Friend believes in Jewish banking conspiracy?

[A Revolutionary Tool]

So I face a dilemma Revleft. I posted a status on Facebook basically saying I disapprove of Israel's current action. This is a response that I got:

I say pull out of Israel and let it burn but, Israel is owned by the Rothschild's whom own us so I don't see that happening soon

This seriously surprised me from him. He worked maintenance at my old job so I didn't really get to talk to him much but we had some great talks about video-games and music. He listens to Dead Kennedys, RATM, the Clash, a lot of good punk and folk music. I remember a couple days before May 1st he made a statement saying he supported the call for a general strike which I thought was cool but we never really talked politics. Then he just throws this at me completely out of nowhere!

[Igor]

you don't believe in ZOG :confused:

[Avanti]

jewish banker theories are popular

because they are dumb

the dumber the better

the masses love simplicity

[ВАЛТЕР]

"Skeptoid" does a great job dispelling a lot of myths and conspiracies. Here is his podcast site with him debunking the Rothschild conspiracy nonsense. You can listen to him or read the text.

Of course this is assuming he isn't owned by the Zionist Rothschild NWO Reptillian Masonic cult of Communists. :D

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4311

Here is the audio:

http://llnw.libsyn.com/p/4/8/8/488d6b8a986f323a/skeptoid-4311.mp3?s=1353494535&e=1353495705&c_id=4551478&h=971890f37d4a70a80bf9ecae1fd48244

[cynicles]

Tell him to stop watching Alex Jones.

[GoddessCleoLover]

Avanti is right. Jewish banker conspiracy theories appeal to the ignorant. Cynicles is right, too, anyone who listens to Alex Jones ought to read a book instead.

[Prometeo liberado]

Avanti is right. Jewish banker conspiracy theories appeal to the ignorant. Cynicles is right, too, anyone who listens to Alex Jones ought to read a book instead.

Or at least switch to listening to Davey Jones. He was a big influnce on the Beatles.:thumbup1:

[cynicles]

Avanti is right. Jewish banker conspiracy theories appeal to the ignorant. Cynicles is right, too, anyone who listens to Alex Jones ought to read a book instead.
I actually think that conspiracy theorists are quite interesting as a topic. You know, why do they think what they think? It's not just a matter of pure ignorance, these people are clearly aware that something is going wrong, they just can't piece together what it is. It's almost like they exist in a state of mutated consciousness.

[Rafiq]

All bank-related conspiracy theories are inristically petite bourgeois. That and, it is much easier to dismiss existing human social organisation and the relations intrinsic to them to the will of a conscious entity, be it a bank, be it a god, or reptilians. They cannot articulate, they cannot actualize and adjust in accordance with their ideological constrains human social movement, they simply cannot approach or understand the fact that no one is "behind" anything, that even the most 'powerful' of men are still subject to their class interests and the material forces of which come about as a result of them. I should say, these conspiracies are not mere ignorance, perhaps the opposite. Perhaps because Liberalism, or Idealism in general, is incapable of approaching these existing phenomena, when one "digs too deep", they turn to conspiracy theories as a desperate means to understand them?

[LiberationTheologist]

The OP referred specifically to a Rothschild banking theory. On that specific matter I would like to know just how much money the Rothschild family has and their controling shares of major banks, I have been looking for that information for some time.

Jewish control of banks is a historical reality, they have disproportionate control of banks, that is fact. If anyone thinks that banks have not conspired for control of governments and do not have ultimate control over most governments - US, Europe, pretty much world wide then they are quite ignorant of reality.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

The OP referred specifically to a Rothschild banking theory. On that specific matter I would like to know just how much money the Rothschild family has and their controling shares of major banks, I have been looking for that information for some time.

Jewish control of banks is a historical reality, they have disproportionate control of banks, that is fact. If anyone thinks that banks have not conspired for control of governments and do not have ultimate control over most governments - US, Europe, pretty much world wide then they are quite ignorant of reality.

..therefore 'Jews' are trying to take over the world? OK then, thanks for the heads up.

[Rafiq]

The OP referred specifically to a Rothschild banking theory. On that specific matter I would like to know just how much money the Rothschild family has and their controling shares of major banks, I have been looking for that information for some time.

Jewish control of banks is a historical reality, they have disproportionate control of banks, that is fact. If anyone thinks that banks have not conspired for control of governments and do not have ultimate control over most governments - US, Europe, pretty much world wide then they are quite ignorant of reality.

Hey everyone! Look at this fucking moron. Lol he actually believes this shit!

Edit: Swiss don't have control over banks. Wealthy people from ksa and gulf states don't either. In Asia, there are no banks. It's all JEEEWWWWSSSSS man. My preacher told me (Don't worry he's a liberation theologist thats y i am 2 lol hence ma name)

[ВАЛТЕР]

Why has nobody looked at my previous post giving a link to a site as well as an explanation in audio which completely destroys this idiotic conspiracy theory as well as other conspiracies like it?

