminist Muslim activist, questions her religion&#39;s repressive views and treatment of women and heads a group working for modern interpretations of Islamic texts. Despite the rising influence of Malaysia&#39;s Islamic Party, which encourages women to veil themselves and put their family before career, Zainah is adamant that Islam is not a patriarchal religion.

In secular Turkey, Muslims are in another kind of struggle. For over seventy years the government has strictly separated Islam from politics, viewing political Islam as a threat to Turkey&#39;s modern, democratic society. But with the revival of Islam -- in 1996 a Turkish Islamic Party won over 20 percent of the vote -- Turkey has cracked down on Islam&#39;s most visible symbols, such as head scarves on women. Secularists see head scarves in public leading to further inroads on the nation&#39;s strict separation of religion and state.

There&#39;s little struggle over Islam and modernity in the predominantly Muslim north of Nigeria. "Muslims" shows how an increasing number of states in the region have reintroduced full Sharia law, with its harsh penal code that includes amputations, floggings and executions. Supporters of this movement, such as attorney Muzzammil Sani Hanga, defend Sharia as a way to establish morality and order in a society where values have eroded. And for Hanga, Westerners&#39; opposition to Sharia highlights the sharp differences in how Westerners and Muslims see individual freedoms vs. communal values and harmony.
this is from: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...c/synopsis.html (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/muslims/etc/synopsis.html)

another link with quotes from the quran:http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/women.html
another link to how they treated women in Afghanistan just in case you try to deny it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/worl...one/1604334.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/world_at_one/1604334.stm)
Where&#39;nt all the suicide terrorist on 9-11 muslim? at least most where if not all.

[el_profe]

IHATEBUSH: do you also hate clinton, for kosovo, the bombings on yugoslavia, the 2 bombings on Iraq, the bombing of an aspirin factory in Sudan?

[Misodoctakleidist]

el_profe, i&#39;ve got news for you; gender equality doesn&#39;t exist in any country. Why do you blame all muslims for what the government of iran does.

[el_profe]

TO ALL YOU SAYING MUSLIMS ONLY HATE ISRAEL AND THEY DONT HATE JEWS here is some news:

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3414

http://www.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0...1092466,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0,11981,1092466,00.html)
http://www.atlanticblog.com/archives/001279.html
http://www.mahathir-mohamad.com/news/007.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3004408.stm

http://newssearch.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search...ism+in&x=10&y=8 (http://newssearch.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?scope=newsifs&tab=news&q=growing+anti-semitism+in&x=10&y=8)

I know what most of you say: "This is because Israel, its Israel fault because they are oppressing palestinians" but the would contradict what some of you have already said: like Ihatebush: "I dont hate jews, I hate Israel", then i was also told that in Israel they are hebrew and they are different from jews.

So if Muslims only hate israel and not jews, then why is their growing anti-semitism in europe by muslims?, at the same time the number of muslims that are immigrating to europe is rising.

These article shows Muslims hate jews and Israel.

[LuZhiming]

Just to show you how crazy most muslims ae, they all hate the jewish, and I cant believe anyone defends them when they send an 18 year old girl to commit a suicide bombing. That is fucked up. How about all the people that have been killed by their terrorist attack. I would of liked to see 30 facts about how many jews/israelis have been killed by muslim terrorist attacks. As to the golan hights territory, Israel was attacked they pushed back the attack and then got some land and gave most of it back. As to the Israel soldier, that is one soldier, and it didnt say what happen to him so what if he was sent to jail.
Now I know why so many of you like stalin, he also hated jews just like most of you. Just to show you how crazy most muslims ae, they all hate the jewish, and I cant believe anyone defends them when they send an 18 year old girl to commit a suicide bombing. That is fucked up. How about all the people that have been killed by their terrorist attack. I would of liked to see 30 facts about how many jews/israelis have been killed by muslim terrorist attacks.

This sort of arguement is infuriating, and totally absurd. Sure, the Palestinian suicide bombing is vicious, I agree. But what is the cause of it? Israel has had a brutal policy against Palestinians. They murder, destroy the homes, and steal from Palestinians regularly. They don&#39;t have equal rights.



Wow, you&#39;re really intelligent. Not liking Israel&#39;s murder, torture, and theft from the Palestinians = Hating Jews

That makes sense. :rolleyes:

These facts are well known too.


Big deal. They want to keep it Jewish. The so called &#39;Palestinians&#39; are ARABS. The ARABS conquered this land. How come it is ok for them to conquer but when the Jews do it it&#39;s a big crime?

