"Tactical Medic"

[The Machine]

So I'm studying to go into Emergency Medical Services and I've realized that my main area of interest essentially "combat medicine" for lack of a better term. Now if Air Force Pararescue (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM_agSHTP8U) were taking anyone for indoctrination other than prior service AF people, political principles be damned, I'd do that shit in a minute, but the opportunity in my area is being a "tactical medic" or a medic for the SWAT Team. Essentially civilian firefighters get certified to be the team's medic and do that on their overtime. Obviously my politics being what they are I've got my hang ups about it, and it's purely hypothetical but given the opportunity I don't know what I'd do. The knee jerk reaction that I have, that I expect from most of you, is of course "Fuck that you wanna be a pig". On the other hand if I go the paramedic route, which I already plan to do, I'll be working with cops all the time, yet I have yet to hear even the most radical anarchist say "Fuck the fire department". A role as a civilian on the SWAT team would be complex, but as a paramedic you would already respond to the same kind scene, you just wouldn't be on the front lines of it. So revleft whats your opinion on this position and a leftist taking it? And by any chance any of you are in EMS community, do you know of any positions or career paths where your scope of practice is the same but the line between EMS and law enforcement isn't so shaky?

Oh btw once I get my basic I'm planning to come out of moonbat retirement and volunteer as street medic and that happening is a lot more likely than me getting the position I described above so dont flame me you fucks.

[Avanti]

valuable experiences

can be found

in the most unexpected of places

the future lost children

will need medics

and former warriors

you must be aware

that you'll serve

as a servant

of Babylon

evil manifested on Earth

[The Machine]

i was also once a rastafarian

[Avanti]

i am not a rastafarian

i am the technoshamanist

[Avanti]

the point is

combat medicine

is useful

in autonomous communities

serve Babylon

but use your knowledge

to help

the lost children

after you've done

whatever you've done

[Os Cangaceiros]

That guy Nachie (founder of RAAN) is a paramedic. I think he's some kind of first-responder based out of a hospital or something. You could ask him some questions over on RAAN's website I guess.

[Ele'ill]

So I'm studying to go into Emergency Medical Services and I've realized that my main area of interest essentially "combat medicine" for lack of a better term. Now if Air Force Pararescue (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM_agSHTP8U) were taking anyone for indoctrination other than prior service AF people, political principles be damned, I'd do that shit in a minute, but the opportunity in my area is being a "tactical medic" or a medic for the SWAT Team. Essentially civilian firefighters get certified to be the team's medic and do that on their overtime. Obviously my politics being what they are I've got my hang ups about it, and it's purely hypothetical but given the opportunity I don't know what I'd do. The knee jerk reaction that I have, that I expect from most of you, is of course "Fuck that you wanna be a pig". On the other hand if I go the paramedic route, which I already plan to do, I'll be working with cops all the time, yet I have yet to hear even the most radical anarchist say "Fuck the fire department". A role as a civilian on the SWAT team would be complex, but as a paramedic you would already respond to the same kind scene, you just wouldn't be on the front lines of it. So revleft whats your opinion on this position and a leftist taking it? And by any chance any of you are in EMS community, do you know of any positions or career paths where your scope of practice is the same but the line between EMS and law enforcement isn't so shaky?

Oh btw once I get my basic I'm planning to come out of moonbat retirement and volunteer as street medic and that happening is a lot more likely than me getting the position I described above so dont flame me you fucks.

Pretty sure there's a difference between being a paramedic treating the population day to day and someone directly attached specifically to a team of murderous pigs. I would do paramedic instead I think there's a huge difference.

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

Pretty sure there's a difference between being a paramedic treating the population day to day and someone directly attached specifically to a team of murderous pigs. I would do paramedic instead I think there's a huge difference.

Go with what gives you the most skill and pay than distribute it amongst the collective.

[The Machine]

Pretty sure there's a difference between being a paramedic treating the population day to day and someone directly attached specifically to a team of murderous pigs. I would do paramedic instead I think there's a huge difference.

swat medics are regular paramedics who have special clearance to go in with the swat team during a situation where they're called in basically.for me i dont see a difference morally between going in with a swat team during say a hostage situation and treating patients there versus essentially responding to the aftermath of the same situation in a more limited capacity, and i dont think it really changes your class position.

[The Douche]

You wanna join the Air Force, the only reason you don't is cause you can't, so you want to be on a SWAT team instead?

