Stop with all the Avanti threads

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

Shut the fuck up already, jeeeeez.

How is someone who sounds like someone on drugs who talks in poetry a new thing?
Did you all forget Mother Cossack?

[Avanti]

sometimes

the truth is physically painful to read

it is the disease

reacting to the medicine

it is not the appearance

but the content

that matters

if my threads are painful

don't read them

simple solution

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

It's not so much your threads as it is threads about you that annoy me.

[Avanti]

then don't read them?

you can close off your tv?

do you use to rage against snooki too?

ironic to rage against avanti threads

when you yourself started one

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I like Avanti. At first I suspected she was some sort of "national anarchist" and then, to be blunt a troll but then I came to appreciate her stuff.

Funny thing is I actually find myself in agreement with some of her writings, but then again, I'm a glorious beam of light myself.

Rage, rage against the dying of the Avanti threads.

...and, in a pinch, she's always good for some easy rep.

[hatzel]

It's not so much your threads as it is threads about you that annoy me.

Good work making this thread, then, buddy...

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

“would life be that interesting without irony?”-Avanti

[Lynx]

Avanti has 236 posts.

[Avanti]

237

[Yuppie Grinder]

Shut the fuck up already, jeeeeez.

How is someone who sounds like someone on drugs who talks in poetry a new thing?
Did you all forget Mother Cossack?

Mother Cossack is cool. So is Avanti. You're just mad because your ideology is a thing of the past and TechnoShamanist Anarcho-Teenagerism is the leading revolutionary current in the world today.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Also he thanks literally all of my posts so he's good in my book.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

237

Holy Fuck

[hetz]

Avanti popolo!

[helot]

Gotta say, Avanti is quite a character. Far more creative than i am.

[Comrade Samuel]

Really though what's up with only writing in poetry?

[Avanti]

Really though what's up with only writing in poetry?

what's really up

with not writing in poetry?

ever thought

why beauty

has to be excluded?

[Comrade #138672]

I used to think RevLeft was sane.

[cynicles]

I used to think RevLeft was sane.
you thought wrong then friend

insanity in haiku

poetry kicks ass

[the Leftâ„¢]

Free yourself from traditional

post formats

and do drugs

that is all

[GoddessCleoLover]

Is that a psychedelic cat? Far out, man.

[Avanti]

Is that a psychedelic cat? Far out, man.

it is a frog

me thinks

i like it

it has hypnotic capabilities

avanti seal of approval

[Yuppie Grinder]

I used to think RevLeft was sane.

lol wat
this post is crazier than anything avanti has ever posted

[GoddessCleoLover]

Evviva il avanti.

Evviva la revoluzione.

Avanti il popolo.

Evviva la orgia grande.

[Let's Get Free]

This was kinda cute at first now its starting to get annoying

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

This was kinda cute at first now its starting to get annoying

There is no annoying

or nonannoying

there only is what is
deathtoproperspacing!

[GoddessCleoLover]

Has Avanti left da house?

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

This thread is depressing.

I hate avanti.

[Avanti]

the avanti invokes strong emotions

is he the promised one?

is he a charlatan?

has he seen the light?

is he insane?

in your hearts

you've start feeling the flickering of hope

the sense that you can be liberated

from all fears and sorrow

and that your life

can become an adventure

all you need is to let go

and take control of your own fate

the prophecy of avanti

is unfolding

[black magick hustla]

idk she/he reminds me of people i met in coops that had fried their brains with substances and talked in weird spontaneous rhymes which i thought was cute at first but then i realized they were just crazy

[smellincoffee]

This was kinda cute at first now its starting to get annoying

It's the reverse for me. At first it bewildered and bothered me, and then I found I liked reading it. I had to click over to his/her profile to see if all of the posts were really in verse. :lol:

It's like finding that someone has sent you chocolate in the post, mixed in with all the bills.

[Sasha]

It sure beats the usual anti-imp nazbol rape-supporting stalinoids...
As soon it turns into obvious trolling or someone can find something reactionary in their posts we will take administrative action but until then I guess you should learn to live with our sunfarstrar disciple...

(speaking off sunfarstrar, I probably will at some point start merging avanti threads that go nowhere into post-modernist collection threads like I do with sunfarstrar's more bizarre work)

[statichaos]

Avanti has

a way of expressing herself

that probably isn't as cool

or as fun

or even original

as she seems to think

but still

she makes good points

sometimes

and really

the content

is more important

than the occasionally

too precious

style

so I would say

lay off

and let her do

her thing.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I can see past Avanti's style and into what I think is their substance, but the lack of clarity and precision makes it difficult to have a high degree of certainty.

[JoeySteel]

Frankly more disturbing to me than Avanti's obviously insane ideas, political concepts, and inability to communicate (like the other user said, reminds me of people whose brains have been fried from drugs, or possibly mentally ill) is the fact that several times Avanti has made overtures about murder/violence towards those they call "middle class pets" and other names.

In one thread he said "they must be wiped out." and in another thread he said the movie Funny Games (where a family are tortured and murdered by two men for no reason) shows what should be done with "middle class" people. Avanti disavows class struggle so they are clearly not talking about eliminating the "middle class" as a class. Obviously it is disturbing that none of this hatred is directed towards the ruling class as well.

The ideas Avanti is expressing are more in common with a troubled person before they commit a Brevik/Loughner/James Holmes style killing. Nothing to do with any actual thought on the left. It's disturbing to see this stuff be cheered on so much.

I have reported one of these posts and pointed out another to mods, and I hope it is followed up on. I don't doubt there's more of these sentiments buried in the rubbish Avanti posts. It would be best not to clutter the whole of Revleft forums with this poster's refuse before they go out and hurt people.

