David Icke

[Beeth]

What do you think of him? He doesn't make much money by selling his questionable theories, so what to make of it?

[Blake's Baby]

He was a minor sportsman turned commentator, who had a nervious breakdown and now has paranoid delusions, I think (rather than 'he's making it all up for money'). If he hadn't already been known to the media in the UK, it's difficult to see why his mix of space-alien nonsense with anti-semitic conspiracy theory shit would have become popular. I'm sure he makes enough to be physically comfortable, though I doubt that he's mentally very stable.

[Beeth]

He was a minor sportsman turned commentator, who had a nervious breakdown and now has paranoid delusions, I think (rather than 'he's making it all up for money'). If he hadn't already been known to the media in the UK, it's difficult to see why his mix of space-alien nonsense with anti-semitic conspiracy theory shit would have become popular. I'm sure he makes enough to be physically comfortable, though I doubt that he's mentally very stable.

Anti semitism is a serious allegation. Do you have proof?

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Anti semitism is a serious allegation. Do you have proof?

Are you kidding me? Rothschilds, it's all classic "Jewish family" pastiches, except Icke tries to say it isn't because - well the problem, he says, isn't that they happen to be jewish, it's that they are BABYLONIAN BROTHERHOOD REPTILES HURRRHURRR 28,000 YEARS GO HUMAN-ALIEN HYBRIDS, all of which came to in Icke's fragile little mind because he was 1. on some hard drugs and 2. reading really inaccurate and stupid occult books by century-debunked arseholes and watched V and They Live one too many times.

Also he cites Protocols, lol.

(By the way, Icke charges pretty heavily for his 11 hour speech tours that appeal to all sorts of weirdos, so I think he's making quite the comfortable living off it.)

[Comrade #138672]

Anti semitism is a serious allegation. Do you have proof?I don't think he would say that he hates the Jews and I'm not sure if he does, but his theory is in some ways quite anti-Semitic.

What he basically believes is: Debt = Bankers = Judaism = Zionism = Freemasonry = Illuminati = Reptilians = The Matrix. Makes the Jews look kind of suspicious.

Alex Jones is just like him. He says that Obama = Muslim = Illuminati = Jewish Bolshevism.

[GerrardWinstanley]

He is dreadful, but he cuts such a ridiculous caricature of a conspiracy theorist, he is almost difficult to criticise... and that, I think, is the secret to his success. I have to admit to knowing a couple of people who dig him... I don't know what that says about me.

I think in times like this when hundreds of people have finally had the courage to come forward and talk about institutionalised child abuse, Icke's crackpot theories about a world rules by "paedophile rings" is unhelpful at best.

It made me laugh to find out he was a former spokesperson for the Green Party though. What surefire way of berieving your party of every last trace of credibility.

[Vanguard1917]

He was a minor sportsman turned commentator, who had a nervious breakdown and now has paranoid delusions, I think (rather than 'he's making it all up for money'). If he hadn't already been known to the media in the UK, it's difficult to see why his mix of space-alien nonsense with anti-semitic conspiracy theory shit would have become popular. I'm sure he makes enough to be physically comfortable, though I doubt that he's mentally very stable.

Yeah, he played in goal for Coventry City and Northampton Town. Enough to drive anyone mad.

[Agathor]

It made me laugh to find out he was a former spokesperson for the Green Party though. What surefire way of berieving your party of every last trace of credibility.

They got rid of him after he went mad.

[Dazdra Flynn]

It frustrates me to think that the world has the power to help this man medically. Is it that he refuses care?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Visited his website and was quite surprised at how slick and professional it was compared to most conspiracy websites I've seen. I wonder why that is?


It frustrates me to think that the world has the power to help this man medically. Is it that he refuses care?

Even if he is mentally ill (which seems likely but not a dead certainty), he may be refusing treatment.

If I remember correctly, as a UK national/resident he has that option, unless a court decides he presents a danger to others.

I don't think forcible institutionalisation has a very good history.

[Blake's Baby]

Anti semitism is a serious allegation. Do you have proof?

I didn't 'allege' that he was anti-semitic, I said that anti-semtic conspiracy theory shit was part of his world-view. Go read his stuff about the Rothschild Banking Lizards. I think it's pretty well established that this is serious anti-semitic shit going on, any serious commentator on conspiracy theories I think would agree. For instance, he continually cites the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion', which as we know was a forgery cooked up by the Okhrana (Tsarist Secret Police) in 1903.

[Dazdra Flynn]

I don't think forcible institutionalisation has a very good history.

It has a poor track record, yes, but how much worse can we make a guy who blames everything on socialist reptile Jewmasons?