[statichaos]

My wife is Jewish. Why isn't she getting a piece of this action?

[cynicles]

My wife is Jewish. Why isn't she getting a piece of this action?
Only Ayn Rand jews get it on it, no Rosa Luxemburg jews allowed in the banking conspiracy.

[statichaos]

Only Ayn Rand jews get it on it, no Rosa Luxemburg jews allowed in the banking conspiracy.

Well, if that were true, then Rand wouldn't have had to bother with Social Security and Medicare.

[LiberationTheologist]

Hey everyone! Look at this fucking moron. Lol he actually believes this shit!

Edit: Swiss don't have control over banks. Wealthy people from ksa and gulf states don't either. In Asia, there are no banks. It's all JEEEWWWWSSSSS man. My preacher told me (Don't worry he's a liberation theologist thats y i am 2 lol hence ma name)


^ Religious partisan above.

No you dishonest fallacious reactionary asshole, you said that it was only the jews and tried to pass it off as something I said. Pathetic is what that tactic is, and fallacious as fuck.

The fact is that jews as a group have disproportionate control of the banking system and this is a reality in many European countries, including the USA. Let me repeat this again for your reactionary ass, this is a reality for historical reasons.

Are you going to also deny that white people (Europeans) have disproportionate economic control the world over? I'm well aware of the reactionary nature of Europeans on this issue and the reasons for being such. I love to educate reactionary brainwashed people such as yourself on this issue.

[LiberationTheologist]

My wife is Jewish. Why isn't she getting a piece of this action?

While many Jews do benefit from the historical ownership and control of banks, not all do.

To not understand this reality is to deny that religious fraternalism and sisterhood exists.

Tell me do white people in the USA benefit from racism? If so to what degree? There in you have your answer except replace European with Jew in the equation.

[LiberationTheologist]

..therefore 'Jews' are trying to take over the world? OK then, thanks for the heads up.


Are capitalists trying to take over the world? You think the banking system is somehow foreign to capitalism? I wish I could see the cogs go around in your brain as you ask yourself these questions.

Now I'll await the answer to my question because it would directly answer the theory which was being espoused to the OP, that being that the Rothschild family owns all the banks. Let me repeat this - I have not seen any proof or answers to the question of Rothschild family banking ownership and would like to see the answer laid out as neatly as possible.

[Crux]

^ Religious partisan above.

No you dishonest fallacious reactionary asshole, you said that it was only the jews and tried to pass it off as something I said. Pathetic is what that tactic is, and fallacious as fuck.

The fact is that jews as a group have disproportionate control of the banking system and this is a reality in many European countries, including the USA. Let me repeat this again for your reactionary ass, this is a reality for historical reasons.

Are you going to also deny that white people (Europeans) have disproportionate economic control the world over? I'm well aware of the reactionary nature of Europeans on this issue and the reasons for being such. I love to educate reactionary brainwashed people such as yourself on this issue.
This is petit bourgeoisie ideology, like all conspiracy theorism. Giving the illusion of a counter-system analysis while in reality acting as a useful idiot for the powers that be. In it's organized form, thankfully these groups rarely organize since it is such a pacifying brain-rotting mode of thinking, it usualy becomes fascism. It's also, unsurprisingly, popular with libertarians ("crony capitalism"). Sadly some on the left also get infected, usually people cut off from any form of organized struggle. Oh and in your case the anti-semitism isn't even just subtly implied but quite clear as day. You obviously need to re-learn your ABC's. Most likely somewhere other than RevLeft. As for the Rothschilds...you mean to tell me you think capitalisms tendency towards monopolies and oligopolies is really a Jewish conspiracy? Great thinking, muddle head.

So basically Rafiq is pretty much spot on.

[LiberationTheologist]

This is petit bourgeoisie ideology, like all conspiracy theorism. Giving the illusion of a counter-system analysis while in reality acting as a useful idiot for the powers that be. In it's organized form, thankfully these groups rarely organize since it is such a pacifying brain-rotting mode of thinking, it usualy becomes fascism. It's also, unsurprisingly, popular with libertarians ("crony capitalism"). Sadly some on the left also get infected, usually people cut off from any form of organized struggle. Oh and in your case the anti-semitism isn't even just subtly

No, first off I am speaking in actual factual terms, once I see someone bring up that term "conspiracy theory" when a person is speaking in factual terms it is clear we are dealing with a reactionary.


implied but quite clear as day. You obviously need to re-learn your ABC's. Most likely somewhere other than RevLeft. As for the Rothschilds...you mean to tell me you think capitalisms tendency towards monopolies and oligopolies is really a Jewish conspiracy? Great thinking, muddle head.

So basically Rafiq is pretty much spot on.Ah there is so much base thinking here and such sorry attempts at ad-hominiens - "conspiracy theory" "anti-semitism"

Let us discuss your reactionary nature when you see criticism of Jews, concentrated wealth and the banking system . How did your conditioning on this subject come to be? Do you get upset when I mention Europeans have a disproportional concentration of wealth? How about when I talk about some Africans?

