Technoshamanism

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

What the hell is it

edit: i read the wikipedia page on it but you can easily tell the guy who edited it was high when he posted.

[Yuppie Grinder]

inb4 avanti responds using no punctuation or capitalization

formatting her sentences

like this

because conventional sentence structure is part of the problem

technoshamanism is the answer

[the Left™]

What the hell is it

edit: i read the wikipedia page on it but you can easily tell the guy who edited it was high when he posted.

"It is proposed that this article be deleted because of the following concern:
Patent nonsense"-- from wikipedia

Technoshamanism-- something involving drugs. i like drugs

THEREFORE: i identify with technoshamanism

Q.E.D.

[hatzel]

Technoshamanism is pretty much just the latest way silly white dudes deny their racism by being racist...

[Comrade #138672]

Technoshamanism is pretty much just the latest way silly white dudes deny their racism by being racist...How is it racist? Just wondering.

[Avanti]

it's the way

for sages and lunatics to reach a higher state of being

to connect with the vortex of consciousness

and realise there is no individuality

all is just expressions of consciousness

all is just a flow of energy through matter

you are not your experiences

you are pure love

you are beautiful

you are strong

you are true

no matter what

conventional religion is hierarchy and suppression

there is no punishment

there is no pain

there is only forgiveness

there is only love

we should liberate ourselves

and dance around on the flower fields

but we can't, as long as the inner sense of grief is manifested in the external reality as the great state-corporate-financial cyber network known as Babylon

with technoshamanism, our bodies might be trapped in Babylon's matrix

but our minds will attain freedom to explore our internal realities

free from the pyramid eye of Babylon

we need to struggle to survive

but one day, the lost children will walk through the ruins of Babylon

and all dawns will rise

we'll build a galactic civilization

and rise up to solar heights

400 billion suns over humanity

an endless vast expanse

total liberty

total love

communism = anarchotechnoprimitivism

[hatzel]

How is it racist? Just wondering.

The '-shamanism' half - like the rest of this New Age bull, to be fair - is built upon exoticism and cultural appropriation within a white supremacist, Eurocentric paradigm. It oozes white privilege and is a pure expression thereof, acting to transform real-world non-Europeans into mere repositories for novel and trendy aesthetics for bored San Franciscans. Not to mention the fact that fetishising both actually existing so-called 'shamanic' societies and the technological structures that are currently ravaging them by driving resource extraction and environmental exploitation - all of which has an obvious human cost - reeks of...well, something, that's for sure...at the same time, however, one could argue that positing the concept of a technoshaman - somehow distinguishable from a 'vanilla' (i.e. non-techno) shaman - implies / reinforces the belief that these 'genuine' shamans are necessarily non-/pre-technological, and cannot coexist with technology without the intervention of the white dude sketching out this new image of a techno-savvy shaman; this has obvious implications in constructing an opposition between 'us' (who are supposedly capable of engaging with technology in a meaningful way) and 'them' (who are supposedly incapable of doing so, instead being hopelessly trapped in a timeless and unchanging atechnicity), playing directly into the very real (neo-)colonialist processes affecting these people/s.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The '-shamanism' half - like the rest of this New Age bull, to be fair - is built upon exoticism and cultural appropriation within a white supremacist, Eurocentric paradigm. It oozes white privilege and is a pure expression thereof, acting to transform real-world non-Europeans into mere repositories for novel and trendy aesthetics for bored San Franciscans.

Which "real-world non-Europeans" is it doing that to, then? Because I'm pretty sure it's not just Europeans that lack a tradition which might reasonably be called "shamanism".


Not to mention the fact that fetishising both actually existing so-called 'shamanic' societies and the technological structures that are currently ravaging them by driving resource extraction and environmental exploitation - all of which has an obvious human cost - reeks of...well, something, that's for sure... at the same time, however, one could argue that positing the concept of a technoshaman - somehow distinguishable from a 'vanilla' (i.e. non-techno) shaman - implies / reinforces the belief that these 'genuine' shamans are necessarily non-/pre-technological, and cannot coexist with technology without the intervention of the white dude sketching out this new image of a techno-savvy shaman; this has obvious implications in constructing an opposition between 'us' (who are supposedly capable of engaging with technology in a meaningful way) and 'them' (who are supposedly incapable of doing so, instead being hopelessly trapped in a timeless and unchanging atechnicity), playing directly into the very real (neo-)colonialist processes affecting these people/s.