EDIT: One post of his condensed to save space...



i enjoyed funny games
a lot
but then
it was pretty much
how i think
obnoxious
clean-cut
well-adjusted
middle class pets
should be treated


So the "revolutionary" politics of this user are that people who are clean-cut (I'm usually clean cut in my appearance, which I didn't realize had anything to do with politics) and well-adjusted (meaning what, I'm not sure) and who are petty-bourgeois and not relatively poor should be tortured and murdered for existing. Similar sentiments have been expressed in other posts by this user. And it amazed me to see people "liking" and cheering this on. I've seen Funny Games, the original and remake. I wasn't morally outraged by it as a piece of art. But to express admiration for the things in the film intended to sicken audiences, and say other people who happen to be "clean-cut" among other things should go through the same thing has no place here.

Avanti's so-called "class hatred" expresses absolutely no hatred towards the ruling class and instead seems to want to murder people based on their image or lifestyle. Weird to me that no one has noticed these clear sentiments and instead Avanti is getting "thanks" from a menagerie of "leftists"

[blake 3:17]

avatars drop

butter in bowls

blues clues populate commodity

the drops

the stillness

the microseconds I pass

without ego

new socks

old socks

tranquil agitation

distorted fidelity

hi resolution anti defamation times without

times

thru

hours lifting

breaking

hoping

[Lenina Rosenweg]

There are several levels to Avanti and Avantiism. On one level she/he has a sort of Beat/Zen aesthetic-the use of haiku, the air of someone who has achieved or reached some sort of "liberation", the chiding of those who "strive", whether for success in capitalist terms or as socialists striving for revolution as people banging their heads against the wall.

For a lot of people, even those who regard Avanti's politics or even most of her posts as nonsensical, this can be very compelling. A somewhat eccentric poster has elicited a huge amount of attention on this forum within only a few days.

There are actually some grains of truth to Avanti's "spirituality". Much human activity is self defeating and useless striving. People can unite becoming and being, express themselves fully in what they do.

Avanti's politics though don't make sense. It is nihilistic. A future age of "neo-tribes" will emerge, a cyber punk world which ironically can be a sort of utopia. A world where 1 billion people survive off $1 a day and 2 billion live off $2 a day is not a world in which humanity can develop its full potentials.

The William Gibson novels were fun to read and, while highly dystopian, were eerily compelling. I would find that actual world described in these novels to be horrific. As Ursula LeGuin said, cyber punk is "late capitalist noir". The heroes are individual hackers carving out a small private niche for themselves in a devastated world run by authoritarian megacorps. I ultimately don't see much potential for human liberation in this scenario.

Just when one would expect Avanti to advice us "love one another", Gandhi style, or even preach some sort of "armed love" as JoeySteel says Avanti express hatred against "well adjusted people" in a somewhat scary form.

Avanti's posts are fun to read and I like a lot of her aesthetics.I am a bit concerened about other things though.

[JoeySteel]

Glad you can produce such a fascinated analysis. Frankly I find it all disturbing and would rather not read forums that are a zoo to prod the non-leftist expressing murder fantasies to get them to say more messed up things when in reality they should be getting help.
Good for you guys if that's how you get your kicks.

[Althusser]

At first I thought the over dramatized posts were egotistical, and they reminded me of the way anonymous talks. Then I came to the conclusion that Avanti was using an iphone or something, and that was making the posts come out with all the line breaks. Now I realize it is intentional...

Hahaah I've come to terms with it. :thumbup1: I look forward to Avanti's words of wisdom in every thread now.

[JoeySteel]

At first I thought the over dramatized posts were egotistical, and they reminded me of the way anonymous talks. Then I came to the conclusion that Avanti was using an iphone or something, and that was making the posts come out with all the line breaks. Now I realize it is intentional...

Hahaah I've come to terms with it. :thumbup1: I look forward to Avanti's words of wisdom in every thread now.

What's wise about it? Ted Kaczynski's manifesto would be more coherent.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Avanti, you're fucking annoying as shit. Idk how people tolerate your weird ass in person if you are this obnoxious online.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

So the "revolutionary" politics of this user are that people who are clean-cut (I'm usually clean cut in my appearance, which I didn't realize had anything to do with politics) and well-adjusted (meaning what, I'm not sure) and who are petty-bourgeois and not relatively poor should be tortured and murdered for existing. Similar sentiments have been expressed in other posts by this user. And it amazed me to see people "liking" and cheering this on. I've seen Funny Games, the original and remake. I wasn't morally outraged by it as a piece of art. But to express admiration for the things in the film intended to sicken audiences, and say other people who happen to be "clean-cut" among other things should go through the same thing has no place here.

Avanti's so-called "class hatred" expresses absolutely no hatred towards the ruling class and instead seems to want to murder people based on their image or lifestyle. Weird to me that no one has noticed these clear sentiments and instead Avanti is getting "thanks" from a menagerie of "leftists"

I'd seen disquieting hints the first "class hatred" thread, but the sort of thing you've quoted is blatant and disturbing and I wasn't previously aware of it.

A decision for the board administration, perhaps?

[MEGAMANTROTSKY]

Here's one "conversation" I had with Avanti. To me it was rather telling of her "politics" and "philosophy" (which I believe to be somewhat fascist and postmodernist respectively) but I'll let you be the judges. Apologies if you all have seen this before. I thought this was the first clue as to why she should have been restricted, at the very least. And I have trouble believing that she has lasted this long merely because she appeared to be inscrutable.


http://www.revleft.com/vb/cyberpunk-capitalism-t176406/index.html

they are cool to oppose.

if they [the world federated government of extrateristrial reptilians] didn't exist, we'll have to invent them.

and that's what they are, an invention, a simple explanation of complex problems.

we need even simpler explanations.

the dumber the better.

the human brain is lingual and pre-lingual (symbolical)

most humans instinctively understand symbols

most don't understand political ideologies

and ideologies don't matter

only symbols do

I hope you realize that what you're preaching resembles the tactics of classical fascism. It is not an effective way to bring class consciousness to the workers. Appealing to their intelligence and taking part in their struggles in key, not their unconscious associations with "symbols".

resembling is not the same as identical.

what workers will there be to "bring class consciousness" to when society fractures?

people will be too aware of their low status.

they need to attain new symbols and a new relationship with their surroundings.

