Racist bus rant woman?

[The Idler]

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[Yuppie Grinder]

if someone talked to me like that on the bus i'd fucking destroy their ego
dude's impressively chill and reasonable, i couldn't be like that in his situation

[ed miliband]

ew charlie vietch ew

[l'Enfermé]

"Scarf full of spunk" "Are you an Arab? You're fucking white you silly ****"

Damn, I miss the UK :(

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

That man must be a zen master. If someone was running their mouth at me like that, I couldn't be calm like that.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

ew charlie vietch ew

Who is it?

[Zealot]

Who is it?

I think he's an anarcho-capitalist who used to be involved with promoting conspiracy theories but now spends most of his time on the street ranting about Britain becoming the new "Communist China".

[GoddessCleoLover]

Wasn't that Charlie Veitch on the Youtube video with that foul-mouthed bigot?

[The Idler]

Wasn't that Charlie Veitch on the Youtube video with that foul-mouthed bigot?
Welcome to the party.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Love how the silly bint's getting all worked up over being filmed - maybe if she wasn't acting like such a massive fucking dickhead it wouldn't be happening in the first place?

Personally, I'm all in favour of the public humiliation of idiot racists.

[Vanguard1917]

What's with this trend of taping people on public transport committing speech crimes?

Narks.

[The Idler]

Its all the rage.

[#FF0000]

What's with this trend of taping people on public transport committing speech crimes?

Narks.

this is harassment tho

plus boo hoo someone saying dumb shit getting put on youtube boo hoo abloobloobloo

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

What's with this trend of taping people on public transport committing speech crimes?

Narks.

Nah.

What she's doing in the video isn't a crime - although if a charge were being made on the basis of this video, she could be doing attempted theft. That doesn't seem to be what actually concerns her, though. She seems more concerned about the possibility of her words reaching an unintended audience.

I wonder why... ?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

She's an idiot and a homophobe and potentially racist, but he's basically just sought her out and fooled her (cos Charlie Veitch is like, soooo intelligent) stupid ass into making ridiculous comments.

I don't really have much time for smart asses like that. What's he trying to achieve? All he's shown is that some white workign class people in this UK have racist, homophobic attitudes. So fucking what? It's not like we didn't knwo that. It's like he's takign his camera around to just laugh at them for being backwards, ignorant and working class and, you know, not enlightened and shit.

Whilst I will happily condemn this stupid woman's views, I don't really like the angle of this little film. Strikes me as hugely condescending and is pretty piss poor, middle class liberal propaganda.

[Rugged Collectivist]

What's with this trend of taping people on public transport committing speech crimes?

Narks.

Serves her right for saying dumb shit in public. If you don't want to share your views don't share your views.

Simple.

[#FF0000]

Whilst I will happily condemn this stupid woman's views, I don't really like the angle of this little film. Strikes me as hugely condescending and is pretty piss poor, middle class liberal propaganda.

Yeah I think I agree. I think whipping out a camera when someone's saying dumb shit to you is fine and good but he's sort of baiting this dummy along.

Then again

I think I'd do the same because that shit is funny.

But this video wasn't very funny.

So hm.

[Vanguard1917]

I don't really have much time for smart asses like that. What's he trying to achieve? All he's shown is that some white workign class people in this UK have racist, homophobic attitudes. So fucking what? It's not like we didn't knwo that. It's like he's takign his camera around to just laugh at them for being backwards, ignorant and working class and, you know, not enlightened and shit.

Whilst I will happily condemn this stupid woman's views, I don't really like the angle of this little film. Strikes me as hugely condescending and is pretty piss poor, middle class liberal propaganda.

Well said. I would add only that someone who would so casually upload a video such as that on the internet, knowing full well that it could lead to a police investigation, does not possess even a most elementary level of working-class political consciousness. Trust such a man at your peril.