Go fuck yourself.

[#FF0000]

Working directly with cops as a medic is a little shaky for me, imo. I know that as a paramedic or firefighter or some kind of emergency responder, you have to deal with cops as part of the job -- but I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

[The Machine]

You wanna join the Air Force, the only reason you don't is cause you can't, so you want to be on a SWAT team instead?

Go fuck yourself.

sorry that the pigs got the most badass medics i guess

[The Machine]

Working directly with cops as a medic is a little shaky for me, imo. I know that as a paramedic or firefighter or some kind of emergency responder, you have to deal with cops as part of the job -- but I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

yeah idk it puts you in a weird position but if you put aside your knee jerk reaction its hard to see how its worse than being a regular paramedic in any concrete way. idk this is all pretty much hypothetical at this point though.
i am interested to see how working with cops as a regular emt will shape my view on them, i've pretty much had the same simplistic "fuck the pigs" viewpoint since like 14 just from being a teenager and later a leftist and never really given it much thought. obviously from a socialist pov they serve the ruling class but i wonder if responding to the same shit as them and interacting with them in a way other than being a teenager doing dumb shit will make me see them any different on a personal level.

[Ele'ill]

yeah idk it puts you in a weird position but if you put aside your knee jerk reaction its hard to see how its worse than being a regular paramedic in any concrete way. idk this is all pretty much hypothetical at this point though.

no we pretty much nailed it but how's this

http://education-portal.com/articles/How_to_Become_a_SWAT_Medic_Education_and_Career_Ro admap.html


In the midst of hostile situations, law enforcement officers, civilians and even suspects may require emergency medical attention. Special weapons and tactics (SWAT) medics provide tactical medical care in situations that are often too dangerous for regular paramedics or ambulance workers. For example, if a SWAT team is under fire and one member gets wounded, a SWAT medic would stabilize the wounded team member while the rest of the SWAT team pursues the shooters.

SWAT medics are usually paramedics who have received specialized training in tactical medicine. Police officers may choose to obtain emergency medical training to become SWAT medics as well, but this article will only address the steps required for the paramedic route. To become a SWAT medic, individuals must complete emergency medical technician (EMT) training as well as paramedic training. EMTs and paramedics also have to go through certification and licensing processes. The following table highlights some of the common career qualifications necessary for becoming a SWAT medic:

and this


Experience Proven experience as a regular paramedic and some experience working with law enforcement as a first responder**


Key Skills Possess sympathy for patients, able to communicate clearly with team members, capable of listening to others, able to solve medical problems* and comfortable following directions from law enforcement**

The police don't care about people they've shot, accidentally or intentionally. You're there to make sure they can gun people down and get home at the end of the day. You care for cops.



i am interested to see how working with cops as a regular emt will shape my view on them, i've pretty much had the same simplistic "fuck the pigs" viewpoint since like 14 just from being a teenager and later a leftist and never really given it much thought. obviously from a socialist pov they serve the ruling class but i wonder if responding to the same shit as them and interacting with them in a way other than being a teenager doing dumb shit will make me see them any different on a personal level.

I really hope this whole thing is a big joke

[hetz]

Yeah the Machine is a soon-to-be-pig-medic and therefore a bad internet revolutionary and traitor.

[GiantMonkeyMan]

Be a normal paramedic and help normal people. Stick with your principles. Why the need to involve the cops more than necessary? :confused:

[l'Enfermé]

Oh no doctors in hospitals are dirty "pig"-collaborators too because they treat injured cops. Let's lynch them, people!
:laugh:

[The Machine]

no we pretty much nailed it but how's this

you havent nailed shit, platitudes about "murderous pigs" doesnt really add anything of substance to the discourse. you care for cops as a regular paramedic too, but to get this straight treating a cop right after he gets shot makes you a murderous pig but its cool if you give treatment to him on the ambulance ride to the hospital. or are all first responders traitors because they don't let cops die?


and this

Every first responder is taught that at the scene of an emergency where cops are present you take direction from cops. Every first responder works with cops. Swat medics are firefighters, not cops.



The police don't care about people they've shot, accidentally or intentionally. You're there to make sure they can gun people down and get home at the end of the day. You care for cops.


Yeah you know who else cares for cops is every first responder ever.



I really hope this whole thing is a big joke

What cause I think all cops might not be horrible people as people? I don't really know, pretty much every cop I've encountered has sucked but I've never worked with them in a professional capacity.