[Blake's Baby]

We can convince him that anyone wanting to help him is a socialist reptile Jewmason.

But even so, it's not up to us to 'fix' the deluded, or we might as well start kidnapping and brainwashing the entire Catholic Church and all its adherents. Then what about the Stalinists? Do we reprogramme them?

[GoddessCleoLover]

The guy seems repulsive but forced hospitalization is odious and reminiscent of the bad old days of the former USSR.

[Dazdra Flynn]

Then what about the Stalinists? Do we reprogramme them?

That was awfully petty of you, don't you think?


The guy seems repulsive but forced hospitalization is odious and reminiscent of the bad old days of the former USSR.

I understand that imposing a standard of a "correct" mental state has dangerous implications, but to what extent can an obviously very, very ill man be considered competent enough to legally refuse treatment?

[Blake's Baby]

That was awfully petty of you, don't you think?
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Seriously? You think he's deluded and believe that forced psychological reprogramming is the answer.

I think you're deluded, and ask if you think it would be right to advocate forced sychological reprogramming, and you think I'm petty? I'm not the one who wants other people carted off to the psychiatric hospital, pal.

[Yazman]

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[Avanti]

his theories

are too complex

they should be kept

simple and vague

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

i once met a conspiracy theorist who told me that david icke was actually a puppet for the powers that be, to distract us from the real world order.

lol, david icke as a part of the conspiracy.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

How is David Icke himself able tp remain untouched and apparently unscathed by his fearless reportage concerning our reptiloid overlords? Wouldn't they arrange to have some "accident" befall him?

Also, does Icke have an actual following? I know people who are "into" his stuff but don't take it the least but seriouisly.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

How is David Icke himself able tp remain untouched and apparently unscathed by his fearless reportage concerning our reptiloid overlords? Wouldn't they arrange to have some "accident" befall him?

Also, does Icke have an actual following? I know people who are "into" his stuff but don't take it the least but seriouisly.
he's just a puppet that the lizard overlords use to manipulate us into thinking that his ideas are worthy of ridicule, through portraying him negatively in the media (see lizard king 'terry wogan'). meanwhile, the illuminati

[jookyle]

The funniest part of these "alt community"/conspiracy community people is how pro-capitalism they are. And stories about lizard people and secret societies that use satanic power are basically used to say, "capitalism works, we just have these evil space alien demons that are ruining it for their own plan."

[ed miliband]

The funniest part of these "alt community"/conspiracy community people is how pro-capitalism they are. And stories about lizard people and secret societies that use satanic power are basically used to say, "capitalism works, we just have these evil space alien demons that are ruining it for their own plan."

what's interesting about that is the way it so often mirrors the "rational" arguments of social-democratic types, who think capitalism would function fine without "greedy bankers" or whatever.

[DasFapital]

I've always seen him as a British Alex Jones who has a large following that is mostly in it for the lulz. Jesse Ventura worries me slightly more because it seems like he may have enough credibility to build up a serious political following.

[Crux]

what's interesting about that is the way it so often mirrors the "rational" arguments of social-democratic types, who think capitalism would function fine without "greedy bankers" or whatever.
Yes, indeed. I also think that's why conspiracy theories are so popular among the libertarian crowd in the U.S. If there's a crony capitalism some people have got to be the cronies right? And I mean space lizard jew free mason over there sure looks mighty suspicious...

[Hexen]

what's interesting about that is the way it so often mirrors the "rational" arguments of social-democratic types, who think capitalism would function fine without "greedy bankers" or whatever.

It's the Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum effect. They only want to replace the current capitalist system with their capitalist system but workers continue to suffer in the end because they're basically the same thing.

Ironically, their ideal capitalist system will inevitably morph into the current capitalist system today which shows that they're only making a fool out of themselves.

[enlightened_ape2112]

I have his book And The Truth Shall Set You Free. In addition to believing in shape-shifting reptile aliens (which interested me since I'm a fan of sci-fi) he denies evolution and global warming and despite having been involved with the Green party argues for a lot of regressive economic policies. He's not as bad as Alex Jones who absolutely can't stand but he is in the same territory. Plus he adds all this new age oprah the secret mysticism bullshit in to his work about the law of attraction and you create your own reality which to me was the most repulsive part of his book.

[Yazman]

I have his book And The Truth Shall Set You Free. In addition to believing in shape-shifting reptile aliens (which interested me since I'm a fan of sci-fi) he denies evolution and global warming and despite having been involved with the Green party argues for a lot of regressive economic policies. He's not as bad as Alex Jones who absolutely can't stand but he is in the same territory. Plus he adds all this new age oprah the secret mysticism bullshit in to his work about the law of attraction and you create your own reality which to me was the most repulsive part of his book.