[Philosophos]

Why did I watch it??? Now I want to have a fight with her :( AND I CAN'T BECAUSE WE ARE TOO FAR!!!

[Beeth]

Well said. I would add only that someone who would so casually upload a video such as that on the internet, knowing full well that it could lead to a police investigation, does not possess even a most elementary level of working-class political consciousness. Trust such a man at your peril.

So one should defend reactionary workers?

[Hiero]

What does "scarf full of spunk" mean?

[Vanguard1917]

So one should defend reactionary workers?

One should not turn them in to the police.

[Beeth]

One should not turn them in to the police.

What would you have us do, then?

[Vanguard1917]

What would you have us do, then?

A 'Trot' should know the answer to this. The problem of backward views in the working class isn't solved by getting the police involved.

[GoddessCleoLover]

Perhaps she is petit-bourgeois rather than proletarian. I wouldn't turn her in to the police since IMO the police are a greater enemy than a garden-variety bigot whatever her class origin.

[Luc]

What does "scarf full of spunk" mean?

could be anything by context since i cant see the first page but literally it means a scarf covered in dried semen/sperm...

[Beeth]

A 'Trot' should know the answer to this. The problem of backward views in the working class isn't solved by getting the police involved.

What else is a person supposed to do, then? Please share, thanks.

[Luc]

What else is a person supposed to do, then? Please share, thanks.

kick 'em off the bus, ignore them, punch them. there's lots

oh and in the case of class consciousness and stuff: education

[Ravachol]

Regardless of the points others made, he does remain pretty calm and has a degree of swag.

[Beeth]

kick 'em off the bus, ignore them, punch them. there's lots

oh and in the case of class consciousness and stuff: education

So we must start educating them on the bus while they are at it?

[Luc]

So we must start educating them on the bus while they are at it?

Yes :rolleyes:

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

So we must start educating them on the bus while they are at it?

Maybe you could sell them a paper?

[o well this is ok I guess]

What would you have us do, then? It involves a dark alley and an 8-ball in a sock.

[#FF0000]

8-balls are expensive and leave marks. loose change in a sock does the job too but oranges are surprisingly effective at slapping someone's shit and leaving negligible bruising.

[Luc]

8-balls are expensive and leave marks. loose change in a sock does the job too but oranges are surprisingly effective at slapping someone's shit and leaving negligible bruising.

I think phonebooks too as well but that might just be in trailer park boys :unsure:

[Hiero]

I have heard white working class people are just horrible in general.

[GoddessCleoLover]

I hope that some of you are joking. I don't beat women, even class enemies, never have and never will.

[brigadista]

she would have kept quiet if there were a lot of black people on the bus unless she was are drunk etc - and she did appear to be in some sort of state

racists in the UK tend to presume that other white people agree with them and get facety

[hetz]

I don't beat women, even class enemies, never have and never will. Of course you don't. Shit, sometimes RL really makes me sad.
Men beating women are the worst scum.

Also why does this shit even deserve a thread? Some drunken idiot spewed racist crap on a bus. This happens at least 10 times a day in England.
What's there to discuss, for fucks sake?


I have heard white working class people are just horrible in general. It's a good thing you never have to deal with them.

[GoddessCleoLover]

I agree with Hetz. There is less to this thread than meets the eye.

[#FF0000]

It's a good thing you never have to deal with them.

p. sure he was jokin.

[o well this is ok I guess]

I hope that some of you are joking. I don't beat women, even class enemies, never have and never will. I am not really joking. I don't see what's wrong with beating up racists, regardless of gender.

[#FF0000]

I am not really joking. I don't see what's wrong with beating up racists, regardless of gender.

eh.

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[Hermes]

Isn't refusing to beat up women a sign of patriarchy anyway?

i.e. they're too weak to fight back, we have to protect them (damsel in distress, etc)

I don't really see why they wouldn't be held to the same standards?