[The Machine]

id also just like to point out that the butthurt going on in this thread on a forum where a good chunk of the prominent members have openly stated that given the opportunity they would become capitalists to no negative response is kind of dumb.

[GiantMonkeyMan]

id also just like to point out that the butthurt going on in this thread on a forum where a good chunk of the prominent members have openly stated that given the opportunity they would become capitalists to no negative response is kind of dumb.
Maybe I don't quite understand the jobs you're suggesting but it sounds to me like you're restricting yourself to helping only cops. Why not be an 'ordinary' paramedic and help all sorts of people who might need you (including, occassionaly, cops)? Paramedics assisting cops have been known to be held back from helping the people who cops have shot/wounded etc on grounds of 'safety' leading to their unnecessary suffering and I wouldn't want a comrade to be a part of that.

[The Machine]

Maybe I don't quite understand the jobs you're suggesting but it sounds to me like you're restricting yourself to helping only cops. Why not be an 'ordinary' paramedic and help all sorts of people who might need you (including, occassionaly, cops)? Paramedics assisting cops have been known to be held back from helping the people who cops have shot/wounded etc on grounds of 'safety' leading to their unnecessary suffering and I wouldn't want a comrade to be a part of that.

Nah you assist cops and there victims, as well as being an "ordinary paramedic" on the side. Its essentially a side job to being a regular paramedic.

[#FF0000]

id also just like to point out that the butthurt going on in this thread on a forum where a good chunk of the prominent members have openly stated that given the opportunity they would become capitalists to no negative response is kind of dumb.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

this is a good point actually

[The Douche]

Look, fool, if you wanna live out your fantasy of being a combat medic, none of us can stop you. But what the fuck kind of answers did you expect from radicals when you told them you wanted to work with the cops?

No, we're not gonna tell you its ok, cause its not. So, do you, but don't pretend you can reconcile being a swat team medic with being a revolutionary.

I spent 6 years in various combat arms units of the army, and for every single day of those years I was acting as a class traitor. So don't bother with your bullshit justifications.

[Ele'ill]

you havent nailed shit, platitudes about "murderous pigs" doesnt really add anything of substance to the discourse. you care for cops as a regular paramedic too, but to get this straight treating a cop right after he gets shot makes you a murderous pig but its cool if you give treatment to him on the ambulance ride to the hospital. or are all first responders traitors because they don't let cops die?



Every first responder is taught that at the scene of an emergency where cops are present you take direction from cops. Every first responder works with cops. Swat medics are firefighters, not cops.





Yeah you know who else cares for cops is every first responder ever.




What cause I think all cops might not be horrible people as people? I don't really know, pretty much every cop I've encountered has sucked but I've never worked with them in a professional capacity.

time for a reality check on what you are going to be doing. You are not going to be 'some person that comes into combat situations and heals' that is a bunch of vague cop PR bullshit and honestly not even the coppers are pushing that to their target audience of future worker murdering scum.

http://news.tacticalpants.com/swat-paramedic-teams/


Medics throughout the country are being armed and trained for tactical defense situations to better protect themselves and the ones in need. This month Law Enforcement Technology’s feature “Medics with Guns” captured how these SWAT paramedic teams are helping in dangerous situations.

The article looks at how Tactical Emergency Medical Service (TEMS) units can be vital when an officer is shot and unarmed medics aren’t allowed in the secured area.

:rolleyes:

[hetz]

Sorry but "Combat Healer" sounds awesome. It's like in some RPG game.

[The Machine]

time for a reality check on what you are going to be doing. You are not going to be 'some person that comes into combat situations and heals' that is a bunch of vague cop PR bullshit and honestly not even the coppers are pushing that to their target audience of future worker murdering scum.

http://news.tacticalpants.com/swat-paramedic-teams/



:rolleyes:

nah in my area swat medics can choose whether or not to be armed. wheres the hate in this thread http://www.revleft.com/vb/would-you-ever-t176485/index.html

[The Machine]

Look, fool, if you wanna live out your fantasy of being a combat medic, none of us can stop you. But what the fuck kind of answers did you expect from radicals when you told them you wanted to work with the cops?

tbh i didnt know what response to expect, since most people on here tend to try and separate morality with their politics. i mean granted there are some users like you and mari3l who would spout half baked slogans than actually address the points being made but plenty of people here have conflicting attitudes towards "class treason" or w/e. i mainly created this thread since instead of the far fetched "oh if you could be an investment banker or ceo would you do it" hypothetical situations that get brought up this is something i could end up doing in the next couple years.