What are you talking about? Something that happened thousands of years ago? It is right that Israel is criticized for their crimes against the Palestinians. After the fall of the Ottoman Turks, which the Palestinians participated in, the British promised freedom for the Arabs, including a Palestinian state. But Lawrence of Arabia&#39;s promises ended up not happening, and the state of Israel was formed instead. And the Israeli&#39;s subsequently drove out thousands of Palestinians from their homes.


I don’t know what to say about this, other than I don’t care.

You really don&#39;t care about the racist policies of Israel, eh?


Israel has withdrawn from most of the Golan Heights. And yes it&#39;s occupied; big deal. If the Arab states weren’t so intent on destroying Israel this wouldn’t be the case.

And if Israel wasn&#39;t so obsessed with driving Palestinians out of their homes and murdering them, none of this would happen.


Um, tell the environmental wackos.

Why don&#39;t you just admit that you are absolutely clueless, have no way to refute any worthwhile criticism of U.S. or Israeli policy, and since you don&#39;t, refuse to care. It&#39;s clear that you really don&#39;t care whether or not the Palestinians have limited water, which of course, must not be significant resource. I guess perhaps Jews need water more than Palestinians.


Yes., in fact it should be doubled.

Why? So Israel can slaughter more Palestinians?


Good, It&#39;s a good thing that the money is going to a better cause. Africa is in famine because they create it for them selves. Most famine on this planet is man made. Talk to your precious UN. I for one would hate to see the money wasted by warlords.

This is pure ignorance. You are completely ignoring what the European occupation, and in certain cases, U.S. intervention has done to Africa. Portugal, France, England, Belgium, the United States, and others have devastated and Africa, and they don&#39;t give a damn. Why is it a better cause anyway? I would love to hear your opinion on this matter.


Good, I am happy to see our hardware go to them.

Why is that?


Fine with me. Destroying that reactor was a good thing. In fact we knew they were going to do it.

It&#39;s funny you don&#39;t bother to mention the righteousness of the attacks against Lebanon. What was the justification for those?


And who gave em nukes? THE FRENCH. Tell the UN to get on their ass for it.

And nothing should happen to Israel?


Ok this is being presented as absolute fact when in fact it is not.

Oh please. You know quite well that you are an ignoramos, and you do not know much about the issue. Just do a little search. Try for example: "Israel diplomatic facility Egypt USS Liberty". How do you explain the comments of U.S. Secretary of State, Dean Rusk on the matter?


So? This just shows how useless the UN is.

Right, and if Saddam Hussein did something like this, I wonder if you would complain about the U.N.&#39;s uselessness. :rolleyes:


SO what? There aren’t many Jews around and for 2,000 years they have been killed and deported from their homes. What is so bad about preserving your culture?

Preserving their culture? There have been parts of the Arab world where Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived together in peace. It&#39;s funny how critical you are of things like the above happening to Jews, but when Israel does those exact things like it constantly does, you love it.


Interesting case. Lets be clear though, those people were murdered by a Christian Lebanonese militia. Israel didn’t approve of such tactics. Furthermore a magazine in America claimed Sharon was a war criminal, he sued them. The magazine was found libel. Belgium&#39;s international court even wants to put him on trial, no offense bit when a Belgian court wants to put you on trial it&#39;s a joke.

What? Be honest: You don&#39;t know shit about a Belgian court. Israel did approve of such tactics, the Christian militia were payed and backed by Israel, and were even wearing Israeli military uniforms. Ariel Sharon handed over the camps to the militia, and was not bothered at all after the slaughter. This case isn&#39;t even controversial. Just for example, go to MSN and type in "Sabra Shatila."


If a place doesn’t want you then why work for them? if this happened in America I wouldn’t care. I admire honesty.

This comment says enough by itself.


Interesting,

You&#39;re not one to criticize a U.S. ally, are you? I remember you were trying to justify the invasion of Iraq because "I have studied Saddam Hussein, the Shia and Kurdish rebellion and I can tell you they are awful." and you said "to support Saddam is just like supporting a serial killer." You describe the "putdown" of the Shia rebellion as "brutal." Why don&#39;t you bother to describe Israel&#39;s policies as such?


This was done by both sides.

What? Palestinians drove Jews out of Israel? Arabs drove Jews out of Arab countries? Hahaha, you are making an utter idiot out of yourself with this comment.