NeoTribes can provide that.

anarcho-survivalism is the Q.

Under what theory (I assume "anarcho-survivalism" has theories) do you expect there not to be workers during a capitalist crisis? I've seen you say this many times before, but I have never seen a shred of evidence to back it up other than your repetitive and phony prophet-like pronouncements. By this, I have in mind your presentation, as follows (all in lower case, as is your habit):

sentence a

sentence b

sentence c

sentence d

And so on and so forth. What's particularly irritating is that none of the sentences seem to be connected to one another, and so it gives me the urge to roll my eyes rather than take you seriously. Is writing a paragraph and elaborating your ideas really so difficult for you? You're essentially preaching...badly. Trying to sound profound does not actually mean that you are.

As for your "tactics", it's true that resembling does not mean it is automatically like the other. But the essential nature of fascist propaganda--to engage the emotions and "low status" (so to speak) of workers rather than their intelligence--is very much present in your assertions. This is reinforced when you insist on the use of "symbols" to reach a "new relationship with their surroundings". The NSDAP's use of what was called "Völkisch" ideology was precisely this, and it seized upon the disorientation and misery of both the workers and the petty-bourgeoisie alike. This is not to say that you are promoting fascism, but if you continue this theoretical path of appealing the the "lowest" instincts in the population, I will have to consider you politically bankrupt in this area.

politics are overrated.

action is what matters.

when society fractures, the artificial "political forum" dissolves.

in traditional left-wing policy.

academics have hijacked the masses to serve their goals.

the masses only have one interest.

they want to live.

they want to love.

they want to breathe.

they want to greet every new dawn.

you must ask yourself whether what you advocate would make people happier.

You did not address a single thing I said, so I'm ducking out rather than endure this for much longer. Have fun speaking in silly lyrics.

[Avanti]

so

a leftist forum?

in which class hatred

is not allowed?

i am not jealous

of the middle class

neither do i hate

the middle class

as individuals

because

they have no individuality

i wonder if such people

even can bleed

if they are real

and not

corporate holograms

the reason

why i hate

the system

is because

the system

hates me

and loves

to oppress me

i get a sense

judges

social officials

policemen

and employment office officials

get a boner

of oppressing me

my threads

are belonging together

i find it

ironic

that stalinists

would be eeked out

by poetic violence

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

...I am undecided at present

[GoddessCleoLover]

Not surprised that an M-L would go after Avanti, M-Ls are extremely averse to anarchists. Avanti, you are a cool poster but please bear in mind that it is easy for the unwary to fall afoul of the rules of Revleft. Revleft allows anarchists but has rules that even anarchists must follow.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

it is not the appearance

but the content

that matters


WOAH! BACK THE FUCK UP!

Of all the posters on this board, Avanti, I thought you'd understand that, fundamentally, the medium is the message. The content isn't independent of the appearance, but is inextricably bound up in it.

Have you serious been writing in your weird format just for kicks? Is there no intentionality to it?

I BELIEVED IN YOUR SINCERITY, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING?!
WHERE IS THE LIVING COMMUNISM AVANTI?! WHERE IS IT?!

[Avanti]

WOAH! BACK THE FUCK UP!

Of all the posters on this board, Avanti, I thought you'd understand that, fundamentally, the medium is the message. The content isn't independent of the appearance, but is inextricably bound up in it.

Have you serious been writing in your weird format just for kicks? Is there no intentionality to it?

I BELIEVED IN YOUR SINCERITY, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING?!
WHERE IS THE LIVING COMMUNISM AVANTI?! WHERE IS IT?!


the avanti is the message

and my style

is made

to replicate

thought processes

communicating

on the inner minds

but

i can lie

sometimes

lies are hiding

a deeper truth

[o well this is ok I guess]

Yo man if you can't take the spaghetti-o's get out of the art show.

Avanti-garde is here to stay.

[MEGAMANTROTSKY]

Not surprised that an M-L would go after Avanti, M-Ls are extremely averse to anarchists.
The Stalinists aren't the only ones opposing Avanti. And I have yet to see a single genuine anarchist principle or theory thereof in one of her posts.




sometimes

lies are hiding

a deeper truth
An appeal to common sense to make a point, namely that people lie. How lovely. Thanks for contributing absolutely nothing...again.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Avanti, you suck. Nobody even likes you. Your political ideas are fucking idiotic. Also, learn to write in complete sentences rather than some weird ass line by line system.

PS - You're annoying and if you are older than age 12 and act like this, you need serious help that this forum cannot provide to you.

[statichaos]

The Stalinists aren't the only ones opposing Avanti. And I have yet to see a single genuine anarchist principle or theory thereof in one of her posts.


An appeal to common sense to make a point, namely that people lie. How lovely. Thanks for contributing absolutely nothing...again.

Fiction and poetic metaphor can effectively communicate ideas. I believe that that was Avanti's point, but you'd have to ask her.