You probably never even considered the issue of race and class before which would not be surprising since you would see the status quo as the natural order of things and would seek to defend it but how ridiculous do you look talking about inequality of wealth while ignoring race? This is a problem of not only those who call themselves leftists but rightists too. When you talk about race and class people will seek to block it out for various reasons. That is a very real pro status quo position for capitalism.

Why don't you just try using lines like this - "it doesn't matter where they got their money they EARNED it" You will then be able to protect the status quo of capitalism much more consistently.

[Crux]

No, first off I am speaking in actual factual terms, once I see someone bring up that term "conspiracy theory" when a person is speaking in factual terms it is clear we are dealing with a reactionary.

Ah there is so much base thinking here and such sorry attempts at ad-hominiens - "conspiracy theory" "anti-semitism"

Let us discuss your reactionary nature when you see criticism of Jews, concentrated wealth and the banking system . How did your conditioning on this subject come to be? Do you get upset when I mention Europeans have a disproportional concentration of wealth? How about when I talk about some Africans?

You probably never even considered the issue of race and class before which would not be surprising since you would see the status quo as the natural order of things and would seek to defend it but how ridiculous do you look talking about inequality of wealth while ignoring race? This is a problem of not only those who call themselves leftists but rightists too. When you talk about race and class people will seek to block it out for various reasons. That is a very real pro status quo position for capitalism.

Why don't you just try using lines like this - "it doesn't matter where they got their money they EARNED it" You will then be able to protect the status quo of capitalism much more consistently.
Hello there mr. strawman. My reactionary thinking when I see "criticism of jews"? You're just digging yourself deeper down that hole, buddy. If you were to say Europeans in general have a disproportionate amount of wealth indeed that would be true, but also a pretty superficial argument. Do the greek working class posses a "disproportiante wealth"? Do the millions of unemployed all across europe? Of course there is the legacy of colonialism but that's probably a bit too complex for you. However when you are arguing about jewish banking conspiracies it's more than just sloppy reasoning on your behalf. But you seem to be talking to someone other than me because you are ascribing to me views which I do not hold, that is you are building a strawman and throwing buzzwords around you to try and cover your own flawed and fundamentally anti-semitic argument. I "probably" want to defend the status quo? Please. But if you think it's "the jews" not capitalism that is the problem I'll be happy to show you on your way out of here and back to scumfront.

[Avanti]

the jew

is a symbol

for humanity

both

as the victim

as the oppressor

fascinating

[Sasha]

No, first off I am speaking in actual factual terms, once I see someone bring up that term "conspiracy theory" when a person is speaking in factual terms it is clear we are dealing with a reactionary.

Ah there is so much base thinking here and such sorry attempts at ad-hominiens - "conspiracy theory" "anti-semitism"

Let us discuss your reactionary nature when you see criticism of Jews, concentrated wealth and the banking system . How did your conditioning on this subject come to be? Do you get upset when I mention Europeans have a disproportional concentration of wealth? How about when I talk about some Africans?

You probably never even considered the issue of race and class before which would not be surprising since you would see the status quo as the natural order of things and would seek to defend it but how ridiculous do you look talking about inequality of wealth while ignoring race? This is a problem of not only those who call themselves leftists but rightists too. When you talk about race and class people will seek to block it out for various reasons. That is a very real pro status quo position for capitalism.

Why don't you just try using lines like this - "it doesn't matter where they got their money they EARNED it" You will then be able to protect the status quo of capitalism much more consistently.

I think that that's quite enough of that, banned.

[GoddessCleoLover]

Liberation Theologist did seem to be in need of medication and therapy IMO.

[Sentinel]

Liberation Theologist did seem to be in need of medication and therapy IMO.

Perhaps, but we can't provide that on RevLeft. So I fear they must settle with a ban. :lol:

[GoddessCleoLover]

I look at banning Liberation Theologist as therapeutic for the rest of us.:D

[Yazman]

Keep the discussion on track guys - this isn't a thread for discussing LiberationTheologist's ban.

Furthermore, I just want to remind everybody that it doesn't matter what somebody's views are - you're not allowed to flame other users. Keep the discussion civil please.

So let's keep the rest of this discussion productive and on track.

[Rugged Collectivist]

Aren't there so many Jews in the banking industry because usury was banned by the catholic church? That's what I've always heard anyway.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I'm thinking of making a thread about the same guy's belief in some 9/11 conspiracy just to see if anybody is going to sit here and say 9/11 was an inside job.

[Sasha]

Aren't there so many Jews in the banking industry because usury was banned by the catholic church? That's what I've always heard anyway.

Yup. That and also Jews where banned from the traditional "guild" jobs so had not much choice to go either in banking & trade or only serve the own community. Which was very convienient because in times of crises the debtors could just organize a pogrom and wipe not only your debts but make a profit on plunder to boot.