No, we're not gonna tell you its ok, cause its not. So, do you, but don't pretend you can reconcile being a swat team medic with being a revolutionary.

im not looking for people to tell me its ok, im more interested in discussing a complex issue with different ethical and political ramifications.


I spent 6 years in various combat arms units of the army, and for every single day of those years I was acting as a class traitor. So don't bother with your bullshit justifications.

im not like a skinhead or something being working class isn't part of my identity so vaguely being a class traitor doesnt particularly bother me. socialism is just how i understand the world, my personal morals don't have a whole lot to do with it.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Oh no doctors in hospitals are dirty "pig"-collaborators too because they treat injured cops. Let's lynch them, people!
:laugh:

I'd say there is an important difference between being a generic doctor or paramedic who might be treating a cop now and then in the course of their duties of serving the general public, and actually going for a job where patching up pigs is specifically part of one's job description.

[Ele'ill]

nah in my area swat medics can choose whether or not to be armed.

i dont' think it matters but just reading around some of the god awful websites on the topic it looks like the current trend is to switch over to firearm authorized medics exclusively and since there's no set training curriculum most SWAT/cop precincts are relying on veteran SWAT team members for input and they are all saying they want the medics armed and trained. Again I don't think this matters and I'd still consider you my enemy.






tbh i didnt know what response to expect, since most people on here tend to try and separate morality with their politics. i mean granted there are some users like you and mari3l who would spout half baked slogans than actually address the points being made but plenty of people here have conflicting attitudes towards "class treason" or w/e. i mainly created this thread since instead of the far fetched "oh if you could be an investment banker or ceo would you do it" hypothetical situations that get brought up this is something i could end up doing in the next couple years.

I addressed the points you made and gave you links with quotes along with my personal opinion which is pretty much the opposite of 'half baked slogans'. I honestly don't like the people who are all hella into being bosses or CEOs either I think the leftists who enter those positions to better their financial situation or whatever is kind of understandable to the point where they succeed at the job position which is inherently violent and requires you to be a gritty asshole and hurt lots of people. In your case your job will require you to value the general mission of the swat team, cops, the state its purpose etc..


socialism is just how i understand the world, my personal morals don't have a whole lot to do with it.

By joining a swat team you are adopting cop values of the world around you. You are willingly submitting to the state's interpretation of the world and you will facilitate the defense of the state through its domestic terrorist street gang.

[Art Vandelay]

"The worker who becomes a policeman in the service of the capitalist state, is a bourgeois cop, not a worker." - Trotsky

I think the point stands in this case.

[l'Enfermé]

Treating 1 cop a week is not so horrible but treating 10 cops a week is just a crime against humanity? I disagree completely, comrade. Shall we also say that raping one person a year for a few decades is not so bad but raping 100 people a year is just outrageous?

If patching up cops is such a terrible crime, then it hardly matters how often you do it.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Treating 1 cop a week is not so horrible but treating 10 cops a week is just a crime against humanity? I disagree completely, comrade. Shall we also say that raping one person a year for a few decades is not so bad but raping 100 people a year is just outrageous?

If patching up cops is such a terrible crime, then it hardly matters how often you do it.

I don't think providing medical attention is as directly comparable to rape as you seem to make out. One may not have a choice about treating a cop if one is a typical medic, but one can choose whether to work more directly with law enforcement or not.

[bcbm]

id also just like to point out that the butthurt going on in this thread on a forum where a good chunk of the prominent members have openly stated that given the opportunity they would become capitalists to no negative response is kind of dumb.

your chance of becoming a pig medic seems slightly higher than my chance of becoming a millionaire

[The Machine]

i dont' think it matters but just reading around some of the god awful websites on the topic it looks like the current trend is to switch over to firearm authorized medics exclusively and since there's no set training curriculum most SWAT/cop precincts are relying on veteran SWAT team members for input and they are all saying they want the medics armed and trained. Again I don't think this matters and I'd still consider you my enemy.

Eh thats your call I guess.


I addressed the points you made and gave you links with quotes along with my personal opinion which is pretty much the opposite of 'half baked slogans'. I honestly don't like the people who are all hella into being bosses or CEOs either I think the leftists who enter those positions to better their financial situation or whatever is kind of understandable to the point where they succeed at the job position which is inherently violent and requires you to be a gritty asshole and hurt lots of people. In your case your job will require you to value the general mission of the swat team, cops, the state its purpose etc..