[Avanti]

An appeal to common sense to make a point, namely that people lie. How lovely. Thanks for contributing absolutely nothing...again.

you're welcome

nothing

is often

something

the clearest truths

are often seen

as silly

as banal

as quaint

simplicity

is something

to be cheered

[MEGAMANTROTSKY]

Fiction and poetic metaphor can effectively communicate ideas. I believe that that was Avanti's point, but you'd have to ask her.
Yes, I agree that fiction and metaphor are useful for communicating powerful ideas. But should we leave the matter there? That is to say, shouldn't we ask: What ideas? And how effectively are they being communicated? From what I've read so far, I haven't seen anything original or thought-provoking from her, just nihilism and evasion. I have tried to communicate with her, to no avail. She just uses "fiction and poetic metaphor" (poorly) in order to avoid giving an answer or a comment that's halfway substantive. The burden of proof should fall upon her to demonstrate that she actually has something to offer besides priestly inveighing and dystopian pop culture references.

[Avanti]

Yes, I agree that fiction and metaphor are useful for communicating powerful ideas. But should we leave the matter there? That is to say, shouldn't we ask: What ideas? And how effectively are they being communicated? From what I've read so far, I haven't seen anything original or thought-provoking from her, just nihilism and evasion. I have tried to communicate with her, to no avail. She just uses "fiction and poetic metaphor" (poorly) in order to avoid giving an answer or a comment that's halfway substantive. The burden of proof should fall upon her to demonstrate that she actually has something to offer besides priestly inveighing and dystopian pop culture references.

the question is

how many

have something

substantive

to offer?

everybody

and

nobody

because some

might get boners

off enver hoxha

others just like

revolution

others like committees

others kautsky

others like to hate kautsky

ultimately

nothing of that matters

some

apparently

feel

that avanti

has a lot to offer

otherwise

there wouldn't be

so much discussion

about avanti

ultimately

it stands

between sanity

and unsanity

between Babylon

and the avanti

you are already

being subconciously transformed

avanti is making love

to your mind

[MEGAMANTROTSKY]

you're welcome

nothing

is often

something

the clearest truths

are often seen

as silly

as banal

as quaint

simplicity

is something

to be cheered
The only problem I have, in the final instance, is that your brand of "nothing" has only been banal. And your banality has only expressed the "clear truth" that you have absolutely nothing interesting or original to say. But you don't deserve all the blame. After all, the amount of rep indicates that posters (and mods especially) here are actually starting to buy your bilge.

This is the last post I will ever address to you; I'm not going to waste any more of my time on this. I'm going to place you on my ignore list, and that, as they say, will be that.

[Avanti]

The only problem I have, in the final instance, is that your brand of "nothing" has only been banal. And your banality has only expressed the "clear truth" that you have absolutely nothing interesting or original to say. But you don't deserve all the blame. After all, the amount of rep indicates that posters (and mods especially) here are actually starting to buy your bilge.

This is the last post I will ever address to you; I'm not going to waste any more of my time on this. I'm going to place you on my ignore list, and that will be that.

that is

entirely subjective

but we thank you

for your contribution

to the understanding

of neo-anarchist thought

nothing is everything

and everything is nothing

for an ideology

to be everything

it has to be nothing

that's the umpth law

of dialectics

[brigadista]

I think that


Avanti is

taking the bleedin piss

:D:D

[JoeySteel]

Not surprised that an M-L would go after Avanti, M-Ls are extremely averse to anarchists. Avanti, you are a cool poster but please bear in mind that it is easy for the unwary to fall afoul of the rules of Revleft. Revleft allows anarchists but has rules that even anarchists must follow.

Sorry, what? I know many, many anarchists personally. I have never heard any of them express anything like Avanti is. From his posts I would have never assumed Avanti is an anarchist. The anarchists I know, as confused as they are, don't base their politics on haircuts and revenge fantasies against doctors and lawyers, and if they express any "hatred" it's towards the state, politicians, bosses, or the ruling class.

Read this again:


i find it
ironic
that stalinists
would be eeked out
by poetic violence


You would think, if this person is left wing and not simply deranged or a semi-fascist, they would consider "poetic violence", as flawed a concept as it is, to be something like working people using violence in their own defence or interests, people successfully defeating a capitalist armed rebellion, anarchist ideas of breaking windows as political, or even judicial punishment of class enemies. Yet again Avanti doubles down and describes as "poetic" his obsession with physically exterminating "middle class pets." You are all naive shameful for encouraging this filth.

[Avanti]

revolution

is a spiritual act

of total transformation

of the social relations

productive forces

essential nature

and networks

in a society

as a spiritual act

it demands

a blood sacrifice

neo-anarchism

is the most

radical ideology

ever

of course

because

our revolution

demands

a revolution

against yourself

a total liberation

those who buy into

and love

this current system

are lost

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

I don´t have a strong opinion on Avanti other than I find Mother Cossack to be far superior in every way.

[Comrade #138672]

I've been studying Avanti's posts for a while now. Almost certain it's a troll.

Did you ever catch her being even slightly affected by something or even engage in an authentic dialogue with someone without continuing her monologue? This is not something a sincere person would do.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

so

a leftist forum?

in which class hatred

is not allowed?

As far as I'm concerned you're directing it at the wrong people. Those middle class types you hate so much are being used just as much as the poorer workers and the lumpenproles are being used.


i am not jealous

of the middle class

neither do i hate

the middle class

as individuals

because

they have no individuality

i wonder if such people

even can bleed

if they are real

and not

corporate holograms

It's this dehumanisation that I have a massive, massive problem with. Questioning whether the middle class can bleed or whether they are holograms are big give-aways that your thinking concerning them is on a dehumanising level.


the reason

why i hate

the system

is because

the system

hates me

and loves

to oppress me

The "middle classes" of which you speak are not in control of the system which inflicts bad shit on you or anyone else for that matter.


i get a sense

judges

social officials

policemen

and employment office officials

get a boner

of oppressing me

Possibly, but how does that justify engaging in dehumanising murderous fantasies about the middle class as a whole?


my threads

are belonging together

i find it

ironic

that stalinists

would be eeked out

by poetic violence

I'm not a Stalinist, but I am concerned. I think it's obvious that you've been hurt, and as a consequence it seems you now possess a desire to be the hurt-giver rather than the hurt-taker.

