View Full Version : Is the origin of the word 'racism' from Trotksy's work?
Robespierres Neck
25th November 2012, 00:34
This guy...
ttguCMBy1Jw
claims the word 'racism' (published for the first time, at least) comes from Leon Trotksy's History of the Russian Revolution. Does anyone know if this is true?
l'Enfermé
25th November 2012, 00:52
I own all 3 volumes and as far as I remember the term never comes up at all. Racism as a concept, in English, was coined as "racialism", in the early 20th century I think. The French "racisme" has a longer history though.
Workers-Control-Over-Prod
25th November 2012, 00:56
This guy...
ttguCMBy1Jw
claims the word 'racism' (published for the first time, at least) comes from Leon Trotksy's History of the Russian Revolution. Does anyone know if this is true?
I just had the misfortune of running into a Fascist as well who claimed the same thing. So what? Whether Discrimination against persons with varying melanin levels is called "Racism" or "Blackbeanhat" makes no difference.
bad ideas actualised by alcohol
25th November 2012, 01:09
As I said to you on skype.
I think the translator probably deserves more credit for the term, if it does come from the work.
l'Enfermé
25th November 2012, 01:25
Yeah, I just checked it out. "Racism" does not appear in either the English translation nor the original. But Trotsky says "racists" once, on page 5 chapter 1:
Slavophilism, the messianism of backwardness, has based its philosophy upon the assumption
that the Russian people and their church are democratic through and through,
whereas official Russia is a German bureaucracy imposed upon them by Peter the Great.
Mark remarked upon this theme: “In the same way the Teutonic jackasses blamed the
despotism of Frederick the Second upon the French, as though backward slaves were not
always in need of civilised slaves to train them.” This brief comment completely finishes
off not only the old philosophy of the Slavophiles, but also the latest revelations of the
“Racists.”
He didn't invent it, though. Both "racism" and "racist" have been around since the late 19th century in French and the Anglo-Saxons borrowed it in the beginning of the 20th century.
The word "racist" was coined by a French journalist, editor of an anti-semitic journal launched by his mentor, a famous French anti-semite, Edouard Drumont(author of the popular pamplhet La France Juive, where he makes the case that Jews are inferior semites and Frenchmen are superior Aryans and that Jews control all the banks and capitalism is a Jewish conspiracy and they killed Jesus and the Rothschilds are the anti-christ and such nonsense).
l'Enfermé
25th November 2012, 01:26
Yeah, I just checked it out. "Racism" does not appear in either the English translation nor the original. But Trotsky says "racists" once, on page 5 chapter 1:
Slavophilism, the messianism of backwardness, has based its philosophy upon the assumption
that the Russian people and their church are democratic through and through,
whereas official Russia is a German bureaucracy imposed upon them by Peter the Great.
Mark remarked upon this theme: “In the same way the Teutonic jackasses blamed the
despotism of Frederick the Second upon the French, as though backward slaves were not
always in need of civilised slaves to train them.” This brief comment completely finishes
off not only the old philosophy of the Slavophiles, but also the latest revelations of the
“Racists.”
He didn't invent it, though. Both "racism" and "racist" have been around since the late 19th century in French and the Anglo-Saxons borrowed it in the beginning of the 20th century.
The word "racist" was coined by a French journalist, editor of an anti-semitic journal launched by his mentor, a famous French anti-semite, Edouard Drumont(author of the popular pamplhet La France Juive, where he makes the case that Jews are inferior semites and Frenchmen are superior Aryans and that Jews control all the banks and capitalism is a Jewish conspiracy and they killed Jesus and the Rothschilds are the anti-christ and such nonsense).
Rafiq
25th November 2012, 03:57
He basically takes advantage of the fact that it's a vague term, apparently we can't define it. Fucking moron, just by the way he talks I'd slap that clown upside the head. I mean replace the word "racism" with anything and his "argument" still works.
*Edit: apparently racism is defined by a generalization of people based on anything, not:
" a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"
Any Dictionary
Racism attributes behavioral tendancies to groups. But the term itself is very usely utilized against chauvinists, bigots, etc. It's taken too literally by this RACIST asshole.
LuÃs Henrique
27th November 2012, 00:46
...makes the case that Jews are inferior semites and Frenchmen are superior Aryans and that Jews control all the banks and capitalism is a Jewish conspiracy...
I find it fascinating how, according to these guys, the inferior races always dominate the superior ones.
Luís Henrique
GoddessCleoLover
27th November 2012, 00:56
Only because of the international Jewish-Bolshevik conspiracy. :rolleyes: This is where Trotsky fits into the picture.:huh:
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