Alex Jones doesn't bother me all that much but he is pretty populist. He will get anybody on his show who is popular, even if he disagrees with them on some issue, he'll still get them on. He has routinely gotten leftists on his show before - good examples of this are KRS-One and Noam Chomsky. I get the feeling Jones is primarily interested in his "new world order" thing which he sees as a conspiracy for power by a ruling class consisting of powerful businessmen and politicians. Talking about this is 90% of his airtime, and while he does get some ridiculous people on there - he's had climate change deniers, he's had religious people, but like I said on the flipside he's also had the complete opposite. He's had guys like KRS-One and Chomsky on before. I get the feeling Jones doesn't really believe most of the shit some of his guests think either, but has them on for either a) populism or b) one specific aspect of what they're known for. For a conspiracy guy, he seems to be pretty, what we would call, "non-sectarian" in that he often has people on that he doesn't agree with for the sake of exploring a political point that he holds mutual ground with them on, even if he does rant at a guest every now and then over something they said that he doesn't like.
I consider him to be fairly benign though as he doesn't have a lot of the wacked out views that a lot of the other conspiracy guys do - he isn't anti-semitic, doesn't think aliens or reptiles are part of a conspiracy, he isn't pushing some stupid religious shit, etc. So as far as people in the conspiracy crowd go, I can tolerate Alex Jones. As far as weird shit goes more often than not it's his guests responsible for that. Jones usually just sits there fuming about the authoritarian new world order and how evil the ruling class is, and while i don't agree that there's a conspiracy, I know a lot of revolutionary leftists who became revolutionary leftists by listening to that stuff.

For somebody like David Icke - what blows my mind is how popular he is considering the nature of some of his views. Unlike Jones this guy really does have some strange ideas. He's talked about reality being like The Matrix before as well I believe. And he's not just popular in the UK. He's popular everywhere. He can draw crowds of thousands. I know for a fact that he has drawn crowds of that size in Canada and Australia.

[Crux]

Alex Jones doesn't bother me all that much but he is pretty populist. He will get anybody on his show who is popular, even if he disagrees with them on some issue, he'll still get them on. He has routinely gotten leftists on his show before - good examples of this are KRS-One and Noam Chomsky. I get the feeling Jones is primarily interested in his "new world order" thing which he sees as a conspiracy for power by a ruling class consisting of powerful businessmen and politicians. Talking about this is 90% of his airtime, and while he does get some ridiculous people on there - he's had climate change deniers, he's had religious people, but like I said on the flipside he's also had the complete opposite. He's had guys like KRS-One and Chomsky on before. I get the feeling Jones doesn't really believe most of the shit some of his guests think either, but has them on for either a) populism or b) one specific aspect of what they're known for. For a conspiracy guy, he seems to be pretty, what we would call, "non-sectarian" in that he often has people on that he doesn't agree with for the sake of exploring a political point that he holds mutual ground with them on, even if he does rant at a guest every now and then over something they said that he doesn't like.
I consider him to be fairly benign though as he doesn't have a lot of the wacked out views that a lot of the other conspiracy guys do - he isn't anti-semitic, doesn't think aliens or reptiles are part of a conspiracy, he isn't pushing some stupid religious shit, etc. So as far as people in the conspiracy crowd go, I can tolerate Alex Jones. As far as weird shit goes more often than not it's his guests responsible for that. Jones usually just sits there fuming about the authoritarian new world order and how evil the ruling class is, and while i don't agree that there's a conspiracy, I know a lot of revolutionary leftists who became revolutionary leftists by listening to that stuff.

For somebody like David Icke - what blows my mind is how popular he is considering the nature of some of his views. Unlike Jones this guy really does have some strange ideas. He's talked about reality being like The Matrix before as well I believe. And he's not just popular in the UK. He's popular everywhere. He can draw crowds of thousands. I know for a fact that he has drawn crowds of that size in Canada and Australia.
Alex Jones benign? Pff he's the indie-Glenn Beck and should be treated as such.

[Devrim]

Isn't David Icke some sort of working class hero? Didn't he get sacked from his job for refusing to pay the Poll Tax? ;)

Devrim

[Futility Personified]

David Icke is basically either mentally ill, or in the same vein as mediums and faith healers - exploitative of people susceptible to nonsense. My brother began to formulate anti-capitalist sentiments, was considering going to a few socialist meetings (unsure if he would've followed up on that though) before he read Icke's rubbish. Now a good hearted soul, with a previously good anti-capitalist viewpoint is bound up in NWO and "capitalism is fine it's just the bilderbergs who are evil" mindset.