--

(readily admitting I might be incredibly wrong, in advance)

[GoddessCleoLover]

Isn't refusing to beat up women a sign of patriarchy anyway?

i.e. they're too weak to fight back, we have to protect them (damsel in distress, etc)

I don't really see why they wouldn't be held to the same standards?

--

(readily admitting I might be incredibly wrong, in advance)

Not trying be patriarchal, but there has to be a better way of dealing with the situation than administering a beating.

[Marxaveli]

In general I am very much against hitting women unless I need to defend myself, but she also got in this guys face big time and violated his space and "comfort zone". I don't know about anyone else here, but the minute someone enters the space within the distance of my arms length and they are clearly hostile, a signal goes off in my head that a physical confrontation is very likely to take place. This guy played it very cool. I would have certainly spoken to her in a manner and used words that would get me restricted or banned if I said them here. People have a right to their personal space and this lady was clearly violating his.

[GoddessCleoLover]

I am glad that Mr. Veitch played it cool. No need to stoop to her level.

[hetz]

Isn't refusing to beat up women a sign of patriarchy anyway?
Oh god.

[Hermes]

Oh god.

Could you explain why I'm wrong, though? (not being sarcastic or saying this to try and make an argument, I'm genuinely confused)

I'm not saying that, in this particular situation, a beating would have been the most effective way to resolve it. But in a situation where it would, shouldn't it be regardless of gender? (which is what I was responding to, and the post I probably should have quoted, where #FF0000 was quoting o well this is ok I guess)

I remember someone earlier on here that was wavering on whether or not he should condemn a man who was defending himself against his spouse/girlfriend, solely because she was a woman.

[Rugged Collectivist]

I hope that some of you are joking. I don't beat women, even class enemies, never have and never will.


Of course you don't. Shit, sometimes RL really makes me sad.
Men beating women are the worst scum.


In general I am very much against hitting women unless I need to defend myself

Yeah! Women are so fragile and helpless. :rolleyes:

[o well this is ok I guess]

Not trying be patriarchal, but there has to be a better way of dealing with the situation than administering a beating. There probably is
But let's not discount beatings entirely.

[brigadista]

choose your battles ffs

[Hiero]

Only on revleft would a discussion about a racist and homophobic tirade turn into an ethics debate on bashing a women with an 8 ball in a sock.

[GoddessCleoLover]

Even if it is only the internet, beating a woman (or a man for that matter) with an 8 ball in a sock isn't something we ought to advocate, is it? She can't really be compared to some Stormtrooper on parade or some marching Squadristi. She is just some foolish bigot. An eight ball in a sock would be quite disproportionate to the "threat" she poses IMO.

[Althusser]

There are certain moments when I come to terms with the idea of forced labor and re-education camps.

[Althusser]

Isn't refusing to beat up women a sign of patriarchy anyway?

i.e. they're too weak to fight back, we have to protect them (damsel in distress, etc)

I don't really see why they wouldn't be held to the same standards?

--

(readily admitting I might be incredibly wrong, in advance)

Agreed 100%. We all about that gender equality. *shit-eating grin*

[Devrim]

If I had been on the bus I think I would have told the woman to stop talking such shit, and then smashed the guy's camera. Don't people think he comes across as a pompus middle class wanker?

Devrim

[brigadista]

If I had been on the bus I think I would have told the woman to stop talking such shit, and then smashed the guy's camera. Don't people think he comes across as a pompus middle class wanker?

Devrim

yes

[newdayrising]

She sounds like a female and racist version of Mani from The Stone Roses. She's probably a very unpleasant, annoying person to say the least, but I love her accent.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Only on revleft would a discussion about a racist and homophobic tirade turn into an ethics debate on bashing a women with an 8 ball in a sock.

8-ball? I thought we were using an orange?

[Luís Henrique]

8-ball? I thought we were using an orange?

Ah, more a split among the left. Eightballists reject orangeism as objectively reactionary.

Luís Henrique