And why is that? ARAFAT

:blink: Arafat? So how exactly is Arafat possibly involved in the happenings in Israel? This claim is quite an outrageous one.


What proof is there? If this is done then it is wrong.

Hmm, I don&#39;t know, considering virtually every Human Rights agency reports it. It&#39;s virtually undisputed that Israel tortured people in at Khiam.


And how is this possible under Israeli oppression?

According to you, Jews have been oppressed for thousands of years, and they have managed to accomplish a lot. Everyone hear should recognize that, Karl Marx was a Jew.


What does the UN have to do with it?

If you&#39;re so against the U.N., why do you support a war based on a U.N. declaration that makes Iraq&#39;s supposed WMD&#39;s illegal? Why? You are just biased, admit it, you admire honest people after all.


Of course, lets look at the numbers. 500,000 Arabs, hundreds of tanks, almost 1,000 aircraft. Israel’s army was about 1/2 the size. Nasser was off spouting his "death to Israel" rhetoric. When you corner a dog what will he do? Israel was justified in doing what it did. However Jordan did attack Israel first. Israel&#39;s pre-emptive air strikes were only on Egypt and Syria, not on Jordan. Jordan began shelling Israeli positions along the border. Israel pleaded for Jordan to stay out, but Jordan didn’t listen. Israel captured the Sinai, which was retuned, The Golan heights, most of which was returned, the West bank and Gaza strip which they still occupy today because of terror bombings. All the Palestinians have to do is stop bombing Israel and they&#39;ll have a state and the settlements will be disbanded.

:lol: Israel was cornered? "Death to Israel" rhetoric? You do realize Israel was already planning on attacking, right? And again, like a true moron, you blame it all on the bombings. What is hilarious about that, is that more Palestinians have died from Israeli raids than Jews killed by suicide bombings. Go ahead, keep ignoring the facts like your government does.


Yeah, and what has stopped suicide bombers?

Apparently not shooting, killing, and bulldozing homes, which Israel has been doing since its formation.


is this FACT or conspiracy? I cant take much of this list seriously as it is.

Of course, it is completely understandable for you to ignore all that doesn&#39;t apply to your own wishes. It&#39;s obvious that you are completely biased. The proof of Israel&#39;s atrocities is so numerous, and you ignore it. It would be incorrect to say you have a weak arguement, you don&#39;t have an arguement at all. You are making a fool out of yourself.


How can i defend Israel, i dont know, maybe because they(jews) have been persecuted the most. The egyptians, the spanish inquisition which persecuted other religions also but mainly jews and it lasted for three and a half centuries, the nazi&#39;s, , and their is alot of anti-semitisim still around. You will say its because of Israel, wrong. Because their was always anti-semitisim before Israel was fromed again in 1947. I think its because a-lot of jews are succesfull and are good with money so people just hate them for that, that is what hitler used.

The Jews have had plenty of instances in history where they were not persecuted. Stop using that excuse for more persecution. It has nothing to do with Jews, and it never did. The Palestinians have been murdered by Israel, lied to by the British, and you are blaming their resistance on racism. And Jews have not been persecuted the most. Africans have been persecuted much more than Jews, not that that, or your arguement have any relivance at all.



Note to the idiotic participants of this action: Stop turning this into a racist or religous arguement. Women wearing veils over them has absolutely nothing to do with the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. This soft of lunacy is pointless.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 11:58 PM
el_profe, i&#39;ve got news for you; gender equality doesn&#39;t exist in any country. Why do you blame all muslims for what the government of iran does.
NO SHIT. So know you are comparing what they do in Iran and what the taliban did/do to women to other countries? your insane.

That there is no equality does not mean that they are opressed, they can go to shcool, they can work, they can marry whoever they want, they dont get killed if they have an affair, they can vote, THEY DONT HAVE TO WHERE THAT STUPID THING TO COVER THEIR BODY AND THEIR FACE.

Why do I blame muslims fro what Iran does. Iran is not the only esample of this, the taliban had the same thing, in Saudi Arabia this happens in other muslim countries. MUSLIMS JUST VIEW women as inferior.
In these countries christian bibles are illegal, you call that tolerant to other religions

AND WHY DO MUSLIMS force women to cover all their body and their face?

[Deniz Gezmis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 01:41 AM
AND WHY DO MUSLIMS force women to cover all their body and their face?
You have obviously never been to any Middle Eastern country.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by Death+Dec 29 2003, 01:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Death @ Dec 29 2003, 01:49 AM)
[email protected] 29 2003, 01:41 AM
AND WHY DO MUSLIMS force women to cover all their body and their face?
You have obviously never been to any Middle Eastern country. [/b]
No. But i was talking about the islamic countries. Saudi arabia, iran, and the former gov. of the taliban.
Have you been to the middle east?