Talking about "murderous pigs" on a radical website doesn't add anything but platitudes that no one will challenge if you don't back your shit up. I disagree with you on the boss thing but at least your consistent. In my case a bunch of my friends are trying/training to become managers at shitty fast food and takeout restaurants and I don't really see them any different but like I said I don't view class position as a moral thing. I'm don't see how you would have to value the mission more than any other first responder responding to the situation. I'm already a gritty asshole and I've hurt a lot of people, but I don't really know where I'd be doing that as a swat medic.


By joining a swat team you are adopting cop values of the world around you. You are willingly submitting to the state's interpretation of the world and you will facilitate the defense of the state through its domestic terrorist street gang.

Well shit I've always wanted to be in a hella sick street gang.

[The Machine]

your chance of becoming a pig medic seems slightly higher than my chance of becoming a millionaire

thats kind of irrelevant tho

[Ele'ill]

Talking about "murderous pigs" on a radical website doesn't add anything but platitudes that no one will challenge if you don't back your shit up.

yeah just ignore all the links and articles and stuff i posted because let's be honest, you came into this thread seeking any little bit of approval or really what you were looking for is at the least indifference, to go ahead with your career protecting cops. I also didn't have 'shit to back up' since you were the alleged radical stating how rolling with and band-aiding cops involved in domestic combat missions gets you all dreamy. :rolleyes:



I disagree with you on the boss thing but at least your consistent. In my case a bunch of my friends are trying/training to become managers at shitty fast food and takeout restaurants and I don't really see them any different but like I said I don't view class position as a moral thing.

bosses with firing power and faux supervisors with heightened ability to sway boss opinion in other words snitch on workers is mainly what i was talking about because if they don't enforce anti worker policy with force they get fired themselves.




I'm don't see how you would have to value the mission more than any other first responder responding to the situation.

Because you are a combat medic. I've learned more in the last day about the career you want to pursue by reading and posting articles to you than what you've contributed to this thread on your own and it's just another reason I don't take you seriously.


also for this


socialism is just how i understand the world

[Yuppie Grinder]

id also just like to point out that the butthurt going on in this thread on a forum where a good chunk of the prominent members have openly stated that given the opportunity they would become capitalists to no negative response is kind of dumb.

I want to become a successful financier and use my capital to fund a batman-type operation except instead of fighting criminals I'd just beat the shit out of cops.

[bcbm]

thats kind of irrelevant tho

in the thread about becoming bourgeois no one was actively chastised because it is purely hypothetical and we all know it isnt going to happen whereas you are actively trying to become a pig medic and it is a realistic possibility for you. so no, i think it is pretty relevant.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

No need to be dogmatic about it! Yes we should reject any cooperation with the cops, but it is good to have a few of us amoungst their ranks. I imagine you would be a good spy if the insurgency ever needed one and if you could spread our propganda in their ranks then perhaps we could split the police. Heck, you could even steal their technology and give it to the next red army. But of course, if you are unwilling to do any of that then I'll have to go along with everyone else and say "fuck off"

[Ravachol]

No need to be dogmatic about it! Yes we should reject any cooperation with the cops, but it is good to have a few of us amoungst their ranks. I imagine you would be a good spy if the insurgency ever needed one and if you could spread our propganda in their ranks then perhaps we could split the police. Heck, you could even steal their technology and give it to the next red army. But of course, if you are unwilling to do any of that then I'll have to go along with everyone else and say "fuck off"

If this reaction is serious I quit communism.

[bcbm]

No need to be dogmatic about it! Yes we should reject any cooperation with the cops, but it is good to have a few of us amoungst their ranks. I imagine you would be a good spy if the insurgency ever needed one and if you could spread our propganda in their ranks then perhaps we could split the police. Heck, you could even steal their technology and give it to the next red army.

put down the bong

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

No need to be dogmatic about it! Yes we should reject any cooperation with the cops, but it is good to have a few of us amoungst their ranks. I imagine you would be a good spy if the insurgency ever needed one and if you could spread our propganda in their ranks then perhaps we could split the police. Heck, you could even steal their technology and give it to the next red army. But of course, if you are unwilling to do any of that then I'll have to go along with everyone else and say "fuck off"

If things have gotten to that point, then anyone still wearing a copper's uniform is one of the die-hards.