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Questionable
16th November 2012, 22:12
The economics department of the college I attend has recently posted on their blogsite this article about healthcare:



Scarcity exists. That is not a normative statement. It is a positive fact. At any given point in time people’s wants and desires exceed their ability to have those wants and desires fulfilled. Even if all individuals achieved a momentary state of perfect contentment, they would still become hungry by dinner. Scarcity has always existed, does exist, and will always exist in this world. Acknowledging that fact doesn’t make one mean, it makes one honest.
Goods and services don’t fall from heaven like manna. That’s both good and bad. On the one hand, if all of our wants and desires were automatically given to us, we would never have to show up for work. On the other hand, if pick-up trucks fell out of the sky like manna, they may land on people squishing them. Even when wealth grows on trees, unpicked apples don’t fill stomachs (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443294904578046661503934852.html?m od=ITP_pageone_1).
Virtually every economics class explains on day one that scarcity exists. The next thing usually taught is that nothing is free. Every action has consequences, both direct (If I pick an apple I can eat it) and indirect (the time I spend picking an apple is an hour I’m not picking an orange). Perhaps it is too much to hope that our elected politicians have successfully passed a single course in economics. Is it too much to ask that they understand but the first day of an economics class? Apparently it is.
It is campaign (silly) season where politicians fall over themselves to promise free stuff to people – from health care, welfare, and education to infrastructure, national defense, and farm supports. Scarcity, according to them, is caused by the public’s reluctance to vote themselves free stuff via the correct candidate. A vote for the other guy means a life of scarcity. A vote for them means a life without scarcity. I call BS (and I am called BS – my initials).
According to the Medicare and Social Security Trustees (https://blackboard.wku.edu/bbcswebdav/pid-2295265-dt-content-rid-8078814_2/courses/201230ECON37539072/Other%20Articles%20IX%20-%20Social%20Security%20and%20Medicare%20Solvency.p df), there is $63 trillion dollars of unfunded liability in Medicare and Social Security. That number is “only” that low because The Affordable Care Act already cut $50 Trillion of future liability from Medicare. The government didn’t actually become more solvent since that entire $50 Trillion in savings was used to provide more health care for other people, so we still owe the money. That amounts to $113 trillion (our national debt is only $16 trillion) worth of lies. These are big promises of free stuff made by politicians who have no ability (or even a plan) to pay for them.
A responsible presidential debate would entail two candidates expressing their plan to address $113 trillion worth of lies. That has yet to materialize. President Obama has done absolutely nothing (other than shuffling $50 trillion worth of promises for health care for the elderly to health care for younger people) to address needed entitlement reform. On the other side, Mitt Romney actively scolded President Obama in last week’s debate for “cutting” Medicare. Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dumber apparently believe that infinite amounts of health care fall like manna from heaven. (Watch out for falling syringes).
Everything, including health care, has to be rationed in a world of scarce resources and unlimited wants. The question is how best to do this. The two major options are by price or by bureaucratic fiat. Prices in a competitive economy are based on the marginal cost of producing one more unit of the good or service and the marginal benefit to someone willing and able to pay for the good or service. Prices don’t reflect one person’s costs or one person’s value of a benefit, but society’s collective costs and benefits as expressed by explicit (not hypothetical) actions. When I see a price for going to the doctor I know what I have to give up for a visit. I can then ration my own health care relative to other goods and services I desire. If I desire more health care, I consume fewer other goods and services.
If the government rations by fiat, they have to have bureaucrats institute thou shall or thou shall not rules. The 15 person panel set up by the Affordable Health Care Act is empowered to make such proclamations with the force of law. The law includes things like thou shalt cover contraception without copays. It will also inevitably include thou shalt not have certain medical treatments. Notice that rationing will exist whether or not the government intervenes in the health care market. The question is, who rations for whom? Do you want to ration for yourself based on your own wants and desires or do you want others to make those choices for you?
Rationing is a daily experience for everyone in every possible market. We even ration “essentials”. We ration food. Most people don’t spend $100 eating dinner out every night. We ration housing. Most people don’t live in 7,000 square foot houses. We ration clothing. Most people don’t own 100 pairs of shoes. Yes, some people undoubtedly do spend $100 on dinner from time to time. Some people do live in 7,000 square foot houses. Some people even own 100 pairs of shoes. Those who choose to have those things have had to forgo other things they could have purchased with the money it took to buy them. If food, clothing, and shelter are rationed, and they are, what makes people think that health care doesn’t have to be? Those who think that health care does not have to be rationed will eventually end up without food, clothing, or shelter.
The probability of death is 100%. No government action is going to change that. Everyone will die. Life-saving drugs and operations don’t exist. Life-extending drugs and operations do and they are often expensive which means society has to forgo large amounts of food, clothing, shelter, and fun stuff in order to provide life extending goods and services. At the end of your life do you want a. the freedom to ration your own health care or do you want b. a bureaucrat to ration it for you? Note: That multiple choice question doesn’t include c. none of the above.