[Deniz Gezmis]

Originally posted by el_profe+Dec 29 2003, 01:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (el_profe @ Dec 29 2003, 01:56 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 01:49 AM

[email protected] 29 2003, 01:41 AM
AND WHY DO MUSLIMS force women to cover all their body and their face?
You have obviously never been to any Middle Eastern country.
No. But i was talking about the islamic countries. Saudi arabia, iran, and the former gov. of the taliban.
Have you been to the middle east? [/b]
Yes. I&#39;ve been to Turkey, Egypt and Tunisa and i&#39;ve traveled out of the tourist areas and never have a seen or even heard of a man forcing a woman to wear the hijab. Saudi arabia, iran, and the former gov. of the taliban hardly count for all countries with a large Muslim population.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 02:04 AM

Yes. I&#39;ve been to Turkey, Egypt and Tunisa and i&#39;ve traveled out of the tourist areas and never have a seen or even heard of a man forcing a woman to wear the hijab. Saudi arabia, iran, and the former gov. of the taliban hardly count for all countries with a large Muslim population.
So you have not been to any of the countries I mentioned.

[el_profe]

So muslims dont hate jews?

Holocaust Denial Down In U.S., Up In Arab Countries

http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=55165

and before death ar anoyne else comes up with this stupid answer: "holocaust denial does not show you hate jews"
yes it does, look at the main people that deny the holocaust, they all hate jews.

[Deniz Gezmis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 06:49 AM
So you have not been to any of the countries I mentioned.
You said all Muslims and the main religion in those countries i visited was.... Guess what? :)

[Deniz Gezmis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 07:29 AM
So muslims dont hate jews?

Holocaust Denial Down In U.S., Up In Arab Countries

http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=55165

and before death ar anoyne else comes up with this stupid answer: "holocaust denial does not show you hate jews"
yes it does, look at the main people that deny the holocaust, they all hate jews.
It&#39;s absurd to say all Muslims or all Muslims in a certain country hate Jews. Then you justify it by giving us a Zionist source? <_<

[el_profe]

TO ALL YOU SAYING MUSLIMS ONLY HATE ISRAEL AND THEY DONT HATE JEWS here is some news:

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3414

http://www.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0...1092466,00.html

http://www.atlanticblog.com/archives/001279.html

http://www.mahathir-mohamad.com/news/007.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3004408.stm

http://newssearch.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search...ism+in&x=10&y=8
I know what most of you say: "This is because Israel, its Israel fault because they are oppressing palestinians" but the would contradict what some of you have already said: like Ihatebush: "I dont hate jews, I hate Israel", then i was also told that in Israel they are hebrew and they are different from jews.

So if Muslims only hate israel and not jews, then why is their growing anti-semitism in europe by muslims?, at the same time the number of muslims that are immigrating to europe is rising.

These article shows Muslims hate jews and Israel.

[cubist]

its religions fault religion is for the weak

[Intifada]

el profe, who supports/supported the taliban and saudi arabia?

the u&#036;a

you do not know a thing about islam. shut up and stop speaking out of your ass. you are a racist. you hate muslims as much as you believe that all muslims hate jews.


Why where women treated so bad by the taliban and in other islamic nations they treated women almost the same way (not as bad).

no proper muslim agrees with regimes such as the taliban. they are fanatics.

and by the way, are women treated as equally as men in western countries such as the u&#036;a? no. these countries treat women better, but still not equally with men.

this conflict has nothing to do with religion. its about the occupation of palestinians.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 07:01 PM
el profe, who supports/supported the taliban and saudi arabia?

the u&#036;a

you do not know a thing about islam. shut up and stop speaking out of your ass. you are a racist. you hate muslims as much as you believe that all muslims hate jews.


true, but we are not talking about the USA. Now how do you explain the growing anti-semitism from muslims in Europe?

Like you say not all muslims hate jews, I hate muslims that hate jews, I hate the KKK that hates everyone that is not white, I hate nazis....

[Intifada]

Now how do you explain the growing anti-semitism from muslims in Europe?]

those links you provided were claims from people who support the zionist cause, of course they want to blame the muslims, because they are racist. they look for a scapegoat, rather like the nazis.


