Revolutionary Calendar

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

I know this may seem bizarre, but did you know some places don't track time through the year of our Lord? Okay here's the question. If some form of world (or interplanetary) revolutionary regime rose to power would it change the calendar to a new date in order to appeal to other groups and distance itself from the JudeoChristian European dominated past? Maybe we could go another way and assume that in a dystopic future China re embraces the imperial calendar in a grand bid to spread xenophobia, seclusion and a 1984 esque bigotry against its enemies. As it cements its superpower status more client states at least somewhat acknowledge the calendar as a sign of respect. Maybe also have the neo turks and various arab/muslim states begin to draw back the use of the western calendar as an FU to a declining west and perceived cultural imperialism. Finally have the Russians revert to a Julian calendar due to being overrun by insane Cossacks. Wait a century or two until the madness subsides and revolution overthrows the various regimes (The Martian outposts revolt and unify en mass as an added caveat). Now after all this bullshit, how should the world unify culturally? Through the date of course. Should they return to A.D, find something new, or just bullshit by adopting the Mayan circle of death?

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[Weezer]

Ask the French Revolution about it. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Republican_Calendar)

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

How about the Juche calander?

[Blake's Baby]

The Khmer Rouge declared 'Year Zero' didn't they?

[Q]

I was born in 1984 and my rule will be like 1984.

It'll stay 1984, forever.

Otherwise I'll opt for stardates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stardate).

[Ostrinski]

I don't see a point in changing it. There will be enought things to tend to.

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

I don't see a point in changing it. There will be enought things to tend to.

I'm just interested in obscure and relatively petty social and political arguments. I wrote this in a binaural induced haze last night. Should probably edit JudeoChristian to Gregorian. I have no problems with the calendar and even dislike changing AD to CE due to whiny PC. But any form of world government and/or stateless system would either have to reform their dates or get over the fact that they measure through a system that has an inherent "western" heritage.

[GoddessCleoLover]

If the Chinese, Indians and other Third World peoples are okay with the calendar status quo then let it be. Is Anarchcommunaltoad going Avanti on us?:D

[cynicles]

Can I schedule a revolution for Canada for the 1st of December?

[GoddessCleoLover]

Only if it is a Luxemburgist revolution.;)

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

If the Chinese, Indians and other Third World peoples are okay with the calendar status quo then let it be. Is Anarchcommunaltoad going Avanti on us?:D

I don't even know why i wrote this. This thread is either a beginnings of an epic or my final foray into madness.

[o well this is ok I guess]

Fuck it let's just reinstate the calender put up in the french revolution.

[Yazman]

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[hatzel]

...and what was wrong with my post, exactly? :confused:

The Jewish calendar (surprisingly enough) doesn't measure its years from the Jesus-time, nor does it use all this Roman mumbo-jumbo, ergo it is currently 16th Kislev 5773. In addition to being 30th November 2012. This obviously challenges the idea that the Gregorian calendar can be linked to 'Judeo-Christian' (as a word it's a pet hate of mine; I even made a thread about it once) domination, what with it having absolutely nothing to do with the Judeo half of this so-called 'Judeo-Christianity.' I assumed anybody who couldn't guess that I was talking about the Jewish calendar from the fact that there were words and numbers arranged in date format, or didn't know what Kislev was would Google it and find the Wikipedia page about how it's a month on the Jewish calendar and perhaps think to themselves either 'alas, Judeo-calendars are different from Christian ones, this is worth noting in this context!' or 'aha, there are people who exist simultaneously on two calendars, one the universal, one particularistic; perhaps this could prove somewhat enlightening to the discussion of revolutionary calendars and how it is in fact already possible to overcome the difficulties that may arise between a variety of different methods of measuring the date!' I dunno, maybe I'm asking too much of people and should just spell everything out word-for-word...