I have zero involvement in the economics department, but I would like to issue a challenge to this article. I think the first step would be challenging the author's assertion that scarcity is a fact of life and we either need to ration healthcare via price or by bureaucracy. I want to point out that it is an institutional weakness of capitalism. Secondly, their assertion about the definition of price seems to be based on subjective reasoning that it is merely the collective desires of society. A good dose of the LTV should clear this up.


However, before I even begin, I'm pretty inexperienced in economics, but I'm looking to strengthen myself. Does anyone have any tips to provide? Any Marxist writings that deal with the subject?

Workers-Control-Over-Prod
16th November 2012, 23:07
The economics department of the college I attend has recently posted on their blogsite this article about healthcare:




I have zero involvement in the economics department, but I would like to issue a challenge to this article. I think the first step would be challenging the author's assertion that scarcity is a fact of life and we either need to ration healthcare via price or by bureaucracy. I want to point out that it is an institutional weakness of capitalism. Secondly, their assertion about the definition of price seems to be based on subjective reasoning that it is merely the collective desires of society. A good dose of the LTV should clear this up.


However, before I even begin, I'm pretty inexperienced in economics, but I'm looking to strengthen myself. Does anyone have any tips to provide? Any Marxist writings that deal with the subject?

The author is correct in pointing out that scarcity exists and hence a mechanism which reflects the Value (labor time) of commodities needs to exist to ration them. But, Capitalism produces an artificial scarcity in advanced countries besides the artificial underdevelopment of third world societies.

Until manual labor is abolished there will exist a form of "scarcity"; until the labor force that is currently needed to provide human's most basic material needs (1/3 of the advanced capitalist countries labor force are productive workers), is not morphed from manual to the non-manual labor force, the services sector / greater economy will be dependent and limited to the output and surplus of material production.

But under Capitalism the hours of work for most workers in the advanced countries are the same now as they were in 1945. The output of productive workers has increased since then over 200% in the USA and can not stop. Capital has to sell more in value each year than the year before or else it dies. Each year when new technological innovations are introduced to make workers more productive, a new consumer item is put on the market.*

All that labor could be available for the Service sector economy to fulfill non-productive needs, such as health care, education, natural and electronic science fields.

Of course, the lower stage of communism would still have to use a form of rationing, labor credits, until concretely all productive sectors have been automated completely.
In the US, the Agricultural sector employs less than 1% of the labor force, the reason labor was diminished to such an extent in agriculture is because society can only consume so much. The necessary Growth for Capital in the Agricultural sector came from the population/food demand growing, the people eating more calories and the small farmer/peasant class being stripped of their land by big Capital. But Capitalist Agriculture is now running into the natural limits of growth here, as the land can only give so much and advanced society cannot continue eating more calories.

Shortly put: so long live labor exists in production, the qualitative and quantitative progress for the fulfillment of human needs in the larger service economy will remain limited. The necessary growth of capitalist consumer society creates an artificial demand which is responsible for an illusory scarcity, through the manipulatory means which we are all aware of.

*I would like to note that as the productivity of productive workers is increased, the profitability of these enterprises fall, wage demands cannot be met, governments cut taxes, and the necessary increasing value of goods being produced need to be bought by workers (not only) with debt. These are the two contradictions that force economies into large systemic crises, Depressions.

Workers-Control-Over-Prod
16th November 2012, 23:19
If I desire more health care, I consume fewer other goods and services.

Here it becomes clearer. The author states that in Capitalism you face the choice of consuming or "desiring" more health care (I fucking hate the doctors..). This is however a blind statement and historically limited question. When the manipulatory Capitalist system crashes in the west and is abolished globally, there will not be a 'need'/demand for a sea of useless and countless consumer items. With this development at the destruction of Capitalism, when manual labor is abolished through automation and morphed into thinking labor, productivity in the service sectors will increase.

There will certainly need to be a rationing system to fairly manage this transition from Capitalism to Communism in which scarcity will still exist. But within at most a hundred years of the development of Communism, (seeing how robotic, fully automated production is a current objective reality) manual labor will have been completely diminished, worker productivity in the services sectors have increased as well, and the labor voucher/credit system of accounting under scarcity can be abolished.

cyu
18th November 2012, 22:42
Yeah, scarcity exists. At any given moment, there is only so much labor that can get around. What is the labor being used for? What is the labor being "rationed" for?

What plutocrats basically want is for 99% of the labor to serve the 1%. So yeah, scarcity exists. If 99% of the labor is producing for the 1%, you get really rich @$$holes living a life of luxury (and brainwashed by consumer advertising), while the 99% themselves have barely anything to go around.

That's capitalism in a nutshell.

Lynx
18th November 2012, 23:52
Yes, scarcity for 99%, free lunches for everyone else.

a) The amount of resources we choose to allocate to health care versus another need is an example of opportunity cost. We can make these decisions democratically, or at the behest of profit.

b) Rationing is not a market solution. The market distributes goods and services according to ability to pay. Rationing is based on need, and is implemented through policy.