How exactly does technoshamanism imply that traditional shamans are incapable of being tech savvy? Spirituality and philosophy are not zero-sum games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero%E2%80%93sum_game), with definite winners and losers, like in chess.

[Avanti]

the avanti is having brown skin the last time he saw.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

the avanti is having brown skin the last time he saw.

If I'm understanding this "cultural appropriation" shit correctly, then having brown skin doesn't matter. It seems to be more about people who have been born and raised in so-called "Western" societies adopting things from non-"Western" cultures in a tasteless and/or ignorant way.

[Avanti]

If I'm understanding this "cultural appropriation" shit correctly, then having brown skin doesn't matter. It seems to be more about people who have been born and raised in so-called "Western" societies adopting things from non-"Western" cultures in a tasteless and/or ignorant way.

once, all human societies were shamanist.

back in the golden age.

when our ancestors walked from the east african plains and spread throughout the world.

in egalitarian hunter-gatherer tribes.

who heralded every new dawn as a new beginning.

when the world was open and not boxed.

when everything was possible.

and we lived in balance.

it's not a matter of being anti-western or pro-western.

it's a matter of reconnecting with our roots, but looking forward to a new future.

[Comrade #138672]

the avanti is having brown skin the last time he saw.I believe that you can still be a racist against your own race. For example, I even see so-called ex-Muslims bashing other Muslims and propagating the idea that they are inferior.

I think that for racism to be effective, racists always need a few supporters of the race they are trying to oppress, because they are more likely to be believed when these people say that their own race is inferior.

[Sheepy]

Avanti, what the fuck is wrong with you? What the hell does any of this have to do with Communism? Hipster poetry isn't exactly the best way of portraying a message.

[Avanti]

Avanti, what the fuck is wrong with you? What the hell does any of this have to do with Communism? Hipster poetry isn't exactly the best way of portraying a message.

for everything to be right, everything needs to be wrong.

language is insufficient to portray messages.

it's a crude, primitive tool, killing the passion.

surreationality cannot be transmitted well through language.

i am working on you.

you are breaking apart.

to overthrow the system.

you need to overthrow the oppressor within you.

let the avanti free.

[Comrade #138672]

for everything to be right, everything needs to be wrong.

language is insufficient to portray messages.

it's a crude, primitive tool, killing the passion.

surreationality cannot be transmitted well through language.

i am working on you.

you are breaking apart.

to overthrow the system.

you need to overthrow the oppressor within you.

let the avanti free.You can't escape language. You're still using language to convey your anti-language ideas. It seems that you're scared of conforming. However, without conforming to some extent, you can't communicate effectively.

[Avanti]

i am communicating effectively

after just one day, people started a group both to honor and mock me

people are mentioning me all the time now

i am spreading

like a virus

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Interest isn't the same as agreement...

[Avanti]

the more violently you disagree

the more you are becoming a techno-anarchist

the immune system of your mind

imposed by years of indoctrination

is desperately attempting to stop my ideas from spreading

my best friends are my worst enemies

because the more they try to destroy neo-anarchism

the more they try to destroy avanti

the more they get infected

and soon the systems of oppression shackling their minds will collapse

soon, you'll join me, simon

and we can drill our way to heaven

with the mighty drill of the truth that can't be realised with words

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

I think Avanti is kind of like the new sunfarstar.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Avanti what if we're trapped in the matrix right now?_

[Avanti]

Avanti what if we're trapped in the matrix right now?_

we are

but the matrix is trapped inside your head

you need to let go

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

the more violently you disagree

the more you are becoming a techno-anarchist

the immune system of your mind

imposed by years of indoctrination

is desperately attempting to stop my ideas from spreading

Fundamentalist Christians say pretty much the same thing, but in different words. They accuse atheists like me of not really being atheists at all, that we secretly believe in God but don't want to admit it, that atheism is just a cover for rebellion against God.

Also, if we didn't want your ideas to spread, why are you still posting after having made over a hundred of them?