Wouldn't it be better if we just stopped hurting each other?

[Avanti]

then

why not

join a pacifist forum?

nobody can hurt

the avanti

i've been

destroyed

and picked

myself together

from the

bottomless pit

regarding Babylon

we all

are helping Babylon

to thrive

the bourgeoisie

are the lower bureaucracy

of Babylon

but

the middle class

are the active acolytes

they are also keeping

it together

and keeping it together

ideologically

Babylon

would never work

without

the class of people

who think it is sensible

to agree with authorities

remember

in old empires

and in dictatorships

oppression

is very much

like assault rape

the victim is

only complying

because of fear

fear of violence

and when that fear

stops

syria will happen,
egypt will happen,
libya will happen

but no

in the core regions

of Babylon

it rules through

agreement

through integrating your mind

into the matrix

you won't rebel

against what you

you are dependent on

oppression is internalized

the prison is inside your mind

and yes

the middle class

are also oppressed

but they love it

that is their sin

for that

they must pay

and remember

revolution

is a spiritual task

revolution demands

a blood sacrifice

[Comrade #138672]

And here you go again. You don't respond to anyone. You just continue your monologue. You literally thank all posts - even when the posts are not so nice - without actually responding to them. It's nice to thank every post, but it's kind of suspicious to me. Of course, many people probably feel flattered by it, even when they know you thank literally every post. By feeling flattered, it's harder for them to criticize you. Obviously, you know this and are using it to your advantage.

Well done, I must admit. Still, I'm very sure you're a troll.

[Avanti]

And here you go again. You don't respond to anyone. You just continue your monologue. You literally thank all posts - even when the posts are not so nice - without actually responding to them. It's nice to thank every post, but it's kind of suspicious to me. Of course, many people probably feel flattered by it, even when they know you thank literally every post. By feeling flattered, it's harder for them to criticize you. Obviously, you know this and are using it to your advantage.

Well done, I must admit. Still, I'm very sure you're a troll.

everyone

is someone's

troll

my intention

is not

to make you sad

or make you cry

but to

wake you up

sanity is overrated

being insane

is cool

i'm

the forum

ju-jutsu artist

the shaolin monk

the buddha

the ninja

i destroy concepts

inside your mind

without you

even noticing

[Comrade #138672]

everyone

is someone's

troll

my intention

is not

to make you sad

or make you cry

but to

wake you up

sanity is overrated

being insane

is cool

i'm

the forum

ju-jutsu artist

the shaolin monk

the buddha

the ninja

i destroy concepts

inside your mind

without you

even noticingAlso, you don't write like this to 'escape language', but because you know it pisses people off. This has nothing to do with waking people up.

[Avanti]

how then come

the avanti

has become

increasingly popular?

this is just

an attest

to the popularity

i know

it feels difficult

but let go of your fears

and join the stream

[Comrade #138672]

how then come

the avanti

has become

increasingly popular?

this is just

an attest

to the popularity

i know

it feels difficult

but let go of your fears

and join the streamI never said you weren't good at trolling. You know very well how to provoke people and keep their attention.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Avanti isn't a troll. She genuinely believes in what she posts. She just has a nonsensical way about things. Her mode of argument reminds me of my sister who's an anarcho-primitivist.

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

Avanti what do you have against Kautsky?

[Yuppie Grinder]

Avanti what do you have against Kautsky?

lol brilliant question

[Avanti]

Avanti what do you have against Kautsky?

kautsky

was instrumental

in forming

social democracy

the third face

of the bourgeois janus

representing

the bureaucracy

real radical politics

are about

burning down parliaments

not

entering them

also

i find it

hilarious

that someone

today

would care

about kautsky

[Yuppie Grinder]

i find it

hilarious

that someone

today

would care

about kautsky

i fucking know!

[hatzel]

Here's my advice: if you have a problem with Avanti, just ignore them. Don't reply to the posts. What a simple solution. If you're lucky they'll even get bored! But if you must have a problem with them, don't make it about the writing style or the vacuousness of the statements or any such trifling matter. Criticise something that matters, like the structural antisemitism pervading their entire worldview.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Here's my advice: if you have a problem with Avanti, just ignore them. Don't reply to the posts. What a simple solution. If you're lucky they'll even get bored! But if you must have a problem with them, don't make it about the writing style or the vacuousness of the statements or any such trifling matter. Criticise something that matters, like the structural antisemitism pervading their entire worldview.

Care to elaborate?

[Sasha]

even better, for those of you who are not members of the BA there is an ignore function;
This is a list of users you wish to ignore. To add a user to your ignore list, go to your User CP and in the left Nav Panel under Miscellaneous, select , type the username you wish to ignore in the [B]Ignore List blank and click [Update Ignore List]

Posts from users that you are ignoring are hidden from view when logged into the forums.

[Quail]

Avanti, you're fucking annoying as shit. Idk how people tolerate your weird ass in person if you are this obnoxious online.
I imagine most people are more tolerable in person. In person there are consequences to being an asshole, but online you're disconnected from the fact you're in a social situation.


Avanti, you suck. Nobody even likes you. Your political ideas are fucking idiotic. Also, learn to write in complete sentences rather than some weird ass line by line system.

PS - You're annoying and if you are older than age 12 and act like this, you need serious help that this forum cannot provide to you.
You're pretty rude. If you don't like the posts, don't read them.

[Avanti]

he

was just

having a bad day

he's

already

apologized

besides

more rudeness

for the people

politeness

is forcing

everyone

to become liars

thank you anyway

Quail

(i like your username s'well)

for standing up

it's feeling warm

[GoddessCleoLover]

Avanti is the straw that stirs the drink.