Like you say not all muslims hate jews, I hate muslims that hate jews, I hate the KKK that hates everyone that is not white, I hate nazis....

from what ive heard from you, you are completely ignorant about the religion of islam. you seem like a racist to me, and probably many others. the fact is, there are always going to be minorities in each religion who will have racist attitudes towards other faiths.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 07:49 PM

Now how do you explain the growing anti-semitism from muslims in Europe?]

those links you provided were claims from people who support the zionist cause, of course they want to blame the muslims, because they are racist. they look for a scapegoat, rather like the nazis.

WTF. The EU is pro zionist? cause theyre report concluded that, I have you 6 different links including the bbc and other news sources. Those links I provided biased? BS.

[Intifada]

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3414

the author is from the jerusalem post, there could easily be bias.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0...1092466,00.html

link doesnt work.


http://www.atlanticblog.com/archives/001279.html

"Mr Sharon described the growing Muslim population in Europe as "endangering the life of Jewish people." "

what a racist. that has no thought behind it whatsoever. the same could easily be said for jews in the mid east.


http://www.mahathir-mohamad.com/news/007.htm

some good points, but most of it is from israeli sympathisers.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3004408.stm

this link has nothing about islamic anti-semitism.


http://newssearch.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search...ism+in&x=10&y=8

link didnt work.




i do not agree with the cases in which synagogues and jewish schools have been firebombed. that is racism and is wrong.

el profe, how come you didnt post any links on the cases in which mosques and muslims have been attacked? the jews are victims of racism, but so are blacks, muslims and chinese.

attacks on islam in australia. (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/musl-s20.shtml)

attacks on muslims in america. (http://www.dawn.com/2001/09/16/top14.htm)

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 09:05 PM
i do not agree with the cases in which synagogues and jewish schools have been firebombed. that is racism and is wrong.

el profe, how come you didnt post any links on the cases in which mosques and muslims have been attacked? the jews are victims of racism, but so are blacks, muslims and chinese.

attacks on islam in australia. (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/musl-s20.shtml)

attacks on muslims in america. (http://www.dawn.com/2001/09/16/top14.htm)
I didnt post any link on muslims being attacked because i was talking about musliims attacking jews. And does links you gave, those incidents where right after 9-11, and since most suicide attacks are made by muslims, people took it out on them right after 9-11. It was wrong that they did that.
Those muslims where not attacked by jewish or most attacks where not made by jews, but in europe the anti-semitism comes mostly from muslims.

I dont know why the links didnt work but here are the 2 that didnt work and one more:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3275519.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0...1092466,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0,11981,1092466,00.html)

http://newssearch.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search...itism+in+Europe (http://newssearch.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?scope=newsifs&tab=news&q=growing+anti-semitism+in+Europe)





http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3414

the author is from the jerusalem post, there could easily be bias.
Yes, on his opinions. But he was talking on a report made by the EU on growing anti-semitism from muslims in Europe.



http://www.atlanticblog.com/archives/001279.html

"Mr Sharon described the growing Muslim population in Europe as "endangering the life of Jewish people." "

what a racist. that has no thought behind it whatsoever. the same could easily be said for jews in the mid east.

That is MR. Sharon&#39;s opinions.

[Intifada]

anti-semitism has been around for ages. since the very start of the existence of jews. however the jews attacked the muslims when the prophet muhammad was in existence. during the crusades many muslims and some jews were brutally slaughtered by christian fanatics. the muslims actually gave refuge to the jews.

it is in the qur&#39;an and the hadith (sayings of muhammad) that all men and women should be treated kindly and with respect, no matter what. so, racism is against the teachings of islam. i never condone racism. however, racism will be in existence forever.

crimes against islam in israel&#39;s early history (http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/crimes_against_islam/)

1960s (http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/crimes_against_islam/8.htm)

before 9 11 (http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/crimes_against_islam/12.htm)

some muslims hate jews, some jews hate muslims.

however you havent accounted for the policies of sharon. these extremist policies will obviously cause more anti-semitism, wont it?

[Misodoctakleidist]

el_profe, there is a differnece between the racism some palestinians show towards jews and the racism towards palestinians which is supported by the state of isreal, the latter being far worse. Palestinians hate isrealites for a reason, fair enough it&#39;s not a reason to hate all isrealites but the pursecution of the palestinians perpetrated by isreal is pure prejudice and it&#39;s supported by the worlds largest superpower. How can you criticise muslims for hating jew but at the same time condone the actions od Isreal?