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Workers-Control-Over-Prod
14th November 2012, 09:55
I would like to comment on the current political theatre in the USA about the "fiscal cliff". It is warned that 700 Billion dollars will automatically be cut and taxes raised if an agreement is not made by the Republicans and Democrats until January 1st.


Hours after Obama's electoral victory, the Rating Agency Fitch warns that "the household budget will not be a honeymoon for Obama". On Wednesday large sales were made on Wall Street made to pressure the US government and Congress to prevent such a scenario which would see automatic tax raises.

The Democrats have announced that they will make a "Grand Bargain" which should rather be called the "Big Betrayal" to the people of the United States (and further maybe even global economic stability) as Social cuts are on the table in the USA.

While Wall Street pressures with its sales, their bourgeois press are pulling the levers to instill apocalyptic fear into the people, building a tense situation to legitimize social cuts. The American people voted overwhelmingly for the more rhetorically social candidate Obama, who calls for higher taxes on the rich. Here is a prime example of how developed Private Ownership is a powerful weapon that is against the public interest, and thankfully public will in this case.
64% of US Voters said that they want to keep the Social Security, Medicare programs, and said that they want to lower the deficit through higher taxes on the rich, while only 17% were against higher taxes on the rich; hence the overwhelming majority of Americans are for a social solution to this crisis.

A lot of this overwhelming majority who are for higher taxes on the rich, voted for Obama who gives lip service to a social solution to the crisis. That means that a large portion of the people who went out to vote for the Democratic party candidate, expect a social solution to the crisis.

But of course, the two parties already made a deal on November 6th that saw an agreement on cutting 4 Billion dollars over the next ten years, and a further agreed upon plan that will see a tax "reform" that will benefit the rich and a "reform" of social programs that will hurt the poor.

Jimmie Higgins
14th November 2012, 13:27
Fight metaphore with metaphore:

"we're headed to a financial cliff!"

"well, who drove us there? Who picked the route and the vehicle? When workers clearly want to 'turn around' the Republicans think the best thing will be to jump the cliff while the Democrats arge that we all should get out and all carry the car to the bottom instead - either way the passengers will end up in a ditch".

Rugged Collectivist
14th November 2012, 13:56
Can someone explain to me what a fiscal cliff is and why I'm hearing about it so much?

Prof. Oblivion
14th November 2012, 14:11
Can someone explain to me what a fiscal cliff is and why I'm hearing about it so much?

Remember back a few months ago when the deficit was in the news every day, and when Moody's downgraded US debt, and it was this big deal to get something negotiated before the deadline otherwise the government would shut down?

Well essentially what they did back then was kick the can down the road, while also passing a rule that basically says "if you can't agree to make any kind of cuts by this date, then there will be automatic, indiscriminate across the board spending cuts and revenue hikes."

That automatic provision is the "fiscal cliff". If congress can't agree to any kind of deal, then that will take effect.

LiberationTheologist
15th November 2012, 01:14
Fight metaphore with metaphore:

"we're headed to a financial cliff!"

"well, who drove us there? Who picked the route and the vehicle? When workers clearly want to 'turn around' the Republicans think the best thing will be to jump the cliff while the Democrats arge that we all should get out and all carry the car to the bottom instead - either way the passengers will end up in a ditch".

This is pretty good rhetoric but it is a bit long. I'll go with - "well who drove us to there?" and probably say either "the capitalist war machine" or "the Democrat and Republican corporate war Party"

Or it might simply work to say - "Democrats and Republicans drove us to the fiscal cliff"

Or - "Well who drove us there? Democrats and Republicans"

LiberationTheologist
15th November 2012, 01:16
Can someone explain to me what a fiscal cliff is and why I'm hearing about it so much?

The war debt created by Republicans and Democrats.

Let's Get Free
15th November 2012, 01:24
I think if taxes are raised and spending cut in a time of sluggish economic growth, the economy will probably be pushed back into a full blown recession.

If the government both cuts spending, thus removing federal money from the markets, and raises taxes, which means it will be extracting private money from the market to put in the U.S. treasury, then the government will be further reducing potential for economic demand- twice.

Workers-Control-Over-Prod
24th November 2012, 18:13
Talking about the political and social power of Private Ownership, banks in Ecuador are trying to create a bank run and crisis in protest of higher capital taxes,

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