[hatzel]

Care to elaborate?

To be honest I already regret using the word 'structural,' because it confuses the issue somewhat, and may lead people to (falsely) believe that I'm referring to that rather crude idea of 'structural antisemitism' that certain characters hurl around whenever anybody utters a less-than-complimentary word about bankers. To avoid that problem, I'll make a quick change of term: 'discursive antisemitism,' though I see both as referring to much the same thing.

What I'm really driving towards here is an understanding of antisemitism as an underlying societal discourse - in much the same way one might consider Eurocentrism, patriarchy, heterosexism etc., - and how it acts to structure prevailing forms of knowledge. In this precise case, I'm referring to Avanti's reliance on antisemitic tropes, or - perhaps more accurately, I'm not quite sure - the fundamental role played by preexisting antisemitic ideologies in allowing such ideas to pass as truth.

A quick glance over Avanti's conspiratorial worldview shows that it is, for all intents and purposes, structurally identical to classical antisemitism. Avanti speaks of an all-powerful 'dark cabal' (initially referred to as 'the overlords of the financial system,' or something to that effect) which has constructed a pervasive global order ('Babylon') through which it asserts its total dominance - this is not synonymous with the bourgeoisie and capitalism, nor with politicians and the state form, all of which are seen as creations of Babylon. In fact, the bourgeoisie seem to avoid most of the anti-Babylonian struggle, which is predominantly directed at the urban 'middle class,' such as lawyers, doctors, accountants - I should not even need to say that even old-school socialist talk of the Jews as a 'people-class' sterotypically placed them in precisely these occupations. 'Hollywood' is also explicitly implicated, as it is in standard antisemitic polemics. I could carry on if I wanted to, talking about Avanti's attacks of 'soulless materialists' (remember our discussion of 'the Jew' in German Idealism), for example, or the claim that Baylon lies behind both capitalism and socialism, but I feel I needn't; it should be abundantly clear that Avanti's ideas are wholly consistent with antisemitism...

This is not to imply that this an intentional ploy, that Avanti consciously employs antisemitic arguments - though neither would I necessarily rule it out. What we see, instead, is an ideology which emerges from the underlying antisemitic logic in our societies, the discursive antisemitism which allows such understandings to be formulated. There may well be no malice whatsoever; in much the same way as Eurocentric assumptions can be seen to permeate a lot of (western) thought, even amongst those who would (perhaps rightly) deny any personal racism, antisemitic assumptions - such as the idea that the motor of history could be some particular malevolent hidden elite (not necessarily called by the name 'Jew') filling the very specific positions 'the Jew' is said to fill - often emerge, particularly in conspiracy rhetoric. Ideas like Avanti's certainly don't emerge spontaneously within an isolated individual; they are inherited through social interaction, and given the antisemitism ingrained in western(-influenced) societies, it is not at all far-fetched to claim that antisemitism may be part of this inheritance, even if it comes in unnoticed.

...though part of me wonders whether it matters where exactly Avanti's ideas find their origin; wherever they come from, they bear more than just a passing resemblance to classical antisemitic conspiracy theories. However, Avanti has repeatedly claimed that it is both necessary and beneficial to forward such rhetoric, and convince people to take up the struggle against their Babylonian 'overlords,' the 'dark cabal.' It is true that this cabal is not named 'Jews,' though neither is it denied that they are - in fact, they are intentionally left without name, vague and undefined, with Avanti's stated intention being for people to decide for themselves who exactly this unidentified cabal is. Needless to say, claiming that the world is run by an all-powerful cabal of bankers, lawyers, Hollywood directors etc. etc. immediately brings up images of 'the Jew' - who else could be seen to fit such a role in our society, a role that was tailor-made for none other than 'the Jew'? Such an approach clearly constitutes an open door to antisemitism, which I have already told Avanti - the fact that they continue to argue these very same conspiratorial ideas proves to me that, even if the ideas did not stem intentionally from antisemitism, Avanti has now willfully chosen to further the cause of antisemitism by continuing to utilise flagrantly antisemitic tropes, with absolutely no consideration of the potential impacts, and certainly cannot claim ignorance in this regard...

[GoddessCleoLover]

IMO Avanti is drawing upon themes present in various views of a dystopian future and Avanti's anarchism seems sincere. Antisemitism has historically found a home more on the authoritarian right than the anarchist left, aside from Proudhon. Bottom line is that while some of Avanti's views may be outlandish I see him as an anarchist not an antisemite.

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

Avanti' speaks in allegory. Babylon stands for society in the same way the worship of Mammon=consumerism. Pay attention next time. Class dismissed.

[Rafiq]

i fucking know!

Then shut the fuck up and stop pretending to be a Bordigist. Bordiga would eat shit without Lenin, and Lenin would eat shit without Kautsky.

[Rafiq]

kautsky

was instrumental

in forming

social democracy

the third face

of the bourgeois janus

representing

the bureaucracy

real radical politics

are about

burning down parliaments

not

entering them

also

i find it

hilarious

that someone

today

would care

about kautsky

Why? What's the time period standard for 'caring' about theoreticians? Ten years?

Luxemburg was a social democrat too.

It had a different meaning, it didn't amount to reforming the bourgeois state. And even the asslickers like bernstein and the "evolutionary socialists" still, in the end opposed capitalism (kind of).

[Avanti]

Why? What's the time period standard for 'caring' about theoreticians? Ten years?

Luxemburg was a social democrat too.