[Avanti]

because you are internally divided

a part of you want to let go

fundamentalist christianity is about locking the human heart inside a tiny box, projecting all hopes on a faint glimmer of light

i want to bring so much light to you

that it will be like oceans of light running down your eyes

you will scream

you will get mind orgasm after mind orgasm

you will laugh for yourself

and think how stupid you were before

and feel complete joy and bliss

and it is inevitable

there are billions of ways

you can make your own

[Grenzer]

Tbh I always saw shit about "cultural appropriate" to mostly be hypocritical bunk. In the context of shamanism, it's native americans complaining about how their spiritual traditions have been made a commodity and cheapened by white people. The main problem with this is that their criticism is coming from the standpoint of seeing their spirituality as a commodity whose value is compromised from the loss of their ethnic monopoly on it; in other words, they're being guilty of the same thing they're criticizing others of. Pretty much everything is a commodity under capitalism. As a materialist, the concept that certain people should have a monopoly on an idea just because of their ancestry seems dumb.

The irony is that Shamanism isn't really something that native americans have a monopoly on. The word Shamanism itself is derived from a Siberian language. Shamanism itself is pretty much the default spirituality of all pre-agricultural societies, and its been practiced all over the world, including Europe, Africa, Asia, and Australia; not just North and South America. True, New Age crap is pretty dumb, but it's worth pointing this out.

[Avanti]

technoshamanism is not a new form of new age spiritism

new age is very much the relic trading of the 20th century

shamanism is about experiencing surreality directly

technoshamanism is about experiencing surreality directly in a cyberpunk society

it's the religion of the future

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

i am communicating effectively

after just one day, people started a group both to honor and mock me

people are mentioning me all the time now

i am spreading

like a virus

Dear God no...NO!

Spread Avanti, spread throughout the skies, spread off into 4chan, where all girl posters are really guys

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Technoshamanism.. I don't know, but it probably sounds something like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK5RtsiDsf4)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

because you are internally divided

a part of you want to let go

fundamentalist christianity is about locking the human heart inside a tiny box, projecting all hopes on a faint glimmer of light

When you say "you", are you referring to me personally, or this site as a whole?

For the former, I reckon it's pretty common for people to have conflicting thoughts. We even have a word for it - ambivalence. Although I'm not sure how that's relevant, since I have no power or desire to see you banned.

For the latter, you haven't broken any of the rules that warrant you being loaded into the Ban-cannon (conscious and unrepentant racism, sexism etc), so far as I know.

[Avanti]

When you say "you", are you referring to me personally, or this site as a whole?

For the former, I reckon it's pretty common for people to have conflicting thoughts. We even have a word for it - ambivalence. Although I'm not sure how that's relevant, since I have no power or desire to see you banned.

For the latter, you haven't broken any of the rules that warrant you being loaded into the Ban-cannon (conscious and unrepentant racism, sexism etc), so far as I know.

i'm referring to myself, you personally, your site and the entire cosmos

and the door in my room

i am attacking on all levels of conciousness simultaneously

destroying the shackles which keep your minds grounded in the matrix of Babylon

subverting reality

blurring the border between reality and unreality, thus bringing forth the synthesis

surreality

pure communism is when the internal state of surreality is projected out externally

transforming the entire universe

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

It's not "my" site. I don't have any kind of claim, possession or ownership of it.

How can one attack consciousness when the very act and concept of "attack" is inextricably tied to agency?

[Avanti]

the avanti attacks consciousness

to liberate it

de-brainwashing

destruction of the Babylon within you

you can be a grey nobody

or you can be the hero of your own life

and your life will be your adventure

instead of a waste of time

remember

there are billions of opportunities

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

It's not "my" site. I don't have any kind of claim, possession or ownership of it.

How can one attack consciousness when the very act and concept of "attack" is inextricably tied to agency?

Are you seriously arguing with Avanti? I can barely even follow their posts.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Are you seriously arguing with Avanti? I can barely even follow their posts.

I'm taking the approach of either trying to read between the lines in order to discern and address what I believe to be their essential point, or I pick up on statements or declarations of theirs which I consider contentious.

