Bourgeoisification of working-class children

[Comrade #138672]

We live in an advanced Capitalist society in which Consumerism is heavily utilized to cope with overproduction. I'm wondering what kind of effect that would have on working-class children. To me it seems that even working-class children these days are 'spoiled', sometimes even at the expense of their parents.

Do you think that the extreme Consumerism in our modern society causes the bourgeoisification of children and therefore feeds false consciousness?

[Raúl Duke]

Do you think that the extreme Consumerism in our modern society causes the bourgeoisification of children and therefore feeds false consciousness?

Depends on what is meant by "bourgeoisification." Consumerism doesn't really change one's class status but out there are quite a few theories on how consumerism, etc creates false consciousness.

[Comrade #138672]

Depends on what is meant by "bourgeoisification." Consumerism doesn't really change one's class status but out there are quite a few theories on how consumerism, etc creates false consciousness.By bourgeoisification I mean feeding the false (bourgeois) consciousness without actually becoming bourgeois.

[GoddessCleoLover]

Embourgeoisment. It is all part of the cultural hegemony of the ruling class.

[Sir Comradical]

Yes of course. One example is that workers are made to think of themselves as consumers of products and not as producers or workers.

[piet11111]

*how can i be poor ? if i always get what i want when i want it ?*

Yeah i sort of agree with the OP that children grow up with no understanding of work money or personal responsibility and a hugely inflated sense of entitlement.

I really think young teenagers would be much better off if they where taught what it really means to be an adult and having to manage your money and stuff like taxes and insurance.
I was not taught shit about this and even though i manage i really think i would have been better off if i was made more aware of such things.

[Tenka]

Yeah children need to be more fiscally responsible. What, do they think they won't have to work for a wage to live when they grow up? Those bourgeoisified little twerps; ought to be made to do various chores for an allowance from the moment they can walk, and taught how to save, and to live within their means.

[Let's Get Free]

Well, we have a society where the possibility of working class solidarity based on communal experience is replaced with the narrowest sort of self interest-material concern, which, with the loss of any class solidarity, atomizes into individual competition.

[Astarte]

Marcuse wrote about something called "false needs" - these are the abundant, accessible and superfluous consumer-goods in advanced industrial and post industrial capitalist/imperialist societies which act as a diversion and means of day to day placation as well as reinforcement of the one-dimensional and all embracing atmosphere of the society in totality which bourgeois society itself consciously seeks to create in order to discredit any serious alternative.

[piet11111]

Yeah children need to be more fiscally responsible. What, do they think they won't have to work for a wage to live when they grow up? Those bourgeoisified little twerps; ought to be made to do various chores for an allowance from the moment they can walk, and taught how to save, and to live within their means.


Children should live a care free life as much as possible but sometimes the parents shelter their children to such an extent that they are completely unprepared for adult life.

To an extent this happened to me as well.

[Avanti]

We live in an advanced Capitalist society in which Consumerism is heavily utilized to cope with overproduction. I'm wondering what kind of effect that would have on working-class children. To me it seems that even working-class children these days are 'spoiled', sometimes even at the expense of their parents.

Do you think that the extreme Consumerism in our modern society causes the bourgeoisification of children and therefore feeds false consciousness?

consumerism

doesn't cause "bourgeoisification"

most working class people

that i know

are using most of their money

to go to the pub

buy tv's

or bluerays

or dogs

those who are bourgeoisified

are those who move up

the class ladder

to become middle class people

and in lots of western countries

the middle class

or petty bourgeoisie

are 30-40%

of the entire population

they are not

so very much

consuming stuff

as consuming

a life-style

their kids

have to have white teeth

and read french

and be in a sports club

and they have to

read liberal newspapers

with market analyses

and invest in stocks

and dream

of their kids

earning more

than they did

they are self-restrained

because

that is a part

of the game

of the life-style

they are role-playing

they are consuming

[thälmann]

i think even in middle europe this is not the problem of the lower, and broader sections of the working class, thats the reason why it is the primary area where to work in imperialist countries.

[Avanti]

i think even in middle europe this is not the problem of the lower, and broader sections of the working class, thats the reason why it is the primary area where to work in imperialist countries.

i applaud

your idealism

but

think it is

misguided

most

working class people

i know

hate the lumpens

more than they hate

the wealthy

also

they are mostly

interested

in going to the pub

at the end

of every month

[Flying Purple People Eater]

i applaud

your idealism

but

think it is

misguided

most

working class people

i know

hate the lumpens

more than they hate

the wealthy

also

they are mostly

interested

in going to the pub

at the end

of every month
Nothing wrong with the pub.

[Avanti]

no

nothing wrong with it

but if that's your

main

interest

and you are

happy

with your lot

in life

you won't be radical

marx said

the workers have nothing

to lose

except

their chains

that's wrong today

in western europe

they have lots to lose

especially if they

form families early

[Flying Purple People Eater]

no

nothing wrong with it

but if that's your

main

interest

and you are

happy

with your lot

in life

you won't be radical

marx said

the workers have nothing

to lose

except

their chains

that's wrong today

in western europe

they have lots to lose

especially if they

form families early
The family

can take control

over the means of chains production

so that we

can just stop producing

chains

and

start producing wings

[Avanti]

yes

it can

but it won't

because

the chains

are also

inside

their minds

they must

de-programme

before

they can rise up

and

when a worker

turns 20

to 22

and forms

a family

it's almost

too late

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

This is an issue of major importance. Bourgeois indoctrination is much more all-reaching than it was, say, a century or more ago, and this makes it even harder for revolutionaries to organize against the bourgeois system.

[Avanti]

it's not only bourgeois indoctrination

we have it too comfortable today

i myself

is a shadow of myself

one decade ago