It had a different meaning, it didn't amount to reforming the bourgeois state. And even the asslickers like bernstein and the "evolutionary socialists" still, in the end opposed capitalism (kind of).

no

more like ten weeks

theories don't matter

they are just flavors

real politics

is about

externalizing

what's internal

letting free

your rage

your fears

your love

being humanized

by destroying

the de-humanizing

system

human beings today

are cattle

we need

to uncivilize

in order

to become real

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I think "consent" is a pretty damn good idea and well worth practising, to be honest. Speaking of being real, consent implicitly recognises other people as real and worthy of consideration.

Will this "uncivilising" process involve the loss of consent, either as a function or as a concept?

[Ocean Seal]

Avanti is the only

honest voice

a true way
out of babylon

a cruel crypt

of kings and servants

they'll die without sympathy

but avanti shows them the light
a breath to warm their bosoms

[Avanti]

I think "consent" is a pretty damn good idea and well worth practising, to be honest. Speaking of being real, consent implicitly recognises other people as real and worthy of consideration.

Will this "uncivilising" process involve the loss of consent, either as a function or as a concept?

if you perpetuate

the spectacle

of oppression

you will

continue

to oppress

me

and all others

therefore

it is important

that everyone

are de-civilized

so

no hierarchical system

can replace

the current one

and Babylon

finally

will die

the problem is

that a lot of people

the bourgeoisie

and the middle classes

would want

to fight

to preserve

their sense

of order in the universe

and the bourgeois

self-righteousness

and belief

in the superiority

of the dictatorship

of the clock

therefore

sadly

no compromise

will be possible

two billion

cannot be saved

[o well this is ok I guess]

the oppresion

of spectacle fix'd

[Rafiq]

no

more like ten weeks

theories don't matter

they are just flavors

real politics

is about

externalizing

what's internal

letting free

your rage

your fears

your love

being humanized

by destroying

the de-humanizing

system

human beings today

are cattle

we need

to uncivilize

in order

to become real

...Shit

I never thought about it that way. Decades upon decades of many building upon the theoretical foundations of Marxism, for no reason. Thousands upon thousands of theoretical texts regarding the nature of human social organisation and movement thrown out the window, because of Avanti's emotional ramblings. Hell, Marxism itself has just been rendered obsolete today, because of Avanti. And it doesn't end there. We should destroy everything in every field of science, every discovery, every breakthrough we should disregard and not "care" about because they've begun with the works of some boring man who may or may not have had facial hair who died a long time ago. Shit Avanti, you're right.. About everything.

[Avanti]

all marvelous

technological breakthroughs

are worthless

if they are

used to

build

a system

that suffocates

humanity

turning us

into robots

only existing

to respond

with conditioning

and brainwashing

the society is the problem

Babylon must be destroyed

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

sometimes

the truth is physically painful to read

it is the disease

reacting to the medicine

it is not the appearance

but the content

that matters

if my threads are painful

don't read them

simple solution

DB7mFU7ZCIE

[Yuppie Grinder]

Then shut the fuck up and stop pretending to be a Bordigist. Bordiga would eat shit without Lenin, and Lenin would eat shit without Kautsky.

I appreciate Kautsky's influence on Lenin but let's be real he was an opportunist career politician.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Rafiq you take everything way to seriously. I'd ask you to cut it out, but you are so fucking funny without meaning to be.

[black magick hustla]

Yo man if you can't take the spaghetti-o's get out of the art show.

Avanti-garde is here to stay.

oh, not you!!!! i guess there arent any cool albertans after all

[black magick hustla]

To be honest I already regret using the word 'structural,' because it confuses the issue somewhat, and may lead people to (falsely) believe that I'm referring to that rather crude idea of 'structural antisemitism' that certain characters hurl around whenever anybody utters a less-than-complimentary word about bankers. To avoid that problem, I'll make a quick change of term: 'discursive antisemitism,' though I see both as referring to much the same thing.

What I'm really driving towards here is an understanding of antisemitism as an underlying societal discourse - in much the same way one might consider Eurocentrism, patriarchy, heterosexism etc., - and how it acts to structure prevailing forms of knowledge. In this precise case, I'm referring to Avanti's reliance on antisemitic tropes, or - perhaps more accurately, I'm not quite sure - the fundamental role played by preexisting antisemitic ideologies in allowing such ideas to pass as truth.

A quick glance over Avanti's conspiratorial worldview shows that it is, for all intents and purposes, structurally identical to classical antisemitism. Avanti speaks of an all-powerful 'dark cabal' (initially referred to as 'the overlords of the financial system,' or something to that effect) which has constructed a pervasive global order ('Babylon') through which it asserts its total dominance - this is not synonymous with the bourgeoisie and capitalism, nor with politicians and the state form, all of which are seen as creations of Babylon. In fact, the bourgeoisie seem to avoid most of the anti-Babylonian struggle, which is predominantly directed at the urban 'middle class,' such as lawyers, doctors, accountants - I should not even need to say that even old-school socialist talk of the Jews as a 'people-class' sterotypically placed them in precisely these occupations. 'Hollywood' is also explicitly implicated, as it is in standard antisemitic polemics. I could carry on if I wanted to, talking about Avanti's attacks of 'soulless materialists' (remember our discussion of 'the Jew' in German Idealism), for example, or the claim that Baylon lies behind both capitalism and socialism, but I feel I needn't; it should be abundantly clear that Avanti's ideas are wholly consistent with antisemitism...

This is not to imply that this an intentional ploy, that Avanti consciously employs antisemitic arguments - though neither would I necessarily rule it out. What we see, instead, is an ideology which emerges from the underlying antisemitic logic in our societies, the discursive antisemitism which allows such understandings to be formulated. There may well be no malice whatsoever; in much the same way as Eurocentric assumptions can be seen to permeate a lot of (western) thought, even amongst those who would (perhaps rightly) deny any personal racism, antisemitic assumptions - such as the idea that the motor of history could be some particular malevolent hidden elite (not necessarily called by the name 'Jew') filling the very specific positions 'the Jew' is said to fill - often emerge, particularly in conspiracy rhetoric. Ideas like Avanti's certainly don't emerge spontaneously within an isolated individual; they are inherited through social interaction, and given the antisemitism ingrained in western(-influenced) societies, it is not at all far-fetched to claim that antisemitism may be part of this inheritance, even if it comes in unnoticed.