I can't help but notice they change the subject a lot - I'm still not sure whether that's a consequence of disordered thinking or something else.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

because you are internally divided

a part of you want to let go

fundamentalist christianity is about locking the human heart inside a tiny box, projecting all hopes on a faint glimmer of light

i want to bring so much light to you

that it will be like oceans of light running down your eyes

you will scream

you will get mind orgasm after mind orgasm

you will laugh for yourself

and think how stupid you were before

and feel complete joy and bliss

and it is inevitable

there are billions of ways

you can make your own

Would you be willing to share what techniques work best for you? I've dabbled in (non-0techno) shamanism, read Eliade, Campbell, etc. I've read the Robert A Monroe books, tons of similar stuff. I may try binaural beats.

Anyway if you'd care to share what techniques are most effective.

There, I've just blown my rep as a serious materialist.

BTW There is an ICC member who sometimes posts here who has written a materialist interpretation of shamanism.

[Avanti]

you can ask in the neo-anarchist group

you are a member there

[Avanti]

I'm taking the approach of either trying to read between the lines in order to discern and address what I believe to be their essential point, or I pick up on statements or declarations of theirs which I consider contentious.

I can't help but notice they change the subject a lot - I'm still not sure whether that's a consequence of disordered thinking or something else.

there is only one subject

that is the subject

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

there is only one subject

that is the subject

That subject being... ?

[Avanti]

one.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

A lot of folks appropriate Shamanistic ideas for themselves. This isn't to be necessarily condemned - do we condemn the quarter of Koreans who have converted to Christianity or the African Americans who converted to a very unique and culturally distinct version of Islam? If religion comforts people in times of stress, then people will seek out the tradition which brings the most comfort, for whatever reason (from upbringing to later life conversion).

The problem isn't with people who adopt various religious views from other cultures, it's with people who monopolize the account of what that tradition is without the input of the original practitioners, and without the deeper intellectual content of that tradition. Trying to understand the viewpoint of an Amazonian "Shaman" is fine, as is trying to seriously develop those communities in a material sense, but going down just to do some DMT and party is pretty lame.


it's the way

for sages and lunatics to reach a higher state of being

to connect with the vortex of consciousness

and realise there is no individuality

all is just expressions of consciousness

all is just a flow of energy through matter

you are not your experiences

you are pure love

you are beautiful

you are strong

you are true

no matter what

conventional religion is hierarchy and suppression

there is no punishment

there is no pain

there is only forgiveness

there is only love

we should liberate ourselves

and dance around on the flower fields

but we can't, as long as the inner sense of grief is manifested in the external reality as the great state-corporate-financial cyber network known as Babylon

with technoshamanism, our bodies might be trapped in Babylon's matrix

but our minds will attain freedom to explore our internal realities

free from the pyramid eye of Babylon

we need to struggle to survive

but one day, the lost children will walk through the ruins of Babylon

and all dawns will rise

we'll build a galactic civilization

and rise up to solar heights

400 billion suns over humanity

an endless vast expanse

total liberty

total love

communism = anarchotechnoprimitivism

Have you ever looked into writing/producing/recording dub music? If you can rhyme that and put it to a good beat you'll make bank ... which I'm assuming you'll donate to various leftist causes because of course fuck capitalism

[Avanti]

amazonian shamanism has no answers for life in the concrete jungle

it cannot create myths applicable for the dumpster divers

for the squatters

for the hobos

for the lost children

we need a revelation

techno-shamanism incorporates the myth of Cyberpunk and the dream of liberation

into our reality

giving us a meaning and a direction

come and join the adventure

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

I'm taking the approach of either trying to read between the lines in order to discern and address what I believe to be their essential point, or I pick up on statements or declarations of theirs which I consider contentious.

I can't help but notice they change the subject a lot - I'm still not sure whether that's a consequence of disordered thinking or something else.


Well you were always the smart one here. I just didn't think most people took him seriously enough to argue.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

one.

I don't understand your meaning.

[Avanti]

we are all one.

but we feel a sense of alienation.

my goal.

is to make us feel as one again.

but first, we must be de-toxed.

otherwise we just believe we are free.

but we are still trapped by Babylon.

because Babylon is inside us.

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

I feel like I can rely Avanti for reputation now.