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Anarchocommunaltoad
21st November 2012, 02:44
What the hell is going on? Is it really just an army revolt by people barely in the army for more a few years, the latest showdown between Hutus and Tutsi's or something with actual revolutionary potential (which i doubt).

Os Cangaceiros
21st November 2012, 02:53
Congo has been in a state of on-and-off war since the early 90's. It's "Africa's world war"

Anarchocommunaltoad
21st November 2012, 03:03
Congo has been in a state of on-and-off war since the early 90's. It's "Africa's world war"

I know but it seems oddly suspicious that the shit's going down a few months after the U.N began attempting to curb stomp Rwanda's odd system of government because of funding groups like the M-23 who are probably about to become America's excuse for ex[anding drones into central Africa

Os Cangaceiros
21st November 2012, 03:10
I had not heard of M23 before. But between Boko Haram in Nigeria, and al-Shabaab in Somalia, I'd say that the good ol' USA has all the excuses it needs. ;)

Oh yeah, and wasn't there that one dude somewhere in central Africa, I think his name rhymed with "bologne"? Man, who was that guy...it'll come to me eventually...

Let's Get Free
21st November 2012, 03:18
The civil war in the Congo has been long, brutal, and bloody. The present phase of the struggle for the wealth of the Congo was initiated by the Rwandan genocide of 1994. About 1 million Hutu refugees crossed into Kivu province and were settled in refugee camps. The Mobutu regime, with French support, was quite happy to let these Hutus reorganize themselves, rearm, and attack the new Rwandan state, a state which was, of course, vehemently opposed to French interests. The result of this was that Rwanda and Uganda gave support to the armed movement against Mobutu, led by a guy named Laurent Kabila. This support brought the end of the Mobutu regime and put Kabila into power in 1997.

In barely a year Kabila started arguing with his Ugandan and Rwandan backers and demanded that they withdraw from the DRC. The occupying forces of Uganda and Rwanda were, of course, funding themselves and their regimes by looting the mineral wealth and other resources such a timber and cattle from the areas they occupied. Kabila then allied his forces to the Hutu rebels in Kivu, as Mobutu had done before, to attack the Rwandan army, which started the so-called “Second Congo war” which went on from 1998 to 2003.

You see, the nation has a fabulous amount of raw materials which are essential for an enormous range of commodities. For example, they have 10% of the world's copper, 33% of the world's cobalt, and 80% of the world's known coltan. Not only have these resources never benefited the people in Congo, the very presence of the minerals have turned it into a battlefield since independence. Like when Patrice Lumumba was democratically elected, then CIA together with Belgian forces had him deposed and murdered.

So the war in Congo is not a senseless war as the media usually portrays it. It is an imperialist war for the looting of Africa’s resources and the genocidal mass murder of the people to force them to submit to imperialist violence, oppression, and exploitation. The world's modern electronic industry is largely based on the theft of the mineral coltan from the Congo, which is used in the manufacture of I phones, I pads, X boxes, laptops, and other computer devices. These mineral resources are stolen at gunpoint from Congo and they are blood resources.

Anarchocommunaltoad
21st November 2012, 03:26
I had not heard of M23 before. But between Boko Haram in Nigeria, and al-Shabaab in Somalia, I'd say that the good ol' USA has all the excuses it needs. ;)

Oh yeah, and wasn't there that one dude somewhere in central Africa, I think his name rhymed with "bologne"? Man, who was that guy...it'll come to me eventually...

The M23 are a tutsi composed faction.

Anarchocommunaltoad
21st November 2012, 04:56
Although Gladiator explains it best, here's another article
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/11/after-the-fall-of-goma-the-m23-conflicts-western-front/264935/

Workers-Control-Over-Prod
21st November 2012, 05:06
The Congo, one of the richest countries in the world with one of the poorest people in the world...

Guayaco
23rd November 2012, 05:08
The M23 are a tutsi composed faction.

The allegations that M23 is a Rwandan proxy seem to hold up to scrutiny. Tutsis are less than 1% of the Congolese population, whereas President Kagame of Rwanda was the head of a Tutsi guerrilla force in the 1990s.

Just 6 months ago, M23 was an organization of a few hundred defectors who were unhappy with the their integration and government compliance with the terms of the peace accords. The rapid success that the M23 has been enjoying (they are about to occupy Bukavu, a major city of almost a million people) just does not square with their narrow support base in the Congo. So either M23 is a proxy of Rwanda, or logistical difficulties have prevented the Congolese Army from launching a major operation to secure its eastern provinces.

Flying Purple People Eater
28th November 2012, 21:40
The civil war in the Congo has been long, brutal, and bloody. The present phase of the struggle for the wealth of the Congo was initiated by the Rwandan genocide of 1994.pb[ About 1 million Hutu refugees crossed into Kivu province and were settled in refugee camps. The Mobutu regime, with French support, was quite happy to let these Hutus reorganize themselves, rearm, and attack the new Rwandan state, a state which was, of course, vehemently opposed to French interests. The result of this was that Rwanda and Uganda gave support to the armed movement against Mobutu, led by a guy named Laurent Kabila. This support brought the end of the Mobutu regime and put Kabila into power in 1997. [/b]

In barely a year Kabila started arguing with his Ugandan and Rwandan backers and demanded that they withdraw from the DRC. The occupying forces of Uganda and Rwanda were, of course, funding themselves and their regimes by looting the mineral wealth and other resources such a timber and cattle from the areas they occupied. Kabila then allied his forces to the Hutu rebels in Kivu, as Mobutu had done before, to attack the Rwandan army, which started the so-called “Second Congo war” which went on from 1998 to 2003.

You see, the nation has a fabulous amount of raw materials which are essential for an enormous range of commodities. For example, they have 10% of the world's copper, 33% of the world's cobalt, and 80% of the world's known coltan. Not only have these resources never benefited the people in Congo, the very presence of the minerals have turned it into a battlefield since independence. Like when Patrice Lumumba was democratically elected, then CIA together with Belgian forces had him deposed and murdered.

So the war in Congo is not a senseless war as the media usually portrays it. It is an imperialist war for the looting of Africa’s resources and the genocidal mass murder of the people to force them to submit to imperialist violence, oppression, and exploitation. The world's modern electronic industry is largely based on the theft of the mineral coltan from the Congo, which is used in the manufacture of I phones, I pads, X boxes, laptops, and other computer devices. These mineral resources are stolen at gunpoint from Congo and they are blood resources.
Could you cite some sources for this? Not that I question your validity, as you seem to have a lot of knowledge on the subject, but it would be really good if I could share this with some people.