...though part of me wonders whether it matters where exactly Avanti's ideas find their origin; wherever they come from, they bear more than just a passing resemblance to classical antisemitic conspiracy theories. However, Avanti has repeatedly claimed that it is both necessary and beneficial to forward such rhetoric, and convince people to take up the struggle against their Babylonian 'overlords,' the 'dark cabal.' It is true that this cabal is not named 'Jews,' though neither is it denied that they are - in fact, they are intentionally left without name, vague and undefined, with Avanti's stated intention being for people to decide for themselves who exactly this unidentified cabal is. Needless to say, claiming that the world is run by an all-powerful cabal of bankers, lawyers, Hollywood directors etc. etc. immediately brings up images of 'the Jew' - who else could be seen to fit such a role in our society, a role that was tailor-made for none other than 'the Jew'? Such an approach clearly constitutes an open door to antisemitism, which I have already told Avanti - the fact that they continue to argue these very same conspiratorial ideas proves to me that, even if the ideas did not stem intentionally from antisemitism, Avanti has now willfully chosen to further the cause of antisemitism by continuing to utilise flagrantly antisemitic tropes, with absolutely no consideration of the potential impacts, and certainly cannot claim ignorance in this regard...
im glad u wrote a 1000 word critcal theory essay about some revleft beatnik wannabe nutjob

[Decommissioner]

Life is boring without the avanti's of the world out there to stir things up.

[Rafiq]

I appreciate Kautsky's influence on Lenin but let's be real he was an opportunist career politician.

This doesn't render him theoretically obsolete before his betrayal. You don't appreciate his influence on Lenin because you can't recognize how that influence distinguished itself.

[Rafiq]

Rafiq you take everything way to seriously. I'd ask you to cut it out, but you are so fucking funny without meaning to be.

If I wanted to fuck around I'd go on facebook or I'd get off the computer with, you know, actual aquiantances. Can't say I know any of you well enough to be completely casusl with 100% of the time.

[Rafiq]

im glad u wrote a 1000 word critcal theory essay about some revleft beatnik wannabe nutjob

Actually it isn't just about Avanti. It's about the nature of this logic all together, that there is a force "behind" everything, in which capitalism itself is just a means to sustain it's hegemony, this concept of a social intruder too ('hollywood', etc.).

[Ravachol]

Actually it isn't just about Avanti. It's about the nature of this logic all together, that there is a force "behind" everything, in which capitalism itself is just a means to sustain it's hegemony, this concept of a social intruder too ('hollywood', etc.).

I dunno, one could also read such arguments in the light of capitalism being just a specific instance of the concept of class society in general.

[Avanti]

a spectre

is haunting

revleft

the spectre

of

avanti

[freethinker]

Avanti

The prophet that we

did not wish for

Avanti

The personality

called

insane

Avanti

The prophet not to be understood

within

intellectual

houses.

Avanti

The specter

Doomed

to cause more division

On this site of

Revolutionaries

Bashing

each other in

civil war

becoming

persudo

mcartythists

with the death word

"Bourgeoisie"

So comes Avanti

The wishful profit

Unexpected

Doomed to be bashed and doom to bash others

As with all users

every

year

every

month

every

day

every

hour

[Rugged Collectivist]

Behind the poetry style

Avanti's words

Contain occasional

Wisdom.

[Hermes]

To be honest, I feel a little guilty that I pretty much ignore Avanti's posts for the sole reason that it would take a little more time to read them.

[freethinker]

To be honest, I feel a little guilty that I pretty much ignore Avanti's posts for the sole reason that it would take a little more time to read them.

Yeah, I think most of us have done that

[o well this is ok I guess]

...Shit

I never thought about it that way. Decades upon decades of many building upon the theoretical foundations of Marxism, for no reason. Thousands upon thousands of theoretical texts regarding the nature of human social organisation and movement thrown out the window, because of Avanti's emotional ramblings. Hell, Marxism itself has just been rendered obsolete today, because of Avanti. And it doesn't end there. We should destroy everything in every field of science, every discovery, every breakthrough we should disregard and not "care" about because they've begun with the works of some boring man who may or may not have had facial hair who died a long time ago. Shit Avanti, you're right.. About everything. Zarathustra ain't got shit on Avanti.

[Rafiq]

I dunno, one could also read such arguments in the light of capitalism being just a specific instance of the concept of class society in general.

This specific type of logic, though ideologically attractive, cannot constitute as an objective scientific analysis of not only capitalism but the history of class society itself. It is teleological. The existing ruling classes have not "taken the place" of the old Feudal aristocracy, they are an entirely different class, an entirely different ruling class with diametrically opposed class interests, even while in power. This simplistic conception of different mode(s) of production, reminiscent of the religious speak of the battle of history being between 'good and evil', 'the lord and satan', has no valid theoretical foundations, it is simply a subconscious ideological conviction. Which is fine, as far as Communism goes, however it has no place in Marxism. There is no eternal battle in history between the 'oppressed' and the 'oppressors'. Some Marxists have interpreted history as one between the alienation of man and his rightful labor, i.e. surplus value, but then again this doesn't necessarily hold up. This thesis, do not get me wrong, is perfectly Communist (just as the thesis of how there is a universalist struggle between man and achieving liberty was intrinsic to liberalism), it is simply not an objectively existing fact or proper means of scientifically understanding human social relations.