[l'Enfermé]

"Judeo-Christian". Hahahahaha. I think American pro-Zionist Conservatives are the only ones stupid enough to say crap like that. If you mentioned a "Judeo-Christian" culture in Europe, you'd simply be laughed at for your idiocy. In France, people would think you're referring to Early Christians before they abandoned the sillier parts of Mosaic law(judéo-christianisme). In Russia, they'd think you're referring to the Ebionites(иудеохристианство). But in America, Judeo-Christianism is the dominant culture!

Christianity might have begun as a Jewish sect, but so did Islam, yet we don't call Saudi Arabia a "Judeo-Islamic country".

Anyway, we must adopt a calendar that begins with the start of the Third Servile War(Spartacus's slave rebellion, that is), 73 BC.

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

Now I just feel silly. Erases JudeoChristian from vocabulary

[Q]

If you mentioned a "Judeo-Christian" culture in Europe, you'd simply be laughed at for your idiocy.
Since a few years "Judeo-Christian" has actually become a little bit commonplace in Dutch political discourse, but is mainly used by Geert Wilders.


Anyway, we must adopt a calendar that begins with the start of the Third Servile War(Spartacus's slave rebellion, that is), 73 BC.

Which would bring us in 2085, I like being in the far future :cool:

[Jack]

Christianity might have begun as a Jewish sect, but so did Islam, yet we don't call Saudi Arabia a "Judeo-Islamic country".

Islam didn't start as a Jewish sect, Muhammad knew of Jews and Christians and said that his god was the same God (that of Abraham and Ishmael), but the traditions and culture have nothing to do with Judaism other than believing in the Abrahamic conception of God. The first Muslims were converts from traditional South-Arabian paganism.

The Bahai Faith is another Abrahamic religion originating in Iran, I don't think most people would say it is a "sect of Judaism".

[Grenzer]

"Judeo-Christian". Hahahahaha. I think American pro-Zionist Conservatives are the only ones stupid enough to say crap like that. If you mentioned a "Judeo-Christian" culture in Europe, you'd simply be laughed at for your idiocy. In France, people would think you're referring to Early Christians before they abandoned the sillier parts of Mosaic law(judéo-christianisme). In Russia, they'd think you're referring to the Ebionites(иудеохристианство). But in America, Judeo-Christianism is the dominant culture!

Christianity might have begun as a Jewish sect, but so did Islam, yet we don't call Saudi Arabia a "Judeo-Islamic country".

Anyway, we must adopt a calendar that begins with the start of the Third Servile War(Spartacus's slave rebellion, that is), 73 BC.

I really, really, really hate that phrase. It's just trying to create an arbitrary connection where a significant one does not exist in many ways. Obviously, the use of the phrase is a reflection of the growing alliance between Israeli nationalists and Christian reactionaries.

Borz, you are truly a cosmopolitan. How many different countries have you lived in?

[l'Enfermé]

^For more than a few months? The Soviet Union, the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, the Russian Federation(as a refugee in Dagestan and Ingushetia), Austria, the UK, France, Belgium and now Sweden.

[blake 3:17]

Section Fifteen of Walter Benjamin's Theses on the Philosophy of History:


The consciousness of exploding the continuum of history is peculiar to the revolutionary classes in the moment of their action. The Great Revolution introduced a new calendar. The day on which the calendar started functioned as a historical time-lapse camera. And it is fundamentally the same day which, in the shape of holidays and memorials, always returns. The calendar does not therefore count time like clocks. They are monuments of a historical awareness, of which there has not seemed to be the slightest trace for a hundred years. Yet in the July Revolution an incident took place which did justice to this consciousness. During the evening of the first skirmishes, it turned out that the clock-towers were shot at independently and simultaneously in several places in Paris. An eyewitness who may have owed his inspiration to the rhyme wrote at that moment:

Qui le croirait! on dit,
qu'irrités contre l'heure
De nouveaux Josués
au pied de chaque tour,
Tiraient sur les cadrans
pour arrêter le jour.

[Who would've thought! As though
Angered by time’s way
The new Joshuas
Beneath each tower, they say
Fired at the dials
To stop the day.]